Should Tony Stewart Be Parked?

Newman doesn't have to hit one car for payback to Tony but he sure can impede the 4 car and make sure no SHR car wins the lottery.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
NASCAR let John Hunter Nemechek keep his win so, no, NASCAR shouldn't do anything about policing on track racing anymore. If they let that dirty, no good, cheap sh!t slide, anything goes IMO.
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I'm sick of hearing about Nemechek. It's time to move on.
 
I am starting think that maybe I have no idea what to think anymore, NASCAR is gonna do what they feel is best for the ratings.
 
It was a racing deal IMO, and of all the Cup drivers Newman is the guy getting mad about it?? The guy races everybody hard and then gets mad when they return the favour? Taking some low blows towards Tony after the fact wasn't cool either.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don't know, not going to speculate.

"Have at it boys" went out the window when NASCAR suspended Kyle Busch. They reaffirmed that with the Kenseth suspension.
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You may have an argument with the Kyle Busch suspension but the Kennseth suspension was necessary in order to maintain the integrity of the sport. You can't have cars 10 laps down wrecking the leader of the race and not suspend someone. They call that demo derby.

I don't remember if Carl Edwards or Brad K ever got suspended when they were throwing cars into the fences at Charlotte but those warranted suspension too. The problem is and has been two fold. 1. Nascar has been very inconsistent in their penalties, and 2. because of that the drivers have no idea how to retaliate properly anymore. You could add a 3rd one in there and say that we don't have enough short tracks on the schedule for drivers to properly retaliate on, if you know what I'm sayin'.
 
LouieLouie said:
I don't remember if Carl Edwards or Brad K ever got suspended when they were throwing cars into the fences at Charlotte but those warranted suspension too. '.
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Suspension ? They should have been tossed in jail . These recent incidents were kid stuff . Those guys tried to kill each other and half the field. I'm all for rubbing is racing , but that was bad.
 
Guys that want suspensions need to really think about what they're asking for here, they just might get it. Do you really want terrified-of-balloons Hoots to be in charge of flagging contact during a race? How in the world are you going to judge what "crosses the line" in time to make any sort of meaningful remedy? Traffic court takes a whole day to resolve.

Further, where do you set that line in the first place? Rubbing is racing, after all. Then if somehow you made it 100% clear where that line is you'd have drivers racing right up to it all the time knowing nothing would happen and there could be no retaliation. Any 'nice guy' drivers like Dale Jr. would be at an immediate disadvantage.
 
Acs said:
Nope. Policing "dirty" racing isn't the job of NASCAR. It should be handled by the drivers themselves on track or between the haulers.
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I agree. Newman should catch him between the haulers, sneak up on him and attack him from behind. That would teach him!!!
 
I figure if Tony does something grossly wrong during the chase NASCAR will park him, if they don't maybe a driver will.
 
Let me put it this way; Nice guys are always going to finish last. At least under the current system, the bully will also finish last.
 
LouieLouie said:
You may have an argument with the Kyle Busch suspension but the Kennseth suspension was necessary in order to maintain the integrity of the sport. You can't have cars 10 laps down wrecking the leader of the race and not suspend someone. They call that demo derby.

I don't remember if Carl Edwards or Brad K ever got suspended when they were throwing cars into the fences at Charlotte but those warranted suspension too. The problem is and has been two fold. 1. Nascar has been very inconsistent in their penalties, and 2. because of that the drivers have no idea how to retaliate properly anymore. You could add a 3rd one in there and say that we don't have enough short tracks on the schedule for drivers to properly retaliate on, if you know what I'm sayin'.
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The Kenseth suspension falls in line with what NASCAR didn't suspend Carl Edwards for.

Have at it is dead.
 
Acs said:
Guys that want suspensions need to really think about what they're asking for here, they just might get it. Do you really want terrified-of-balloons Hoots to be in charge of flagging contact during a race? How in the world are you going to judge what "crosses the line" in time to make any sort of meaningful remedy? Traffic court takes a whole day to resolve.

Further, where do you set that line in the first place? Rubbing is racing, after all. Then if somehow you made it 100% clear where that line is you'd have drivers racing right up to it all the time knowing nothing would happen and there could be no retaliation. Any 'nice guy' drivers like Dale Jr. would be at an immediate disadvantage.
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When the driver admits intention and it is showing a trend and it causes a big wreck behind them that wads up several cars that were trying to get into the chase then I think it warrants it. Nascar has taken drivers to the hauler and had a sit down with them for a long time.
 
oldgoat said:
When the driver admits intention and it is showing a trend and it causes a big wreck behind them that wads up several cars that were trying to get into the chase then I think it warrants it. Nascar has taken drivers to the hauler and had a sit down with them for a long time.
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A driver has to be stupid or about to retire to admit his intention . Yes drivers have admitted intention in the past , but would they do it if it meant suspension ?
 
I just watched a replay of the richmond wreck 10 times and I'd call that a race incident.
But the crash with Scott @ Darlington was definately Smoke's fault. It seems he really wanted to see Scott wrecking and he also risked that Scott was injured.
I don't think NASCAR would park a driver in his final season for a crash like this and I think it'd be a too hard penalty if a driver would be suspended for that.
Maybe a 30-point-penalty would be fair, Smoke won't make the 2nd Chase round anyway.
 
Point penalties don't have an impact during the 'regular season' on drivers who already have a win and are getting in the Chase. Once they hit the reset button, those penalties go away. Other than those like Buescher, fluke winners struggling to break the top 30, the rest of the Chase field doesn't care any more. Point penalties have no impact on making the Chase or starting 'seeding' in it, so wreck who you want.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The Kenseth suspension falls in line with what NASCAR didn't suspend Carl Edwards for.

Have at it is dead.
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Disagree...Logano was likely going to win that race and advance in the Chase, huge title implications.

Carl wrecked Brad with no implications on that race or the Chase.
 
donthaveanickname said:
I just watched a replay of the richmond wreck 10 times and I'd call that a race incident.
But the crash with Scott @ Darlington was definately Smoke's fault. It seems he really wanted to see Scott wrecking and he also risked that Scott was injured.
I don't think NASCAR would park a driver in his final season for a crash like this and I think it'd be a too hard penalty if a driver would be suspended for that.
Maybe a 30-point-penalty would be fair, Smoke won't make the 2nd Chase round anyway.
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Agree with this analysis.

If Brian Scott was on the Chase bubble, then yeah I could see why parking Tony might have some justification. Not for hard racing with Newman at Richmond.
 
Acs said:
Guys that want suspensions need to really think about what they're asking for here, they just might get it. Do you really want terrified-of-balloons Hoots to be in charge of flagging contact during a race? How in the world are you going to judge what "crosses the line" in time to make any sort of meaningful remedy? Traffic court takes a whole day to resolve.

Further, where do you set that line in the first place? Rubbing is racing, after all. Then if somehow you made it 100% clear where that line is you'd have drivers racing right up to it all the time knowing nothing would happen and there could be no retaliation. Any 'nice guy' drivers like Dale Jr. would be at an immediate disadvantage.
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Cam Newton got the crap beat out of him last Thursday in Denver and non of the hits caused any flags to fly. The Commissioner's office was made aware if it and penalties will be forthcoming likely a week or so after the fouls occurred. My point is if some driver has gone past his talent level or uses his car to take out another one the penalty does not have to be levied immediately and in fact may work better if it is done a day or so after the race ended.

The bottom line is some people want the drivers to police themselves and others want some rules established so drivers can't get bent out of shape and wipe out the guy they are mad at and maybe take others out with him.
 
donthaveanickname said:
I just watched a replay of the richmond wreck 10 times and I'd call that a race incident.
But the crash with Scott @ Darlington was definately Smoke's fault. It seems he really wanted to see Scott wrecking and he also risked that Scott was injured.
I don't think NASCAR would park a driver in his final season for a crash like this and I think it'd be a too hard penalty if a driver would be suspended for that.
Maybe a 30-point-penalty would be fair, Smoke won't make the 2nd Chase round anyway.
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It is only a safety issue when the card carrying safetyniks say it is. Wrecking another car deliberately is OK as is the predetermined wreck-fests at plate tracks. However tires rolling down pit road ARE dangerous unless it is at a track less than one mile and then it is alright. I could not make this stuff up.
 
LouieLouie said:
LOL "Boys, have at it!" will never die. It's like saying NASCAR is dead. It's one of the greatest catch phrases of all time.
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The catchphrase was symbolic of an era when NASCAR took a hands off approach when it came to policing on-track conduct. They've gone back on that in recent years.

I have mixed feelings about it too.

NASCAR lets pretty egregious things slide. They let Carl Edwards get away with wrecking Brad Keselowski twice in 2010 (both were bad crashes) and they let John Hunter Nemechek keep his win at Canada. Not sure they have any business policing anything after that.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The catchphrase was symbolic of an era when NASCAR took a hands off approach when it came to policing on-track conduct. They've gone back on that in recent years.

I have mixed feelings about it too.

NASCAR lets pretty egregious things slide. They let Carl Edwards get away with wrecking Brad Keselowski twice in 2010 (both were bad crashes) and they let John Hunter Nemechek keep his win at Canada. Not sure they have any business policing anything after that.
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I feel like you are lumping incidents together that aren't really related. Look at it from NASCARs side, the Carl Edwards wrecks were something NASCAR had never seen and they weren't sure how to deal with it. They put both on probation to settle things down and probably stepped overboard down the line because it seemed like they started sensoring everything after that.

The JHN wreck is a tough call because you are damned if you do or damned if you don't. I think they made the right call there. It was a dirty win but life moves on and there will be opportunities for retaliation down the road. The issue is controlling the severity of the retaliation. NASCAR obviously doesn't want anyone getting hurt, but they have already learned their lesson on sensoring drivers too much, i.e. they lost a lot of fans because things got boring. Sure they might lose some fans by not suspending JHN or taking away his win, but I think people like drama and they will come back to watch more of that rather than watching a driver give a vanilla interview after a race.

And the Kenseth wreck had nothing to do with someone getting hurt (i.e. Carl Edwards B.K wrecks), it just had to do with a car 10 laps down wrecking the leader of a race. If Joey weren't the leader of the race, I don't think Kenseth gets suspended. That is just my opinion though and we could play "what if" all day. With Kenseth being 10 laps down and wrecking the leader of the race, I think the suspension was warranted. Maybe not 2 races but something more than super secret double probation needed to be done.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
It is only a safety issue when the card carrying safetyniks say it is. Wrecking another car deliberately is OK as is the predetermined wreck-fests at plate tracks. However tires rolling down pit road ARE dangerous unless it is at a track less than one mile and then it is alright. I could not make this stuff up.
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No, you couldn't. Clearly, that doesn't prevent you from repeating it 10 times a day.

<gets a wave-around after every 5 reps>
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I remember Denny said he was going to spin BKez out the week before the next race and he did.
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Homestead, last Nationwide race of the year. I remember hearing Kyle Busch ask what the caution was for, learning it was for Denny spinning Kez, and wondering who had that lap in the betting pool.
 
aunty dive said:
I choose not to be labeled.

At every level, auto racing is inherently dangerous. Risk can only be mitigated. I support everything that's been done to that end.
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I think Nascar has done far more right than wrong when it comes to safety and the only real concerns I have are the plate races and on the other end when dubious cautions are called under the guise of safety.
 
Best part of 2015 was the Lugwano and Kenzez tango. That and seeing Gordon win after the pay-back. To make the chase worth watching, there so be at least one pay back per race. Seeing those racers try to punch each other after the race is kinda ,, well what word am I looking for here?
 
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