Snowball Derby

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MOEJOE

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This sounds like an excellent event to watch.

Does anybody have information on how I can watch this from my house?
 
Put your house on a truck and take it to the track?
 
Unless you go to the race, there's nowhere to "watch" it. SPEED, sorry, FOX Sports, doesn't televise short track races.
 
If it's broadcast, it won't be live. I recall Speed carrying it in the past, but delayed by several weeks. On the other hand, that could just be a senior moment.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If it's broadcast, it won't be live. I recall Speed carrying it in the past, but delayed by several weeks. On the other hand, that could just be a senior moment.
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Probably like 15 years ago, before SPEED decided the only racing they air is major league NASCAR racing.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Probably like 15 years ago, before SPEED decided the only racing they air is major league NASCAR racing.
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So the only racing they show is NASCAR? I guess that's the reason we never saw any F1 racing, or any WoO races, lucas Oil late model races, even the annual Syracuse 200 big block modified race? Oh wait, we saw all of those. Tape delayed, sure, but we did see them.
 
VaDirt said:
So the only racing they show is NASCAR? I guess that's the reason we never saw any F1 racing, or any WoO races, lucas Oil late model races, even the annual Syracuse 200 big block modified race? Oh wait, we saw all of those. Tape delayed, sure, but we did see them.
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F1, now on NBC. As for the other six races they air -- we'll be EXTREMELY lucky if we get those when FOX Sports 1 launches. I see more dirt late model races on NBC Sports Network in two weeks than I see on SPEED in an entire year.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
F1, now on NBC. As for the other six races they air -- we'll be EXTREMELY lucky if we get those when FOX Sports 1 launches. I see more dirt late model races on NBC Sports Network in two weeks than I see on SPEED in an entire year.
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If you say so. But then again, you are the expert. In you own mind,.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
F1, now on NBC. As for the other six races they air -- we'll be EXTREMELY lucky if we get those when FOX Sports 1 launches. I see more dirt late model races on NBC Sports Network in two weeks than I see on SPEED in an entire year.
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I can't predict what SPEED / New Fox Sports Network will show next year, but they've shown plenty of other series in the past. VaDirt forgot to mention most ARCA races, some Aussie V8 Supercars, and the occasional supporting K&N event.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I can't predict what SPEED / New Fox Sports Network will show next year, but they've shown plenty of other series in the past. VaDirt forgot to mention most ARCA races, some Aussie V8 Supercars, and the occasional supporting K&N event.
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There should be one CrossOver event with Supercar and NASCAR. But the Pencils would never get past their own faces.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
F1, now on NBC. As for the other six races they air -- we'll be EXTREMELY lucky if we get those when FOX Sports 1 launches. I see more dirt late model races on NBC Sports Network in two weeks than I see on SPEED in an entire year.
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MOEJOE said:
Hes actually right this time. I know, it happens from time to time
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I'm not sure. WoO World Finals, Syaracuse 200, several late model races, the entire F1 season (except the handful that were on Fox) including practice, qualifying (both live) and the F1 newsy shows were on Speed all year. As far as late model races, if you look at the Lucas Oil tv schedule, only 3 races were shown on NBC Sports. 10 were on Speed, 10 were on MavTV, and one was on CBS.
 
VaDirt said:
I'm not sure. WoO World Finals, Syaracuse 200, several late model races, the entire F1 season (except the handful that were on Fox) including practice, qualifying (both live) and the F1 newsy shows were on Speed all year. As far as late model races, if you look at the Lucas Oil tv schedule, only 3 races were shown on NBC Sports. 10 were on Speed, 10 were on MavTV, and one was on CBS.
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I was getting at he F1 part. Big sport, lots of fans worldwide. Yadayada
 
For the old timers, wasn't it at the Snowball Derby Mike Alexander got injured and never returned to racing? Just trying to test my old timers memory :rolleyes:
 
Whizzer said:
WOW! You are one classy Dude!
Got a little pent up anger because Jimmie didn't win championship #6?
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huh? Did I say something like "I hope Kyle Crashes and gets hurt"? NOPE. I sure didn't

I was thinking along the lines of why risk a cup career to drive in the derby.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I can't predict what SPEED / New Fox Sports Network will show next year, but they've shown plenty of other series in the past. VaDirt forgot to mention most ARCA races, some Aussie V8 Supercars, and the occasional supporting K&N event.
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ARCA will remain on FOX. I hope they put it on FOX Sports 1 and not the FUEL TV channel nobody gets.
 
Whizzer said:
For the old timers, wasn't it at the Snowball Derby Mike Alexander got injured and never returned to racing? Just trying to test my old timers memory :rolleyes:
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Your memory is good. He tried to keep racing after the Snowball injury in 1988, but resigned after Daytona 89 due to the injury. He tried to comeback driving for Bobby Allison in 1990, but was done after 7 races.

I remember him mostly from the short tracks in the 80s.
 
Greg said:
Your memory is good. He tried to keep racing after the Snowball injury in 1988, but resigned after Daytona 89 due to the injury. He tried to comeback driving for Bobby Allison in 1990, but was done after 7 races.

I remember him mostly from the short tracks in the 80s.
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And , do you have a picture of Mike driving the 84 car for todays countdown thread?
 
I keep seeing Robert Kubica wreck in a Rally car, ending his F1 career. Sad.
 
ted@economy said:
And , do you have a picture of Mike driving the 84 car for todays countdown thread?
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Don't have one, I will try to find one on jalopy or another site later. My favorite Alexander car was a red camaro, before they downsized them in the early 80s. It was just red with white lettering. From that moment red was my favorite car color. I had a 55 chevy then, I had it painted red afterwards.
 
MOEJOE said:
huh? Did I say something like "I hope Kyle Crashes and gets hurt"? NOPE. I sure didn't
I was thinking along the lines of why risk a cup career to drive in the derby.
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DAMN! And to think I missed your point completely! Who ever woulda thought?
 
MOEJOE said:
I was thinking along the lines of why risk a cup career to drive in the derby.
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Risk a cup career to drive in the derby? So your reasoning is that none of the cup drives should actually go out and enjoy themselves, catch some extra races when they're not fulfilling their corporate duties? No Busch in a LMSC, no Tony Stewart or Kasey Kahne in a sprint cat, nobody driving anything but Cup and Cup alone?
 
VaDirt said:
Risk a cup career to drive in the derby? So your reasoning is that none of the cup drives should actually go out and enjoy themselves, catch some extra races when they're not fulfilling their corporate duties? No Busch in a LMSC, no Tony Stewart or Kasey Kahne in a sprint cat, nobody driving anything but Cup and Cup alone?
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Pretty Much.

I think that if some company is willing to put 15 million or more and invest in a major advertising campaign that a driver is the center of, they should limit their exposure.

Kyle has the potential to make scruff with other drivers. No matter where he drives. What if one of these little scruffs ended his cup career? The 18 would get a new driver, but nobody with the skills kyle has. Not even close.

Is this fair to the owner and company that pay him millions to drive the car?

It could go any way you want depending on your point of view.

I started all my comments above to open a dialogue. That's all. My point of view doesn't mean jack chit to KYLE, MARS or JGR. They know what they are doing.

I just pointed to Robert Kubica and said "LOOK AT THIS".

Im not calling Kyle a moron. I know guys go mountain biking, and snowmobiling, and lots of stuff. But they aren't taking it to the limit all the time. Especially in a tiny little tin box that looks like if you crashed hard, you would end up a shredded piece of meat.

Once again, Im not Kyles life coach, I'm just a nascar fan with no racing to watch for 80 days.
 
MOEJOE said:
Pretty Much.

I think that if some company is willing to put 15 million or more and invest in a major advertising campaign that a driver is the center of, they should limit their exposure.

Kyle has the potential to make scruff with other drivers. No matter where he drives. What if one of these little scruffs ended his cup career? The 18 would get a new driver, but nobody with the skills kyle has. Not even close.

Is this fair to the owner and company that pay him millions to drive the car?

It could go any way you want depending on your point of view.

I started all my comments above to open a dialogue. That's all. My point of view doesn't mean jack chit to KYLE, MARS or JGR. They know what they are doing.

I just pointed to Robert Kubica and said "LOOK AT THIS".

Im not calling Kyle a moron. I know guys go mountain biking, and snowmobiling, and lots of stuff. But they aren't taking it to the limit all the time. Especially in a tiny little tin box that looks like if you crashed hard, you would end up a shredded piece of meat.

Once again, Im not Kyles life coach, I'm just a nascar fan with no racing to watch for 80 days.
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And if said sponsor can place that in their contract, fine. But if they don't, then said driver should have the ability to race as he wishes. There's always risk in racing, and there always will be. I'm more than happy to see these guys race at the Snowball Derby, the Chili Bowl, Williams Grove, or wherever else they desire, since it's in their blood, and that what they want to do.

Oh, and I think "shredded piece of meat" is a bit of stretch.
 
MOEJOE said:
Was it as scary as it looks on youtube?
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Nah, more fun than anything else, as soon as the wreck happened all of the drivers were getting out of the cars so we knew it was all good and started cheering.
 
SNOWBALL DERBY: Sunday morning is here and 37 teams have their cars lined up on pit road getting ready for the 45th running of the Snowball Derby. From pole sitter David Ragan to shotgun Steve Wallace, this field is loaded with talent.

Join Speed51 now as we talk to drivers, snap some pre-race pictures, and set the scene for today's race by opening our Trackside Now coverage presented by Panhandle Grading & Paving.

http://www.speed51.com/2012_Stories/Snowball_Derby/Trackside_Now_Sunday_12_2.html
 
I can't believe this isn't on one of the billion sports channels I have available to me. I just can't believe it.
 
The picks

http://www.speed51.com/2012_Stories/Snowball_Derby/Derby_Picks_11-26.html

Snowball Derby

Bob & Angie Dillner - There could be history made this weekend. If Ross Kenseth should win, he's going to be the first driver to win three of Super Late Model racing's biggest races in the same season - the All-American 400, the Winchester 400 and perhaps the Snowball Derby. Ross is on top of his game right now and has a ton of momentum that means a lot come Derby week.

Matt "Duke" Kentfield - Steve Wallace - Of all the Speed51.com staff, I was the only one who picked Chase Elliott to win last year, so there’s some pressure to pick a winner this time around. I know, people are quick to knock this guy based on his Nationwide Series statistics. But anyone who has ever seen Steve-O on a short track knows he’s a hell of a Late Model racer. He’s always fast, whether it’s a straight-rail Super Late Model or a Late Model Stock Car in the past few years. He’s a Snowball Derby winner. He and his longtime crew chief Blake Bainbridge have put a lot of time and effort into a brand-new car to take down to Pensacola and it would not surprise me at all if Wallace becomes a two-time Snowball winner.

Elgin "Stat Boy" Traylor - Kyle Busch - It amazes me that this guy didn't get more votes. When Kyle shows up for a Late Model race he is the man to beat. 2012 has been an awful season for the NASCAR star and it would not shock me if he won his second Snowball Derby come Sunday.

Ryan McCollough- Bubba Pollard - Yea, I know it is the easy way out, but I have had the chance to see every Blizzard race this year and no one was as consistent as Pollard. The 100 lappers at Five Flags are vastly different from the Derby, but Pollard's team has shown they can knock out live pit stops as well, with top fives in all of the "majors" this season. The 26 is always fast down on the Gulf Coast and i think this year Bubba will finally hoist the Tom Dawson Trophy.

Bruce Nuttleman - Ross Kenseth - He's won his share of big races this year and is poised to win the biggest race of the year.

Matt Prieur - Mike Garvey - He's long overdue for a win in the most prestigious short track race in the country. Now he's somewhat of a hometown favorite driving for Tracy Goodson and he's had a fantastic 2012 racing season after picking up the Track Championship in the Pro Late Models division. He's a crafty veteran who knows what it will take to score the win in the Snowball Derby and after many seasons of coming close, leading laps, and being in contention, this season is the year that Garvey puts it all together and enjoys the accolades of winning the Snowball Derby.

Mark Keeler - Jeff Choquette - Reason = Redemption! Choquette came so close last year and he definitely has the talent and equipment to get it done. A think another year "wiser" and probably wants it more this year than last after being so dominant last year. I wasn't there, but from listening to your coverage it sure sounded like he had the car to beat. Plus who knows how many more SLM races he has left as he is venturing into the Truck scene more, and with success.

Adam Mackey - DJ VanderLey - He came close to winning last year and I think he will return and win the whole thing this year. Coming that close to winning is just pure motivation.

Tim Quiveryn - Jeff Choquette - Team pulled out a dominant piece for the last Blizzard race and walked away with the victory there. By running on select SLM shows this year, this team has truly focused on getting the car ready for the big show. Choquette is definitely a talent as well and a Derby win would cement a legacy as one of the best short track drivers of his generation.

Kevin Ramsell - Ross Kenseth - Guy is on a roll winning the big events this year. Snowball will be the icing on the cake.

Mike Twist - Casey Smith - The safe pick for the Derby would be Kyle Busch. He's got the best car, the most talent and this isn't exactly a fuel mileage race. But picking Rowdy would be too easy. Landon Cassill could be the forgotten Cup driver to score a surprise victory and Jeff Fultz has the experience and the will to get the job done. Both would be worthy picks. But when it comes down to it, I'm going with another hard luck driver who knows his way around Five Flags Speedway to get the big victory - that would be Texan Casey Smith. A victory for this underdog driver would be a feel good story indeed.

Jamie Williams - Daniel Hemric - he is smooth and stays out of trouble.

Snowflake 100

Bob Dillner & Angie Dillner - Kyle Benjamin - A winner and a champion in Super and Pro Late Model racing this year, Kyle Benjamin could be the biggest threat to win the Snowflake 100. This 15-year-old has shown a ton of maturity this season and has more promise at his young age than may other teenage racers that have come through the ranks in recent seasons. Plus with short track legend Freddie Query calling the shots, Benjamin could pick up another huge win Saturday night at Five Flags.

Matt "Duke" Kentfield - Kyle Benjamin - This was a tough one. I had to use a tiebreaker formula. My choice came down to either Benjamin, who was a Speedweeks Super Late Model champion and a winner on the JEGS Tour and CRA this year, and 2011 CRA winner Kenzie Ruston, who happens to be driving the same Augie Grill car that won last year’s Snowflake 100. The tiebreaker came down to who has had the better 2012 season overall, and that goes to Benjamin. I think either driver could win, but KB71 could pull off a pretty cool finish to a season full of victories throughout Midwest and Southeast.

Elgin "Stat Boy" Traylor - Anderson Bowen - It's time to think outside the box and a hot young rookie is the best pick. No one planned on Ryan Crane, Brandon Carlson or Hunter Robbins landing in victory lane so it's only fitting that the "favorites" get beat out by an upstart.

Ryan McCollough - Mike Garvey - Garvey and the entire Tracy Goodson Racing team have been the most consistent Pro Late Model team in the Deep South in 2012. It didn't matter what track the team went to, they were up front. Garvey already snatched up the Allen Turner Hyundai PLM title at Five Flags, and i believe he is the man to beat on Saturday night.

Bruce Nuttleman - Kyle Benjamin - This kid is very talented.

Matt Prieur - Erik Jones - It's been a year of learning to say the least for the Byron, Michigan driver after running in 10 events for Venturini Motorsports in the ARCA Racing Series Presented by Menards. He's also made limited appearances in the ARCA/CRA Super Series as well as the JEGS/CRA All-Stars Tour Presented by Chevrolet Performance where he was the 2011 Champion. Amazingly he's gone winless in 2012 but now that he's reunited with Crew Chief Rich Lushes, expect Jones to pull into victory lane after winning the Snowflake 100 and to also be in contention for the win in the 45th annual Snowball Derby as well.
Mark Keeler - Daniel Hemric - After watching him follow Chase from the back of the pack to the front in 2010 he certainly knows how to get around that track and how to save his tires. Honestly, I would almost pick him to win any race he enters, at any track, at this point. He certainly is a contender everywhere he goes. The kid can flat drive!

Adam Mackey - Bubba Pollard - He's been strong and his Pro Late Model effort will land him in victory lane.

Tim Quiveryn - Chase Elliott - It's Chase Elliott. At Five Flags Speedway. Do I need to say more? He may not win as this race in particular has a wild side that eliminates a few of the best drivers to wrecks or flats. But it's not like he's going to ride around 7th or 10th or so. He'll be a factor for sure.

Kevin Ramsell - Augie Grill - Chase Elliott and Kyle Benjamin are also entered but Augie knows how to get around that place.

Mike Twist - Austin Theriault - On paper, it is hard to bet against Kyle Benjamin, Augie Grill, Chase Elliott or D.J. VanderLey to win the Snowflake 100, but the race isn't run on paper and I hate making easy picks. So I'm going with somewhat of a dark horse. He's the driver of the Brad Keselowski-owned Pro Late Model and he has posted solid finishes in big races from SpeedFest to the Oxford 250 this year. Now it's time for Austin Theriault to go beyond just being a consistent threat to being the big winner of a major short track event. He's my pick to win the Snowflake 100.

Jamie Williams - Chase Elliott - Has a lot of experience and a great team.
 
Not much love for Chase even though he won last night starts in the top 5 today, while Kenseth starts 25th
 
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