So I have to ask this...

BobbyFord said:
...also, it was pretty much proven true when Matt Kenseth won 7 races with a new team and subsequently ran for the title.
Chemistry happens. ;)
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But the chemistry went to hell when they needed it the most, it might not ever return. A strange animal that chemistry can be, very unpredictable :idunno:
 
Wrangler1 said:
This is just how sports are... wait til 10-15 years after he retires I am willing to bet there will be a lot of praise for ole' JJ.
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I hated him for a while but mostly because of the people that taught me about the sport. Once I started to learn for myself I started to respect him. I still don't like seeing him win though. :)
 
BobbyFord said:
Matt won 7 races, blew a few engines and lost the Cup Championship by 19 points. When exactly did the chemistry go to hell? :confused:
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Phoenix fall race, he lost the championship at that race. The whole team fell apart that day, looked like bad chemistry to me
 
He wouldn't be as good without his team or chad. Just like Jeff Gordon has gone downhill since his glory days with Ray. That's just the way it is. The best driver isn't always gonna win, it's the best driver, cc, owner, team, etc combination that will win. It just so happens that the JJ-chad-Hendrick team has been the best for the better part of the last 10 years. And nobody likes it when their driver is getting spanked by another.
 
reck said:
You and dsquad are pretty decent.
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Aww you're too kind ;)

For real though, I hate when people think that JJ should get treated like royalty, or when Jimmie himself whines on the radio about how others race him hard. He's good, but that doesn't mean his **** don't stank.

Try going to jimmie's Facebook page after he gets wrecked or blows a tire or something. Thousands of people will be there bitching about how NASCAR hates jimmie and the system is rigged against him or how the guy who wrecked him should be suspended for the year. It's more annoying than his detractors bitching about him winning.
 
Kyle18fan said:
I loved that series, did you get to watch all of them ?
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reck said:
Man, who gave you permission to use my Spurs? :eek::p

A better team would be the Lakers. They win most of the time and people hate it.

San Antonio is more like the underdog that actually competes and wins a championship every few years.
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Oh yeah, I forgot you were a Spurs fan.

I figured the mid '90s-early 2000s Spurs were a more accurate comparison than the Lakers because they had the same no-frills, businesslike mentality that Jimmie and the 48 crew have, and they pretty much always did everything right. The Lakers didn't necessarily do everything right all the time - they just spent the most money. I also remember hearing a lot of Spurs haters complaining that the team and Tim Duncan were boring and vanilla, just like everyone says about Jimmie. In contrast, the Lakers were always the Showtime team.

And for the record, I like Jimmie Johnson. I hate it when people say he's boring, he's this, he's that. Eff y'all. He's a dude driving a race car. That's his job, and he does it very well. He doesn't have to go out there bussin' heads like Harvick, Stewart, and Kurt. He doesn't have to stir the pot like Kyle or Brad. He doesn't have to step in front of the camera telling a bunch of jokes like Clint or make a complete fool out of himself like Mikey. Dude's an assassin behind the wheel, like Kenseth. He gets in the car, minds his own business, stays out of trouble, and does his job. There's nothing wrong with that.
 
reck said:
Man, who gave you permission to use my Spurs? :eek::p

A better team would be the Lakers. They win most of the time and people hate it.

San Antonio is more like the underdog that actually competes and wins a championship every few years.
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I wouldn't call the spurs underdogs, they're in contention every single year. They're like the patriots of the nba, model of consistency and always there at the end. Celtics or lakers would be Jimmie Johnson, or the big 3 in Miami (Go Heat)
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Oh yeah, I forgot you were a Spurs fan.

I figured the mid '90s-early 2000s Spurs were a more accurate comparison than the Lakers because they had the same no-frills, businesslike mentality that Jimmie and the 48 crew have, and they pretty much always did everything right. The Lakers didn't necessarily do everything right all the time - they just spent the most money. I also remember hearing a lot of Spurs haters complaining that the team and Tim Duncan were boring and vanilla, just like everyone says about Jimmie. In contrast, the Lakers were always the Showtime team.

And for the record, I like Jimmie Johnson. I hate it when people say he's boring, he's this, he's that. Eff y'all. He's a dude driving a race car. That's his job, and he does it very well. He doesn't have to go out there bussin' heads like Harvick, Stewart, and Kurt. He doesn't have to stir the pot like Kyle or Brad. He doesn't have to step in front of the camera telling a bunch of jokes like Clint or make a complete fool out of himself like Mikey. Dude's an assassin behind the wheel, like Kenseth. He gets in the car, minds his own business, stays out of trouble, and does his job. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Good points all throughout this post.
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Agreed with all you've said.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
It's pretty simple really. Sports fans don't like to see their team lose. Especially to the same team for the better part of a decade. That's the main thing. The timing of the chase and fans' opinions on it coupled with a sudden streak of championships by one person when their driver "would have won the champion" this year or that year under the old system will cause fans to come up any reason to discredit the dominance of that team, therefore making their drivers' loss not seem so bad. You also need to remember the fact that the 48 team has been caught "cheating" over 10 times in that time frame. So you've got a bunch of angry race fans looking for anything they can to discredit the 48 right after a huge change in the points system that they all hate and then they get caught cheating so many times... it's ammunition for these angry fans. "He only did this because of the chase.. Jeff Gordon would have won this year and Carl Edwards would have won this year and bla bla bla bla bla. He's a cheater anyway, probably has a trick engine".... Oh and let's not forget that he works for the same motorsports power house that brought in wonder boy about 10 years earlier to dethrone Dale Earnhardt. The same team that is accused of having NASCAR in their pocket.

So you've got the people that are Dale Earnhardt fans that may not like Hendrick because of Jeff Gordon and Hendricks continued dominance with Jimmie Johnson.

Then you've got the Jeff Gordon fans that don't like him for the same reasons.

You've got the people that hate the chase and think it's a scam and he doesn't deserve the championships.

Then there's the "He's a dirty rotten cheater!" crowd.

Then there's the "Hendrick has NASCAR in their pocket" people.

Oh! ...and don't forget Carl Edwards, Jeff Gordon, Mark Martin, Denny Hamlin and Matt Kenseth fans :D


...and I just don't like him because he's boring. I can also admit that I just don't like him because he just wins too many damn races.... like I said no one likes seeing their driver lose... especially to the same guy over and over.
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Same with any sport. No body likes to see dominance week in week out by the same team. I remember when the niners and cowboys dominated the grid iron. I hated those teams..save for Joe cool...but it sucked to always know who was going to win--especially if you were a fan of the OTHER team that was playing. The dominant team got the press, got the respect, etc and your team got nothing. Of late its the patriots and Billi-cheat (sorry pats fans) Baseball has its evil empire of the yankees.

Jimmie is seen as a dominant force and he has his haters for that like people have mentioned in this thread. Jimmie is boring personality wise, but thats what Lowes wants--they dont want a Outlaw (sorry Kurt) personality that is gonna go off wrecking people. Danica did was what her sponsor wanted too-at first they wanted to be edgy and sexy now they want it toned down--luckily this matches her growing maturity. Moreover, what Jimmie lacks in the personality arena he makes up for on the track. He is just competitive week in week out.

Sometimes I think NASCAR likes having its Jimmie Johnsons in the ranks. Fans love to have a driver to hate as much as to cheer for. As much as I admire and respect Dale SR for what he did I did not like him much when he was putting Rusty into the wall. But damn, that man could wheel a car. I got the feeling he could will a car to victory lane, and I liked that. There was no quit in SR and there is none in Jimmie either.
 
DanicaFreak said:
Sometimes I think NASCAR likes having its Jimmie Johnsons in the ranks. Fans love to have a driver to hate as much as to cheer for. As much as I admire and respect Dale SR for what he did I did not like him much when he was putting Rusty into the wall. But damn, that man could wheel a car. I got the feeling he could will a car to victory lane, and I liked that. There was no quit in SR and there is none in Jimmie either.
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It's kind of like how no one like's cup guys in the lower series... except the drivers. lol
 
SpeedPagan said:
What is with this sport's fan trying to diminish Johnson's talent and accomplishment? I mean here is a guy that won five championship in a row, won a sixth last year, consistently runs in the top 10 weekend in and weekend out. Yet, all I ever hear is "Oh if it wasn't for Chad he'd be a mid-packer." or "Oh, he's only the best because of the rest of his team." There's also the ever favorite "Oh if it wasn't for The Chase, he'd only have X amount of Championship." Sometimes the phrase "Welfare System" is thrown in.

What...what is this fandom's desire to diminish a man's talent and accomplishment? I mean granted he can be a bit boring and once in awhile I'd like to see him get up into another driver's face. But ******* y'all, this is a guy who has a legitimate chance of winning 8 or more Championship before he retires and the haters think he's no better than Danica Patrick.

A driver with Johnson's talent and accomplishment only come around once in a generation, just like Hale bopp comet.
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Pretty sure it's because many fans are dicks. Really don't have another reason.
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
That was proven wrong in 2010 when Chad FIRED the ENTIRE pit crew and replaced them with the crew from the #24...JJ still won the championship that year....
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That was the year Chad held up the post it that said, "Our TEAM won!" I don't want to be on your "team".
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
You need thicker skin. Try being a Jr. fan for a day. I read the mindless dribble that spews from many haters about my driver on almost a daily basis. It is what it is I guess. I'm not sure where it comes from. My guess is jealousy or class envy of some sort. What they say goes a long way in stating something about themselves more than the drivers we root for.
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Boo hoo freakin' hoo! Seriously? Pull for Kyle Busch for a day and see what it's like. Seriously? You are feeling sorry for yourself for the crap Jr. takes? SM--FREAKIN'--H!
 
Revman said:
Boo hoo freakin' hoo! Seriously? Pull for Kyle Busch for a day and see what it's like. Seriously? You are feeling sorry for yourself for the crap Jr. takes? SM--FREAKIN'--H!
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That's not the vibe I got from dp's post at all. He sounded like he was just stating a fact. Junior and his fans do take a lot of crap, some of which is warranted and some of which is not. The same goes for Kyle and his fans. I don't see a need to turn it into some kind of competition about who has it the worst as a fan.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
That's not the vibe I got from dp's post at all. He sounded like he was just stating a fact. Junior and his fans do take a lot of crap, some of which is warranted and some of which is not. The same goes for Kyle and his fans. I don't see a need to turn it into some kind of competition about who has it the worst as a fan.
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Someone gets it. :cool:
 
Mr. Gregory said:
And for the record, I like Jimmie Johnson. I hate it when people say he's boring, he's this, he's that. Eff y'all. He's a dude driving a race car. That's his job, and he does it very well. He doesn't have to go out there bussin' heads like Harvick, Stewart, and Kurt. He doesn't have to stir the pot like Kyle or Brad. He doesn't have to step in front of the camera telling a bunch of jokes like Clint or make a complete fool out of himself like Mikey. Dude's an assassin behind the wheel, like Kenseth. He gets in the car, minds his own business, stays out of trouble, and does his job. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Well said. :cheers:
 
Revman said:
That was the year Chad held up the post it that said, "Our TEAM won!" I don't want to be on your "team".
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It's not like they went out and bought a crew from RCR. They did an internal job transfer of sorts. One team wasn't performing as well as they needed to, so they switched them out for a team that could get the job done. It was the right move for the good of the entire Hendrick organization.

NASCAR is a professional sport; Chad's not gonna get off the box and pat the crew on the back after a series of bad pit stops when fighting for a championship. Gotta get the job done, or you will be replaced. It's no different than any other sport.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Oh yeah, I forgot you were a Spurs fan.

I figured the mid '90s-early 2000s Spurs were a more accurate comparison than the Lakers because they had the same no-frills, businesslike mentality that Jimmie and the 48 crew have, and they pretty much always did everything right. The Lakers didn't necessarily do everything right all the time - they just spent the most money. I also remember hearing a lot of Spurs haters complaining that the team and Tim Duncan were boring and vanilla, just like everyone says about Jimmie. In contrast, the Lakers were always the Showtime team.

And for the record, I like Jimmie Johnson. I hate it when people say he's boring, he's this, he's that. Eff y'all. He's a dude driving a race car. That's his job, and he does it very well. He doesn't have to go out there bussin' heads like Harvick, Stewart, and Kurt. He doesn't have to stir the pot like Kyle or Brad. He doesn't have to step in front of the camera telling a bunch of jokes like Clint or make a complete fool out of himself like Mikey. Dude's an assassin behind the wheel, like Kenseth. He gets in the car, minds his own business, stays out of trouble, and does his job. There's nothing wrong with that.
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BUT HE HAS NO PERSONALITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY :biggrin:
 
I kind of like Jimmie, heck, he even went to the same High School I was kicked out of. It's sort of like Old Man E, he was great in his time but his fans sucked hind-end and ruined it for the pure race fan.
 
Personality? I don't give a rats ass about that as it's not like I'm going to be hanging out with my favorite Nascar driver aytime soon.

What the hell do I care what he eats for breakfast or named his dog...I want to see some racing! :D
 
Mr. Gregory said:
That's not the vibe I got from dp's post at all. He sounded like he was just stating a fact. Junior and his fans do take a lot of crap, some of which is warranted and some of which is not. The same goes for Kyle and his fans. I don't see a need to turn it into some kind of competition about who has it the worst as a fan.
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Now, I just need to make sure we are talking about the same Jr. The one that has won a million Most Popular Driver Awards? Right? The one who gets a standing ovation every time he takes the lead? Right? You might be referring to the fact that, on occasion, a media type might have pointed out that he hadn't won in a couple of years prior to the 500. Is that the "crap" you are talking about? I have no problem with Jr. at all, but for anybody to suggest that he takes crap, I would suggest you take another look. That is outrageous! BTW--Not a competition about who has it worst.....I don't give a rat's ass if somebody wants to give me the bird for who I root for.....apparently Jr. fans are more sensitive.
 
DSquad48 said:
It's not like they went out and bought a crew from RCR. They did an internal job transfer of sorts. One team wasn't performing as well as they needed to, so they switched them out for a team that could get the job done. It was the right move for the good of the entire Hendrick organization.

NASCAR is a professional sport; Chad's not gonna get off the box and pat the crew on the back after a series of bad pit stops when fighting for a championship. Gotta get the job done, or you will be replaced. It's no different than any other sport.
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BS. Chad took crap for doing it and was justifying his move. That's a hell of a way to run the ship with your guys constantly looking over their shoulders. Who is gonna replace Chad's ass when he screws up? Jimmie?
 
Damn Revman.................. I can only assume that the Easter bunny didnt treat you too well this year :D
I have plenty of Skittles, I will share
 
Kyle18fan said:
Damn Revman.................. I can only assume that the Easter bunny didnt treat you too well this year :D
I have plenty of Skittles, I will share
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Got my Kyle Busch on. Happy when I'm just a touched pissed. It's how we roll. Thanks on the Skittles. Peanunt M&M's for dinner tonight!
 
Revman said:
Got my Kyle Busch on. Happy when I'm just a touched pissed. It's how we roll. Thanks on the Skittles. Peanunt M&M's for dinner tonight!
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Oh I get it, you are trying to revive the "old Kyle" persona. I like it, keep up the good work and dont forget the old "double bird" salute :D
 
Kyle18fan said:
Oh I get it, you are trying to revive the "old Kyle" persona. I like it, keep up the good work and dont forget the old "double bird" salute :D
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Damn straight. You know I love that "version" of Kyle. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a tad grumpy today. The ****** Easter Bunny showed up at my house, painted red with a "4" on him, dropped on a half rack of Bud, flipped me off, and told me that I could kiss his ass because I drive a Toyota and would never be able to catch him. I'm not taking that **** from that little ******. Happy Easter Kyle18!
 
For the most part, people seem to hate people/teams that win all the time. This became a particular problem in a sport where the most popular rarely wins. I think the JJ "curse" could really have fell on just about anyone, if they had rattled off five championships in a row. People who says "JJ sucks", usually don't have anything to base it off of....
 
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