So what are your thoughts on Toyota this year?

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MortTheBeast

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I use to be a huge Mark Martin fan back in the day until he opted to retire and then decided my new driver to follow was Matt Kenseth. My one huge complaint all last year, was the fact that Toyota just didn't have what it took to keep up with Ford and Chevy. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Toyota only had 4 wins the entire 2014 season... which in my opinion is beyond pathetic.

Anyway... I have been contemplating switching drivers with a preference to someone in a Chevy, but just not sure if I want too and if so who I would pick at this point. If Chase Elliott was coming to Sprint Cup full time this year, I think I would jump on him in a heartbeat, cause I think he is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

One big question I have and maybe those with a knowledge of cars, is if the new change in horsepower will help or hurt the Toyota or will it all just even out and be the same as last season?
 
In fact they only had 2 wins last year which is awful but to get to the point, I think the Toyotas will be better this year. I think the horsepower will help them, but they are still not as good as the Penske Fords or the Chevys, but they should be able to get a couple more wins this year than they did last year
 
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Mark is not really retired. And are you changing because Toyota sucked last year? C'mon..

Outside of Gibbs and MWR, the other toyota teams will be mediocre to average at best. It's harder for them to be good collectively when the organizations themselves dont work together as well as Chevy does, particularly Hendrick with Hass and so on. (There's a thread about this subject here)

I do think Carl will do something similar to what Kenseth did when he moved. He'll probably win 4 or so races. You will see a vast improvement from last year when he was with Roush.
 
I think there will be some improvement in 2015. I'm interested in seeing what effect the new rules package will have on their performance, and I think Carl coming over is big too. He overachieved in Roush's stuff last year, hopefully he'll have a great year at JGR in '15.
 
Things will improve if the handling issues have been sorted out, if not they will continue to suck for another season, horsepower wont help an evil handling machine nor will lack of it
 
I think Edwards and Grubb will be tough new and fresh out if the box. I could see them winning the championship
 
I think Edwards and Grubb will be tough new and fresh out if the box. I could see them winning the championship
It's very possible that Carl will pull off a Harvick this year.
 
I don't think Carl Edwards will win the championship however I predict he will beat his record from last year.:)
 
Looking forward to see how Carl does at JGR. I predict he'll lead that team in points followed by Matt, then Kyle and Denny.
 
TRD will be fine. The real question is the impact the rules package will have on a relatively small stable of drivers. If the package plays loose, they will win their fair share. If it stays tight, it will be another struggle until 2016 when things truly loosen up. Japan will be patient, but Toyota USA not so much.
 
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Mark is not really retired. And are you changing because Toyota sucked last year? C'mon..

Outside of Gibbs and MWR, the other toyota teams will be mediocre to average at best. It's harder for them to be good collectively when the organizations themselves dont work together as well as Chevy does, particularly Hendrick with Hass and so on. (There's a thread about this subject here)

I do think Carl will do something similar to what Kenseth did when he moved. He'll probably win 4 or so races. You will see a vast improvement from last year when he was with Roush.

Chevy's work together? Somebody forgot to tell Richard.....and that one Ford thing? Not so much. Most of the time I think we get the manufacturer confused with the builder around here, honestly.

If JGR gets the cars right, they will win. If not, TRD will get blamed as usual. It's how things work. MWR? Nobody ever expects anything from them.
 
Chevy's work together? Somebody forgot to tell Richard.....and that one Ford thing? Not so much. Most of the time I think we get the manufacturer confused with the builder around here, honestly.

If JGR gets the cars right, they will win. If not, TRD will get blamed as usual. It's how things work. MWR? Nobody ever expects anything from them.

You make no sense. I suggest getting the blinders off because when it comes to Toyotas you're blind as a bat.

Chevrolet is one of the best at working with its teams. They can afford sharing the wealth.

They're not as uptight as the Ford camp. Them folks always like to keep a closed circuit. That's why they often struggle. Toyota is being the same way. Even Kyle and the head honcho at Toyota said it.

And Richard's team made it all the way to Homestead and has even a longer tie to chevy than even Hendrick does.

You could have been better off picking the JTG Daugherty team for your example...but wait they won too. Never mind.
 
You make no sense. I suggest getting the blinders off because when it comes to Toyotas you're blind as a bat.

Chevrolet is one of the best at working with its teams. They can afford sharing the wealth.

They're not as uptight as the Ford camp. Them folks always like to keep a closed circuit. That's why they often struggle. Toyota is being the same way. Even Kyle and the head honcho at Toyota said it.

And Richard's team made it all the way to Homestead and has even a longer tie to chevy than even Hendrick does.

You could have been better off picking the JTG Daugherty team for your example...but wait they won too. Never mind.

Give me a break. Hendrick shares with Hendrick. ECR with ECR....and its revenue producing tiers of service. Etc., etc., etc....there is no Chevy mandate any more than there is a Ford mandate. Somehow, though, when JGR struggles and MWR struggles, it's them Toyotas. Those teams have autonomy just like Hendrick does from RCR, etc. B freakin' S.

I heard what Kyle said, and I agreed. David Wilson ("Head Honcho") did not necessarily agree with Kyle entirely.

How many wins did RCR have? Thank you.

Dinger's win at The Glen was all about being in a Chevy. No question. SMH.

I am not blind when it comes to my Toyotas. I just understand how the program works. Many here have made it very clear that they don't.
 
Damn, I've never seen this much denial since Lindsay Lohan and her drug and alcohol problems.
 
I think opinion is all any of us have at this stage, new rules package plus JGR restructured drivers and CCs. We need to get about five races into the season to make a good acessment.
 
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I will be rooting for Brett Moffitt to do well filling in for Vickers. Hopefully Vickers can overcome his physical problems too. Two drivers battling a bad hand imo.

Moffitt really should be still developing in the Xfinity series. But the opportunities or rides apparently have not been available to him. A good driver thats deserves an opportunity. Seemingly passed over.

So I hope he stuns the world filling in for Vickers in a one race deal. But it will be a tough one and done scenario. There are lot of good young drivers and I am afraid he is going to get left behind. I think he has the talent, he just needs the opportunity
 
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I don't think MWR is up to par and poor Vickers lost the one CC that made him look good.
I am NOT expecting anything from the #55 or any MWR cars.
Right now Vickers is in the same seat he had at "Red Bull".
 
It'll be hard to do worse.

it's almost all up from their record last year, it is possible they go winless this year I guess, they will have to work at it though. As it stands, the top Chevy and Ford teams will have to get worse for Toyota to get better. I don't see that happening. The format is the same this year.
 
Well, the only driver in the TOYODA camp that I really watch is Matt. Not because I favor TOYODA, I just like Matt. Something needs to improve and it's not all handling/chassis problems. There does seem to be a HP problem or a lack there of. If they find a little more for Matt, we'll be good. :D
 
Well, the only driver in the TOYODA camp that I really watch is Matt. Not because I favor TOYODA, I just like Matt. Something needs to improve and it's not all handling/chassis problems. There does seem to be a HP problem or a lack there of. If they find a little more for Matt, we'll be good. :D
As you know, I don't know much but it seems since the Toy drivers Waaaaaaaa about their engines blowing, they haven't had much luck.
I think Toy should go back to full song with their engines and then teach the drivers not to blow them up. :)
 
As you know, I don't know much but it seems since the Toy drivers Waaaaaaaa about their engines blowing, they haven't had much luck.
I think Toy should go back to full song with their engines and then teach the drivers not to blow them up. :)
You're right, some of it may be driver error, but they had more than their fair share of valve spring problems at Full Song. Maybe they'll find another vendor besides Edelbrock, Crane, Drake, and Holley.
 
As you know, I don't know much but it seems since the Toy drivers Waaaaaaaa about their engines blowing, they haven't had much luck.
I think Toy should go back to full song with their engines and then teach the drivers not to blow them up. :)
Any driver would "waaaaaaa" if they had the same troubles TRD had. They just drive the cars as hard as they can. They rely on the builders to supply an engine that wont break.
 
Lots of good stuff here, honestly. First, TRD by its own admission needs to build a fast motor that the drivers can beat the hell out of. They have gone on record as saying just that. Second, their success will be defined by the happiness and success of their drivers. They know that. Kyle Busch will not bitch about the motors if they stay together and are fast as hell. Third, TRD never passes the buck or blames its drivers. Fourth, if TRD has another year like last one, Toyota USA will get very, very impatient. Contrary to common misperception, Toyota Japan isn't the driver here. They like the exposure of being in NASCAR and are not yet driven by the Championship IMO. That will change, but not just yet. Toyota is still new to this NASCAR game. However, Toyota USA is a different matter, and their patience is wearing thin. Another year like last year, and jobs could be on the line. Make no mistake....winning the Daytona 500 would be huge for TRD and stem the pressure a bit.

I love my Toyotas and TRD because they have the balls to assume all responsibility even when clearly there should be some sense of shared responsibility. If they were whiners and complainers, this board would be unbearable for me as it should be. Bottom line for me is that I do not believe that TRD is in the dire straits many suggest. They are close if not exactly where they need to be to contend. JGR and MWR were out to lunch with set ups last year, and TRD took the hit on the engine front because if you are crap center, you better have unreal motor off. Nobody had the motor that JGR needed to offset the junk they were in handling. Not even Hendrick.

On a related front....this absolute crap about Toyotas sharing information... You are asking for something that doesn't happen with any other manufacturer. It is easy to say that they should share, but what does that mean? JGR builds stuff for MWR? MWR for JGR? Sims? Chit chat? Hendrick shares with Hendrick. RCR with RCR, etc. The expectation that many in the media have in relation to Toyota is as unique as the TRD relationship with its teams. JGR isn't going to give MWR jack crap unless there is something in it for them. Hendrick gives and gets with SHR because they are a customer team. This is not the case with MWR and JGR. Would I like to see an open book, and have them operate as one? Maybe. What happens if a team steers the rest of the Toyotas into oblivion? Not good. That culture of sharing needs time. David Wilson spoke to this, and described it as a relationship developing organically--out of necessity instead of forced. TRD/Toyota is not going to ax half of its fleet because it doesn't do what it says. Chevy isn't expecting this of its teams. Ford was expecting it until Penske did what they wanted and became more successful than Roush.....yet Ford didn't cut Penske. There is a ton of misunderstanding and misperception because of the structure of how Toyota does business. Instead of paying JGR to build Toyotas for example, they allocate corporate resources to fund TRD. This makes them like a builder with a factory twist. As such, if TRD goes all builder on a team, and that team bolts, the program is screwed. Toyota cannot blame a builder for losing a customer because the builder has such a direct factory connection.
 
Well, the only driver in the TOYODA camp that I really watch is Matt. Not because I favor TOYODA, I just like Matt. Something needs to improve and it's not all handling/chassis problems. There does seem to be a HP problem or a lack there of. If they find a little more for Matt, we'll be good. :D

I disagree...kind of. Everybody needs more HP, but the handling was never, ever, ever right last year. Never. You cannot evaluate objectively what you have under the hood until you can get it pointed in the right direction. JGR never did (better in the Chase however).
 
I disagree...kind of. Everybody needs more HP, but the handling was never, ever, ever right last year. Never. You cannot evaluate objectively what you have under the hood until you can get it pointed in the right direction. JGR never did (better in the Chase however).
I can see where you want everyone to have more HP in the Toyota camp and I respect that, I was just making the point that all I cared about was Matt having more, that's all.
I'm not much into the manufacture wars, even though I made my living wrenchin' on TOYODAS @ the dealerships. I'm more of a driver guy.

Everybody can haul ass down the straight away, but if you cut trough the corner, you're done.

:cheers:
 
odd thread.

Mark is not really retired. And are you changing because Toyota sucked last year? C'mon..

Outside of Gibbs and MWR, the other toyota teams will be mediocre to average at best. It's harder for them to be good collectively when the organizations themselves dont work together as well as Chevy does, particularly Hendrick with Hass and so on. (There's a thread about this subject here)

I do think Carl will do something similar to what Kenseth did when he moved. He'll probably win 4 or so races. You will see a vast improvement from last year when he was with Roush.

Well Mark might not have officially retired, but I don't see him becoming a full time driver again... so in my eyes he is might as well be retired.

And I'm not contemplating changing drivers strictly because of Toyota sucking... which they themselves even admit they need to find more power, but I won't bs anyone by saying it's not the primary reason. It gets utterly frustrating to watch Matt struggle to do anything when I know the main reason for it, is because Toyota just doesn't have what it takes to keep up with the Fords and Chevys. I would bet dollars to doughnuts if Matt was in for example a Chevy with a Hendrick engine under the hood... he would be a whole lot better off than basically driving around in a handicapped vehicle.
 
Well Mark might not have officially retired, but I don't see him becoming a full time driver again... so in my eyes he is might as well be retired.

And I'm not contemplating changing drivers strictly because of Toyota sucking... which they themselves even admit they need to find more power, but I won't bs anyone by saying it's not the primary reason. It gets utterly frustrating to watch Matt struggle to do anything when I know the main reason for it, is because Toyota just doesn't have what it takes to keep up with the Fords and Chevys. I would bet dollars to doughnuts if Matt was in for example a Chevy with a Hendrick engine under the hood... he would be a whole lot better off than basically driving around in a handicapped vehicle.

I dont know where they went wrong honestly.

It was a drastic change from 2013 to 2014 for them.
 
I have no clue on what Toyota will do this year.......... Just good to see another longtime Mark Martin fan!!!!!!!

I believe it was around 1992'ish that I first got into watching Nascar with some friends. Had my pick of a lot of drivers back then and was a Chevy fan, but even though he drove a Ford I still liked something about him and he a lot of talent. I still to this day though, believe he would have gotten an elusive championship if he wasn't so damn nice all the time. Always use to say that Earnhardt Sr needed to teach him a thing or two about having just a touch of attitude on the track.

Sidenote: Went to a Bristol night race some years back and came with 3 people in front of me to get his autograph, but some yutz in the crowd threw a pair of underwear at him and security jumped in and tossed Mark into a golfcart and took off. Aside from that... the only driver I ever got to meet was Rusty Wallace outside of shop in NC. And man he really was as big a wanker in person as he was on tv. He saw my 2 friends and I coming out the door as he was pulling up and quick grabbed his phone and pretended to make a call, waiting for us to leave... we didn't budge, so he got out and with a sour puss on his face handed us signed pictures and that got all huffy when my buddy asked to take a picture with him lol.
 
I dont know where they went wrong honestly.

It was a drastic change from 2013 to 2014 for them.

That it was for sure... 14 wins in '13 and then only 2 in '14. Whatever the case, they better do something to improve this year, or they might as well drop out. Makes me really wish Dodge would get the heck back into the sport.
 
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