Stage Racing in the Playoffs?

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So with regular season bonus points carrying over in to each round of the playoffs, how will stage racing work in the playoffs? It's of my opinion that to separate the regular season from the playoffs that the playoffs should be stage free.

I think it's something NASCAR should look at next year. As I said the main reason is to make the playoffs different than the regular season. As it is now only thing that makes a playoff race special is its place on the schedule. With no stages it would make for different strategy than the first time at the track and migt just appease a few that don't like the stages. Anyone else think it's a good idea?
 
Simple Fan said:
So with regular season bonus points carrying over in to each round of the playoffs, how will stage racing work in the playoffs? It's of my opinion that to separate the regular season from the playoffs that the playoffs should be stage free.

I think it's something NASCAR should look at next year. As I said the main reason is to make the playoffs different than the regular season. As it is now only thing that makes a playoff race special is its place on the schedule. With no stages it would make for different strategy than the first time at the track and migt just appease a few that don't like the stages. Anyone else think it's a good idea?
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I'd be all about it. Great idea.
 
I actually think the stages should be in the playoffs. One of the great things about the stages is that, if you run well all race and then get caught up in somebody else's wreck at the end, your day is not a total loss. That'd be even more important in the three race mini-seasons in the playoffs. Homestead should be the only race without stages, because it would make no sense to have them there.
 
ToyYoda said:
I actually think the stages should be in the playoffs. One of the great things about the stages is that, if you run well all race and then get caught up in somebody else's wreck at the end, your day is not a total loss. That'd be even more important in the three race mini-seasons in the playoffs. Homestead should be the only race without stages, because it would make no sense to have them there.
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In that sense it does help for a race but where does the bonus point go for winning a stage? Does it add on to a drivers previous bonus points for the next round? Yeah Homestead should definitely be stage free.
 
It's my understanding stage racing continues through the playoffs but there are no bonus points in the Homestead race.
 
Simple Fan said:
In that sense it does help for a race but where does the bonus point go for winning a stage? Does it add on to a drivers previous bonus points for the next round? Yeah Homestead should definitely be stage free.
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It looks like drivers can keep accruing playoff points through the playoffs, per the NASCAR website:

"Once the postseason begins, points will be reset to 2,000 for the opening round, with each driver's accrued bonus points tacked onto that total. Four drivers still will be eliminated in each round of the postseason, setting up a final four in Miami for all three national series.



What is the tweak for playoff points?

Playoff points earned for race wins or for leading at the end of Stage 1 or Stage 2 now will carry over round-by-round if a driver continues advancing. It's not just for the first round any more. Additionally, drivers can build off and add to those bonus points.



So if a driver has 70 playoff points heading into the postseason, and then wins the playoff opener (five-point bonus), he or she would advance to the next round and carry 75 additional points -- or more, depending on his or her results over the next two races in the round."

One pretty big thing I also forgot about is that the points leader after Richmond gets an additional 15 playoff points. That could be huge.
 
Simple Fan said:
So with regular season bonus points carrying over in to each round of the playoffs, how will stage racing work in the playoffs? It's of my opinion that to separate the regular season from the playoffs that the playoffs should be stage free.

I think it's something NASCAR should look at next year. As I said the main reason is to make the playoffs different than the regular season. As it is now only thing that makes a playoff race special is its place on the schedule. With no stages it would make for different strategy than the first time at the track and migt just appease a few that don't like the stages. Anyone else think it's a good idea?
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If Nascar was about sport I would get what you are saying but the real reason for stages isn't for playoff points and whatever else they give away. The real reason for stages is to stop the race to keep cars on the lead lap and to have restarts where other than pit road are often the only time when any real action takes place. I see more stages coming to to more races next year as it is a means of Nascar managing the product in a way they think people enjoy as opposed to letting things take place organically.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
If Nascar was about sport I would get what you are saying but the real reason for stages isn't for playoff points and whatever else they give away. The real reason for stages is to stop the race to keep cars on the lead lap and to have restarts where other than pit road are often the only time when any real action takes place. I see more stages coming to to more races next year as it is a means of Nascar managing the product in a way they think people enjoy as opposed to letting things take place organically.
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You're probably right, just a thought I had last night when I was thinking about how to make the playoffs and regular season stand apart other than just labeling it a playoff race. I think the stage racing is great but I'd also like to see some traditional racing. Dropping stages in the playoffs would be interesting I think and give the playoffs it own identity away from the regular season.
 
Half the fan base can't figure out how it works already, they dont need to be confused more because then they will whine more.
 
Simple Fan said:
You're probably right, just a thought I had last night when I was thinking about how to make the playoffs and regular season stand apart other than just labeling it a playoff race. I think the stage racing is great but I'd also like to see some traditional racing. Dropping stages in the playoffs would be interesting I think and give the playoffs it own identity away from the regular season.
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I think you have some very good points.
 
kkfan91 said:
Half the fan base can't figure out how it works already, they dont need to be confused more because then they will whine more.
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I think this simplifies what could be confusing about the playoff points. I was a bit confused on how the stages would work in the playoffs as far as gianing new bonus points go. My idea would just be to award the bonus points at the beginning of each round and run traditional races in the playoffs.
 
Get rid of the associated caution and make it truly stage racing, rather than actually stage cautions and I would agree to most anything.
 
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I don't see a big deal winning stage wins and the like in the playoffs. It's ok, but running a race to survive to the next round I would think would be a hell of a lot more important. If that means winning all the stages so be it. If it means beating the guy you need to stay ahead of to eliminate you do that.
 
NASCAR Apologist said:
I think, if anything, we will have four stages per race next year. Five in the marquee events!
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Yeah I don't like that and think they have the stage racing formatted right. I'd just like to see them do something to set the playoff apart from the regular season.
 
Personally I like the concept of spicing up the racing early in the race, but you know, how about shortening some of these races to 300-400 miles instead if they're all about the TV product more so than the stands? Surely it wouldn't be the end of the world for Atlanta, Texas x2, even some of the short tracks to go back to 400 miles/laps? Hell even Dover wouldn't be too bad at 300 laps.

I've liked the stage racing, but it all seems hard to follow for the average fan in terms of race points.

TL;DR I think they need to stick with something for a while and quit making changes.
 
Simple Fan said:
Yeah I don't like that and think they have the stage racing formatted right. I'd just like to see them do something to set the playoff apart from the regular season.
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More bonus points during the race, more hard racing. You better believe it's on the way.
 
Stage racing has been a huge disappointment for some fans. They mourn for the loss of Jacques debris and "put it out". Race manipulation just doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
Foobah nixed that when they wouldn't let Dale Jr run a redskins scheme. They are back to the huddle and trying to figure out how to make another stage appear to be a two minute warning.
 
StandOnIt said:
Stage racing has been a huge disappointment for some fans. They mourn for the loss of Jacques debris and "put it out". Race manipulation just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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NASCAR has never - repeat, never - manipulated a race. Sometimes a mistake is made. But I believe Race Control is authentic and genuine.
 
NASCAR Apologist said:
Not at all. I don't know why it's so hard to believe. A sport of NASCAR's stature could not afford to lack integrity and credibility.
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You can't be serious, the credibility of Nascar was gone a long tome ago, you are pretty clueless or naive or both if you think otherwise.
 
NASCAR Apologist said:
NASCAR has never - repeat, never - manipulated a race. Sometimes a mistake is made. But I believe Race Control is authentic and genuine.
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Agree, alot of the scenario's that fans call manipulation are common sense calls that average Joe would understand but a internet NASCAR Fan will make a big deal about
 
Simple Fan said:
Agree, alot of the scenario's that fans call manipulation are common sense calls that average Joe would understand but a internet NASCAR Fan will make a big deal about
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Yeh really? So fake debris cautions fall under this scenario? You guys are comical.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Yeh really? So fake debris cautions fall under this scenario? You guys are comical.
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Not so fake when they actually show the debris that was on the track which happen s more time than not. Now are there instances where NASCAR has to make a decision on something that might not be debris? Yeah but better safe than sorry has always been the best way to go.
 
Simple Fan said:
Not so fake when they actually show the debris that was on the track which happen s more time than not. Now are there instances where NASCAR has to make a decision on something that might not be debris? Yeah but better safe than sorry has always been the best way to go.
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I have been watching Nascar for 50 years, since I was 6, in the last 10 years the manufactured drama from debris cautions is ridiculous. Now we have stage racing which is essentially the same thing. Might as well put stages in at the local tracks...oh wait we don't have to, that's actually good racing. The gimmicks have to stop, Nascar is becoming a laughing stock at the Cup level. After this tv contract is up, there will be a tough time finding a race live unless it is ppv.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I have been watching Nascar for 50 years, since I was 6, in the last 10 years the manufactured drama from debris cautions is ridiculous. Now we have stage racing which is essentially the same thing. Might as well put stages in at the local tracks...oh wait we don't have to, that's actually good racing. The gimmicks have to stop, Nascar is becoming a laughing stock at the Cup level. After this tv contract is up, there will be a tough time finding a race live unless it is ppv.
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NASCAR is not going to PPV. No matter what you think NASCAR is in good shape and will continue to be. If you are a fan of racing in general than NASCAR should still entertain you. I think you yourself manufacture alot of this drama as its not really there with so called debris caustions and such. And if it is mabufactured drama just shut up and enjoy it because it's been pretty entertaining this season.
 
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