Statement from TOYOTA...

[ToyYoda]

Like I said that is your opinion, where you live that might be true, plenty of commuter cars. because you have had a bad experience, doesn't make it so. GM is the number one maker of vehicles in the U.S. so there are plenty of people that think GM products are worth paying for. Texas and Oklahoma is truck country, texas a few years ago bought 75% of the Chevy suburbans that were sold in the U.S., so you go ahead and tout your import and your redneck opinions, you haven't been anywhere to make it, but you are welcome to it. Most sold car world wide is a FORD. Two years running.http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ocus-fiesta-honda-civic-toyota-camry/2066187/

True, GM has the biggest U.S. market share and has for awhile, but Toyota has a slightly higher share than Ford, although the F-Series pickup remains the best selling vehicle.

August 2013 U.S. market shares per the Wall Street Journal:

GM - 18.4%
Toyota - 15.4%
Ford - 14.7%
Honda - 11.1%
Chrysler - 11.0%
Nissan - 8.0%

 

[3wideinturn1]

True, GM has the biggest U.S. market share and has for awhile, but Toyota has a slightly higher share than Ford, although the F-Series pickup remains the best selling vehicle.

August 2013 U.S. market shares per the Wall Street Journal:

GM - 18.4%
Toyota - 15.4%
Ford - 14.7%
Honda - 11.1%
Chrysler - 11.0%
Nissan - 8.0%

I could be mistaken but iirc the market share #'s are a little skewed because it doesn't seperate fleet and private consumers. Most police forces around the world buy Ford and GM vehicles as do a lot of shipping companies and cabbie companies. Those are large portions of the global sales that they are counting. So it's actually a lot closer than you might think when talking strictly private sales at your local dealerships.

Also we all can probably agree that market share doesn't speak to quality whatsoever (K-car I'm looking at you)

 

[ToyYoda]

I could be mistaken but iirc the market share #'s are a little skewed because it doesn't seperate fleet and private consumers. Most police forces around the world buy Ford and GM vehicles as do a lot of shipping companies and cabbie companies. Those are large portions of the global sales that they are counting. So it's actually a lot closer than you might think when talking strictly private sales at your local dealerships.

Also we all can probably agree that market share doesn't speak to quality whatsoever (K-car I'm looking at you)

I think you're right, WSJ doesn't parse out the fleet numbers from total market share. Fleet sales are where a lot of the F-150 and Silverado volume comes from. But, sales are sales, so they should probably be included, even if they're deeply discounted fleet sales.

 

[Mopardh9]

Pickup trucks - again, the only people buying those are rednecks and the wannabe rednecks that watch Duck Dynasty on A&E and want to be just like Willie Robinson. From Andy

Umm ...no I don't thinks so, there are a lot of people that actually use a Pick Up for what it is intended for.

 

[HoneyBadger]

Pickup trucks - again, the only people buying those are rednecks and the wannabe rednecks that watch Duck Dynasty on A&E and want to be just like Willie Robinson. From Andy

Umm ...no I don't thinks so, there are a lot of people that actually use a Pick Up for what it is intended for.

A lot of people who actually need pickup trucks tend to already have them and have considerably older trucks.

Most of the newer pickup trucks on the road that I see are driven by kids who drive their lifted trucks to impress superficial "country girls". I don't think I'm off on this one. Like I said, I know a thing or two about my generation. Give it a couple years, when gas prices continue to skyrocket and it's no longer "cool" to be "country" and you'll see fewer pickup trucks on the road. The popularity of "Duck Dynasty" and the political/social landscape where guns and pickup trucks are hip is about the only thing Ford and GM have going for them.

 

[StandOnIt]

A lot of people who actually need pickup trucks tend to already have them and have considerably older trucks.

Most of the newer pickup trucks on the road that I see are driven by kids who drive their lifted trucks to impress superficial "country girls". I don't think I'm off on this one. Like I said, I know a thing or two about my generation. Give it a couple years, when gas prices continue to skyrocket and it's no longer "cool" to be "country" and you'll see fewer pickup trucks on the road. The popularity of "Duck Dynasty" and the political/social landscape where guns and pickup trucks are hip is about the only thing Ford and GM have going for them.

Bud ya don't know nothing about what is going on in the rest of the country. Ford F100 has been a leading seller for years, longer than your 25 years you have been alive. Read up grasshopper
The F-Series is a series of full-size pickup trucks from Ford Motor Company which has been sold continuously for over six decades. The most popular variant of the F-Series is the F-150. It was the best-selling vehicle in the United States for 17 years,[1] currently (2007) the best-selling pick-up for 37 years,[2] and the best selling vehicle in Canada,[3

I guess the Canadians are redneck duck people too right? yeah bud, you are definitely off on this one

 

[Johali]

A lot of people who actually need pickup trucks tend to already have them and have considerably older trucks.

Most of the newer pickup trucks on the road that I see are driven by kids who drive their lifted trucks to impress superficial "country girls". I don't think I'm off on this one. Like I said, I know a thing or two about my generation. Give it a couple years, when gas prices continue to skyrocket and it's no longer "cool" to be "country" and you'll see fewer pickup trucks on the road. The popularity of "Duck Dynasty" and the political/social landscape where guns and pickup trucks are hip is about the only thing Ford and GM have going for them.

Just like "Most" young people you think your generation is special and no one understands but you, but the fact is I and most other people with some age on them are multigenerational. I have been through every generation since the forties because of interaction from birth on up of people of every generation. I have had experiences, all combined, no one else has ever had but so has everybody else on the planet. My grandchildren are in their twenties and the great grandkids are from in the oven to nine years old. And every generation, including mine, has screamed, but you don't understand us and you never will, this is a new world with new problems and hardships, but they usually always see the light by the time they get in their thirties. End of sermon that will fall on deaf ears.

 

[HoneyBadger]

Bud ya don't know nothing about what is going on in the rest of the country. Ford F100 has been a leading seller for years, longer than your 25 years you have been alive. Read up grasshopper
The F-Series is a series of full-size pickup trucks from Ford Motor Company which has been sold continuously for over six decades. The most popular variant of the F-Series is the F-150. It was the best-selling vehicle in the United States for 17 years,[1] currently (2007) the best-selling pick-up for 37 years,[2] and the best selling vehicle in Canada,[3

I guess the Canadians are redneck duck people too right? yeah bud, you are definitely off on this one

Just like "Most" young people you think your generation is special and no one understands but you, but the fact is I and most other people with some age on them are multigenerational. I have been through every generation since the forties because of interaction from birth on up of people of every generation. I have had experiences, all combined, no one else has ever had but so has everybody else on the planet. My grandchildren are in their twenties and the great grandkids are from in the oven to nine years old. And every generation, including mine, has screamed, but you don't understand us and you never will, this is a new world with new problems and hardships, but they usually always see the light by the time they get in their thirties. End of sermon that will fall on deaf ears.

I'll admit my statements about truck buyers were over the top and borderline offensive. I do stand by the fact that many people who currently buy them do so because of the current social/political culture. I'd also venture to say a large part of those sales are fleet sales. But in 2013, individual pickup truck sales are through the roof. And, yes, I believe the main reason there's a surge in pickup truck sales is because being "country" is the current fad in this country.

 

[StandOnIt]

I'll admit my statements about truck buyers were over the top and borderline offensive. I do stand by the fact that many people who currently buy them do so because of the current social/political culture. I'd also venture to say a large part of those sales are fleet sales. But in 2013, individual pickup truck sales are through the roof. And, yes, I believe the main reason there's a surge in pickup truck sales is because being "country" is the current fad in this country.

Yeah I guess the Canadians have gone country. Best selling vehicle period in that country..quack.

 

[Johali]

I think it's time to get back on topic, sorry for my participation in the off topic stuff. PUT EVERYBODY IN THE CHASE AND LETS GO RACIN.

 

[StandOnIt]

I think it's time to get back on topic, sorry for my participation in the off topic stuff. PUT EVERYBODY IN THE CHASE AND LETS GO RACIN.

nothing wrong with trying to educate a stubborn youngster, I need to keep in practice, I got a 19 year old step boy who is getting an education in the Army right now. miss the knucklehead, but proud as hell of him.