The 150's thread

Sure ok

Anyway back to gordon,how much was it lower then it was supposed to be
 
Gordon's winning car fails Duels inspection
Will start 42nd in Daytona 500 because of infraction
By David Caraviello, NASCAR.COM
February 15, 2007
07:50 PM EST

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Jeff Gordon's Duels-winning racecar failed post-race inspection on Thursday, dropping the former Daytona 500 winner to a 42nd-place starting spot.

Gordon's car was deemed "close to an inch" too low, according to NASCAR officials, due to the fact that a bolt on the shock fastener was misaligned.

NASCAR vice president of competition Robin Pemberton said he feels the action was unintentional.

No fines or point deductions will be assessed, according to Pemberton.

"We're sure this wasn't intentional," Pemberton said.

Despite the infraction, Gordon still goes into the record books as the winner

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/c up/02/1...
 
kelloggs5TLfan said:
Gordon's winning car fails Duels inspection
Will start 42nd in Daytona 500 because of infraction
By David Caraviello, NASCAR.COM
February 15, 2007
07:50 PM EST

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Jeff Gordon's Duels-winning racecar failed post-race inspection on Thursday, dropping the former Daytona 500 winner to a 42nd-place starting spot.

Gordon's car was deemed "close to an inch" too low, according to NASCAR officials, due to the fact that a bolt on the shock fastener was misaligned.

NASCAR vice president of competition Robin Pemberton said he feels the action was unintentional.

No fines or point deductions will be assessed, according to Pemberton.

"We're sure this wasn't intentional," Pemberton said.

Despite the infraction, Gordon still goes into the record books as the winner

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/c up/02/1...
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Jeez, everyone is getting gun shy. Hey, things happen that are not always intentional in racing.
 
Are we to infer from that statement, that penalties being imposed are an indication of intentional cheating?

Anyway, it's not all that "shocking" to find a Hendricks car just a bit to low during post race inspection. Was Knauss in the #24 pit or something :)
 
muggle not said:
Jeez, everyone is getting gun shy. Hey, things happen that are not always intentional in racing.
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These teams are suppose to go over the cars with a fine tooth comb. Templates are put on the cars countless times. A car should nerver be 1" lower than the specs. I'm sure Gordon's team knew it was low.
 
I'm listening to that attentionwhore David Poole. He maintains that any team caught cheating should be sent home. Whether it is pre or post race. Any infraction, regardless of how small.
This would certainly have lightened the field and maybe Hylton would have gotten in.
 
That's too bad for Jeffy. The car just settled.
He's great in a plate car, it won't take him long to get to the front.
 
The car didn't just settle.

Rear shocks were not installed correctly resulting in a bolt coming loose. Hard to believe that this could happen but since we are all human, people do make mistakes at times.

Nascar is saying that it didn't offer them any advantage and it was treated as something unintentional.
 
NASCAR, Robin Pemberton and John Darby need ofer a detailed explanation to the general public.
If NASCAR has any intention of having a level playing field, this should be mandatory.

The explanation should include photos or diagrams plus details as anything less will be suspicioned as favortism to Hendrick / JGordon in light of other infractions from the past weeks activities and subsequent penalties.

Until NASCAR shows beyond reasonable doubt this one inch lower than legal will be viewed with a jaundiced eye and NASCAR losing any credibility they gained thus far this season. A misaligned shock bolt means plenty to some with general mechanical knowledge but to the uninitiated, it raises questions.
 
photos or diagrams plus details as anything less will be suspicioned as favortism

C'mon Whizzzz! They havn't done that for ANY of the infractions. We have taken their word for all the rest why would YOU need more for this infraction?
They are the judge and jury....not us. What they do...they do! All we get is to hear or read the results.
If you are against the penalty for Jeffy just jump out and say it. I will say I think Mikey should have been booted out of the track with the others. But it is totally out of both your and my control ain't it?
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
Shape or alter a part just right and it can fail the way you want it to. This has been done before in Nascar.

What I want to know is how does Nascar know that this wasn't intentional (for sure) and some of the others caught previously were? How do you decide which is which. This is not a trick or put down question. I want to know and can't get a hold of my brother to ask. LOL
 
From everything I have read has said both rear shocks were mounted incorrectly that cause the car to be 1" lower in the back. How that didn't get caught during pre-race inspection hasn't been answered.
 
Actually they did in a way. They said they had to go under the car with a flashlight to determine the cause. Apparently the bolt wasn't readily viewable from top side.
David Poole's cry to send them all home if they are caught cheating. Suspend them from races if they fail post race inspections. This could make a dent in those who push the envelope. Then again what we the fans have to talk about?
 
MRM said:
From everything I have read has said both rear shocks were mounted incorrectly that cause the car to be 1" lower in the back. How that didn't get caught during pre-race inspection hasn't been answered.
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Ya know, I have been thinking about that too.
First of all, I don't know where people are saying that something broke. I have not seen one article that something broke or failed, so give it up unless you show me that article.

Second. I'm in construction for 15 years. After a short time you can tell by looking at something that it is 1/8inch out of plumb or level, it's something you aquire with your job. Now, when you have these cars you have been working on, for the past few weeks, you know effin well if it's an inch low. :mad:

NASCAR>>>>This is a bunch of crap.:p
 
Bucky Badger said:
Ya know, I have been thinking about that too.
First of all, I don't know where people are saying that something broke. I have not seen one article that something broke or failed, so give it up unless you show me that article.

Second. I'm in construction for 15 years. After a short time you can tell by looking at something that it is 1/8inch out of plumb or level, it's something you aquire with your job. Now when you have these cars you have been working on you know effin well if it's an inch low. :mad:

NASCAR>>>>This is a bunch of crap.:p
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I did use the word fail in my post, that was the wrong wording. :)
 
Shock vs. height??

I don't understand how a non coilover shock can control the height of the car if it is mounted incorrectly. By Pemberton's statement on NASCAR.COM, he stated that the bolts were misaligned. That caused the quarterpanels to be low but not the roof. What gives? Someone please explain?? Thanks.:confused: Maybe I need :beerbang:
 
barelypure said:
I'm listening to that attentionwhore David Poole. He maintains that any team caught cheating should be sent home. Whether it is pre or post race. Any infraction, regardless of how small.
This would certainly have lightened the field and maybe Hylton would have gotten in.
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That I would have liked to have seen :)
 
TexasRaceLady said:
It is my understanding that the mount was mis-aligned, and during the race it actually broke --- allowing the quarter panel to sink.
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They speak of nothing broke. If something was broke, YOU know they would put it in print, to keep things cool.

Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president for competition, said bolts had been misaligned on the rear shocks installed prior to Thursday's race. Once the race started, the load on those misaligned bolts caused the car's quarterpanels, but not the roof, to be lower than the minimum allowed height.

"Honestly, I think it's something a mechanic made a mistake on as he bolted the shocks on during the installation process," Pemberton said.



http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/02/15/jgordon.duels.inspection/index.html
 
To even things up. :D

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. - Jeff Burton certainly wouldn't be in the business of defending people unnecessarily, but after personally inspecting the part from Jeff Gordon's Gatorade Duel car, he thinks the penalty fit the crime.

Gordon's car was found to have a quarterpanel that was about an inch too low following Thursday night's qualifying race at Daytona International Speedway. NASCAR studied the part and found that a bolt had been misaligned when it was inserted. The sanctioning body deemed that the violation was unintentional and penalized Gordon by moving him from the fourth starting spot in Sunday's Daytona 500 that he gained by winning the Duel to the 42nd starting spot.


Burton, a self-described proponent of large penalties, went to the NASCAR truck on Friday morning to inspect the part himself. He was looking for any signs that it had been intentionally altered but didn't find any.

"I was concerned about that this morning, " Burton said. "The part was confiscated, so I went and looked at the part, and it's my opinion that what happened with the 24 car was a screwup, and I'm also of the opinion that probably, on the race track, there was not much performance gain because on the race track the car is different than in the height sticks ... The question is, what should the penalty be,? Mistake or not, it has to be a penalty. My concern was the penalty wasn't steep enough in relation to the other penalties."

After studying the part, Burton decided the penalty was correct.

"As seen by me, I think the penalty fit the crime," the Richard Childress Racing driver said.
 
Accident or not, the punishment should be the same, IMO. Establishing intent, or lack thereof, should be irrelevant. In the NFL, for example, a lineman is setting up to block a linebacker and at the last second, the running back changes directions, the linebacker follows suit, lineman blocks in the back...10 yard penalty, even though he had absolutely no intention of blocking in the back.

This is another case of NASCAR favoring it's "stars" and it's sickening. HMS is constantly toeing the lines drawn by the "rulebook" and get a pass every time.
 
I agree jeefunk...if the car doesn't pass post-race, penalize it. Nascar can't rule on "intent".
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I hate to be a wet blanket, but since it is NASCAR's game, they can rule on anything they want.
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I don't think anyone disputed that. However, the more NASCAR pulls stunts like this, the more people they drive away from the sport.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I hate to be a wet blanket, but since it is NASCAR's game, they can rule on anything they want.
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I agree 99.9% as they can't rule on my right to bitch, moan, complain and scrutinize their inconsistencies.

They're not the only dictators around this place as I dictate my actions as well :)
 
jeefunk said:
the more NASCAR pulls stunts like this, the more people they drive away from the sport.
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Stunts? I dont know one can call it that but handing down penalties ain't no stunts.

And for once, i'd like to hear something else than the Hendrick has Nascar under its thumb theory, honestly it's a stupid analogy.
 
reck said:
Stunts? I dont know one can call it that but handing down penalties ain't no stunts.

And for once, i'd like to hear something else than the Hendrick has Nascar under its thumb theory, honestly it's a stupid analogy.
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If you'd call that a penalty. Just like last year, Johnson's only "penalty" was moving to the back of the pack for the 150.
 
Only penalty huh? so suspending a crew chief and 25,000 Dollars to boot is only a "penalty"?..are you sure you had been following Nascar for long?
 
25,000 isn't a drop in the bucket to those guys. Suspending the crew chief? That's a start. He should've been docked owner/driver points. Same for Gordon. If they penalized all those other guys points, money, & suspended the crew chiefs, Gordon's "punishment" pales in comparison.
 
Jeff Gordon situation was different from those others, it was a mechanical deal, someone screw up on that one, kind of a freak of nature type thing. Like Jeff Burton say..the penalty fit the crime.
 
reck said:
Jeff Gordon situation was different from those others, it was a mechanical deal, someone screw up on that one, kind of a freak of nature type thing. Like Jeff Burton say..the penalty fit the crime.
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screwed up on purpose....;)
 
reck said:
Jeff Gordon situation was different from those others, it was a mechanical deal, someone screw up on that one, kind of a freak of nature type thing. Like Jeff Burton say..the penalty fit the crime.
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Again, it can't be said for sure that it was a mistake. Only Gordon's crew (or possibly the one or two guys responsible) knows for sure.

The fact that they are so accepting of the penalty without even a peep makes it seem a bit suspicious. They are so adamant about it being unintentional and that it didn't help, well why not fight the penalty? Sure you pick your battles, but if you did nothing wrong, why be punished?
 
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