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So..... tonight @ 7:00pm he will speak. The show will actually get underway @ 6:30pm. We all get to hear those crazy ideas that are bouncing around in that head of his. Do you think that we already know everything? Are there any surprises left? Do you think anything good is going to come out of this? What concerns me the most is that this is probably still a work in progress and we'll be relying on him to lead the sport in the direction that he's outlined in his little three ring binder. I just hope he can read past all of his doodles! :D

Here's the link.

Originally it was set to air on Speed but it is now exclusively on nascar.com
 
If you like manufactured drama,you will love it.If you to get back to racing,probably won't be to happy.
 
I'll go out on a limb and say I won't complain about it like usual and just enjoy watching my races.
 
kkfan91 said:
I'll go out on a limb and say I won't complain about it like usual and just enjoy watching my races.
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Well hell I would too, but seeing how they are few and far between, I'll just continue to complain about most of the races being a snoozefest.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I'll go out on a limb here and say it will be all BS!:sarcasm:
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I'm sure that he'll jabber a lot of BS but the new rules, as I understand them, won't be BS, They'll just be more wrong headed regulations which will continue to drive the sport farther and farther away from what made it once so great.
 
I've got SPEED on now... they're airing Pass Time from Maryland International Raceway! :beerbang::beerbang:

Not normally a fan of that show but I recognize every speck of dust that's on that camera.
 
New point system, new Chase format, new qualifying format.
 
Eh, let's just see how it plays out. Last year it came down to Homestead before we knew who the Champion was, maybe it'll happen again this year.
 
NASCAR announces changes for 2011 season: NASCAR announced Wednesday that it has added a wild card element to setting the Chase for the NASCAR Sprint Cup field and it has simplified its points system for 2011, making it easier for fans, competitors and the industry to understand.
While the 12-driver Chase field remains intact, the number of wins will determine the final two spots during the first 26 races.
The top 10 in points following Race No. 26 the "cutoff" race continue to earn Chase berths.
Positions 11 and 12 are "wild card" qualifiers and will go to non-top-10-ranked drivers with the most wins, as long as they're ranked in the top 20 in points. The top-10 Chase drivers will continue to be seeded based on wins during the first 26 races, with each win worth three bonus points. The wild card drivers will not receive bonus points for wins and will be seeded 11th and 12th, respectively. It's a move aimed towards rewarding winning and consistency during the regular season.
Brian France, NASCAR Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, made the announcements at the NASCAR Hall of Fame during NASCAR's annual media event as part of the NASCAR Sprint Media Tour.
"The fans tell us that winning matters the most with them, so we're combining the tradition of consistency in our sport with the excitement that comes along with winning," said France. "This makes every race count leading into the 26th race of the season at Richmond, when we set the field for the Chase for the NASCAR Sprint Cup."
The new points system, which applies to all NASCAR national series, will award points in one-point increments. As an example, in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, race winners will earn 43 points, plus three bonus points for the win. Winners also can earn an extra point for leading a lap and leading the most laps, bringing their total to a possible maximum of 48 points.
All other drivers in a finishing order will be separated by one-point increments. A second-place finisher will earn 42 points, a third-place driver 41 points, and so on. A last-place finisher 43rd place earns one point. In the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series, the last-place finisher receives eight points, to account for that series' 36-driver race field.
"Many of our most loyal fans don't fully understand the points system we have used to date," said France, referencing the system that has been in use since 1975. "So, we are simplifying the points system to one that is much easier to understand. Conceptually, it is comparable to our previous system, but it is easier to follow."
During his remarks Wednesday night, France reflected on the outstanding competition the sport enjoyed in 2010 and expected to see that high-caliber of racing to continue once the green flag drops for the 53rd running of the Daytona 500 Feb. 20.
"NASCAR enters 2011 with positive momentum and a great sense of excitement and optimism," said France. "We're extremely excited for the launch of the season. Leading the season off with Daytona, Phoenix and Las Vegas, we believe our fans are in store for some of the best racing the sport has to offer."
Other competitive enhancements announced Wednesday:
Pick a Series: Drivers in all three national series now must select the series where they'll compete for a driver championship. Drivers still may compete in multiple series and help their teams win owner titles in series where they're not competing for a driver title. The move helps spotlight young talent in the NASCAR Nationwide and NASCAR Camping World Truck Series.
New Qualifying Procedure: The qualifying order will be set based upon slowest to fastest practice speeds.
Inclement Weather Qualifying: If bad weather cancels qualifying, the final starting lineup will be determined by practice speeds. The same rule book procedures will be used to determine eligibility to start a race. If weather cancels practice sessions, then points, per the rulebook, will set the starting lineup.
Tire Rules Revision: NASCAR Sprint Cup Series teams now are allowed five sets of tires for practice and qualifying instead of six. They must return four of those sets to Goodyear in order to receive their race allotment, and may keep one set of practice/qualifying tires. Tire allotments for race weekends will vary according to historical performance data.
Closed Loop Fueling System: Introduced in the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series, this goes into effect for all three national series in 2011. It combines a more efficient fueling system with the elimination of the catch-can man, considered the most "vulnerable" pit-crew member. Teams now will use six, rather than seven, over-the-wall pit-crew members.
Evolution Of NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Car: NASCAR continues to work with the manufacturers and teams to enhance the look of the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series car. The cars have new fronts this season and the body makeover will continue to help appeal to fans and aid manufacturer identity.
(NASCAR)(1-26-2011)
 
If bad weather cancels qualifying, the final starting lineup will be determined by practice speeds. The same rule book procedures will be used to determine eligibility to start a race.


So if qualifying is canceled will the fastest 43 race or is it the top 35 plus the fastest of whats left????????
 
mike honcho said:
If bad weather cancels qualifying, the final starting lineup will be determined by practice speeds. The same rule book procedures will be used to determine eligibility to start a race.


So if qualifying is canceled will the fastest 43 race or is it the top 35 plus the fastest of whats left????????
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The coverage was convoluted (unless you also have the amended rulebook) but I think it means the fastest speeds of the the top 35 in points and then the bottom feeders.
 
I like it, I always like it. But I think it will make it closer Andy DNF's will really hurt as will poor finishes so ground can be made up more.
 
I just hope they'll let the boys have at it, like they did last season.
 
My input is simply agree or disagree

Points- agree, It is nothing but a simplified version of what they currently have.

Qualifiying- Disagree, not much different than F-1 where all cars hit the track at the same time and the fastest ends up on pole position. Most Nascar qualifiying I've seen over the years has the ones going out early being at a disadvantage because at most tracks the track is hot and slick. the ones going out later have the advantage when the track cools down. Fastest going out later will put them up front. I prefer luck of the draw for qualifiying position.

The Chase- totally disagree with this alltogether, dump the chase as most fans want. The old points system, similar to the new one, paid points for consistency throughout the entire season and the most consistant would win the title, as it should be.
This pipe dream of a game 7 type thing has only happened 2 maybe 3 times in the past 20 years chase or no chase.

Legnth of races and other stuff- leave it alone. If people can't handle a 4 hour race then don't watch or don't attend.

Just my opinion
 
Finally, something I can agree with Brian France about, but I still think he is a greasy looking slimeball!!
 
racer8 said:
Qualifiying- Disagree, not much different than F-1 where all cars hit the track at the same time and the fastest ends up on pole position. Most Nascar qualifiying I've seen over the years has the ones going out early being at a disadvantage because at most tracks the track is hot and slick. the ones going out later have the advantage when the track cools down. Fastest going out later will put them up front. I prefer luck of the draw for qualifiying position.
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Seems like a self-contradiction. I actually prefer the FIA/road racing qualifying process- It makes qualifying more like an actual race situation, in a way. Maybe not have the whole field out there, but maybe do 10 at a time or something, like they started doing on the road courses, basing the groups on practice speeds. I think going off practice speeds for rainouts is a 100% improvement, now if they can just make qualifying itself better, and take away the advantage of timing.

NASCAR adopted the FIA points system (more or less..more less, but still similar idea), maybe they'll adopt that qualifying procedure next year.

Comparison: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/11/fia-approves-new-top-10-points-system-for-f1-wrc/

The Federation Internationale de l'Automobile has put together a new points system which has subsequently been adopted by both Formula One and the World Rally Championship. Starting with the 2010 seasons for both motorsport disciplines, the top ten finishers in each race or rally will earn points, instead of the top eight as in recent seasons.

The new system awards points on a 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 basis. An earlier tweak to the system would have awarded 25 points to first place and 20 to second, but further consideration by both F1 and WRC opted instead to give race winners a wider point margin than second place in a bid to encourage drivers to push for the win instead of taking a calculated second place points finish.
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Reference: http://history.fiagt.com/faq.php

How does the scoring work ? Teams, Drivers and Manufacturers score points, according to the standard scale of 10 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 -1. Each driver in the car scores points. A team can have up to two cars, both of which can score points towards the Teams title.
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Positions 11 and 12 are "wild card" qualifiers and will go to non-top-10-ranked drivers with the most wins, as long as they're ranked in the top 20 in points.
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wonder what the odds are of 2 non-top 10 guys winning a race? 1...possibly. who are the 11 & 12 qualifiers if this criteria isn't met?
 
There will be 12. After the 26th race if no drivers in positions 11-20 have won a race, positions 11-12 will be part of the Chase.
 
Screw the point system! Screw the championship.
None of it means anything anymore.
NASCAR has doctored the sport to the point where it used to be the guy who completed the designated distance first, won. And they won without rules manipulated and changed to satisfy late bloomers to the sport.

The most entertaining way to watch each race and whoever wins is the champion until next week when it starts all over again. (sigh...............)
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
There will be 12. After the 26th race if no drivers in positions 11-20 have won a race, positions 11-12 will be part of the Chase.
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11 and 12 will be part of the Chase...

"...Positions 11 and 12 are "wild card" qualifiers and will go to non-top-10-ranked drivers with the most wins, as long as they're ranked in the top 20 in points. The top-10 Chase drivers will continue to be seeded based on wins during the first 26 races, with each win worth three bonus points. The wild card drivers will not receive bonus points for wins and will be seeded 11th and 12th, respectively. It's a move aimed towards rewarding winning and consistency during the regular season."
 
racer8 said:
My input is simply agree or disagree

Points- agree, It is nothing but a simplified version of what they currently have.

Qualifiying- Disagree, not much different than F-1 where all cars hit the track at the same time and the fastest ends up on pole position. Most Nascar qualifiying I've seen over the years has the ones going out early being at a disadvantage because at most tracks the track is hot and slick. the ones going out later have the advantage when the track cools down. Fastest going out later will put them up front. I prefer luck of the draw for qualifiying position.

The Chase- totally disagree with this alltogether, dump the chase as most fans want. The old points system, similar to the new one, paid points for consistency throughout the entire season and the most consistant would win the title, as it should be.
This pipe dream of a game 7 type thing has only happened 2 maybe 3 times in the past 20 years chase or no chase.

Legnth of races and other stuff- leave it alone. If people can't handle a 4 hour race then don't watch or don't attend.

Just my opinion
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How many guys will see sandbagging in practice to get a later qualifying spot when the track is better?
 
MRM said:
How many guys will see sandbagging in practice to get a later qualifying spot when the track is better?
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I thought they were going to invert the field. In other words, the fastest driver during practice would be the last to qualify.
 
I'm 19th in points, 2-3 hundred+ points behind 10th. I stayed out under caution and won a rain shortened race. I take the 11th spot on the chase bumping that guy to 12th and the original 12th place finisher out?? Remember that 12th place finisher has won more points than me but doesn't have a win. But he's been more consistent, finishing higher.

This should be called the "Harvick screw job positions"

Told you before, he's going to keep fixing until it's broken beyond repair.
 
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