The Chase?

Do you like the chase?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 46.9%

  • No

    Votes: 17 53.1%
  • Total voters
    32
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Just curious about who here likes the chase, who doesn't, and why or why not? I've seen a lot of people saying the chase ruined NASCAR or that it messes up the season etc..

I just don't get why all you guys hate the chase so much... do you hate the playoffs in football too? By this logic the super bowl or the world series must really send you guys into a frenzy lol. The chase is great imo .. u fight for 26 races to make the chase.. then your in the playoffs just like any other sport, and you fight for a championship... who cares if u lose ur lead and all that.. if u did well enough youll still have a lead and if ur good enough youll still have a good shot to win the championship. Plus how does it not make things more exciting for everyone? Its not like someone is gona come from 13th pace in 10 races to win the championship anyway.. and it brings the field closer together to see who's really ready to make a run at it.. it demands perfection, which is something any championship team should have. I get that a lot of you old timers just don't like change or something... but its got to be better watching 12 guys fight for 10 races to end the season than to have maybe 2 or 3 battle down to the wire.

Now my opinion is somewhat biased because I never saw a season without a chase. It's always been an exciting part of the season. The loooong season that I could imagine could use that boost of excitement toward the end for all the casual fans. I`m thinking that's what started the chase. Am I right?

I just want some peoples opinions on this matter. I want to see why you guys hate it so much. Try to sway me lol.
 
In a couple of hours it'll be 2-22 with a bunch of moaning to boot.
 
No need to try and sway anyone. Nothing is about the change. You can put me down for a no vote.

In my case, I've watched many more years of the pre-Chase era than I have of the current system. I always liked that the system rewarded the best driver over the season. I'm simply not a fan of rewarding a driver that has the best 10 race season. I understand the reasoning behind the creation of the Chase and what it is meant to do but I prefer the way it used to be. Nothing wrong with that.

This is NASCAR. It has nothing to do with any other sport. Their playoff systems were designed like they are a long, long time ago. I don't have a problem with any of them because that's the way I've always known them to be.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
No need to try and sway anyone. Nothing is about the change. You can put me down for a no vote.

In my case, I've watched many more years of the pre-Chase era than I have of the current system. I always liked that the system rewarded the best driver over the season. I'm simply not a fan of rewarding a driver that has the best 10 race season. I understand the reasoning behind the creation of the Chase and what it is meant to do but I prefer the way it used to be. Nothing wrong with that.

This is NASCAR. It has nothing to do with any other sport. Their playoff systems were designed like they are a long, long time ago. I don't have a problem with any of them because that's the way I've always known them to be.
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Yeah that's probably why I like the chase so much like I said. I just like the way it presents a further challenge to the eventual champion toward the end of the season. Makes em earn it more I think.. you know?
 
With a big lead like JJ has now.. he could go on to be able to have terrible finishes with only a few races to go... that's not possible with the chase, I think that's the way it should be.. like I said it demands perfection, which is something the championship winning team should be able to show.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
No need to try and sway anyone. Nothing is about the change. You can put me down for a no vote.

In my case, I've watched many more years of the pre-Chase era than I have of the current system. I always liked that the system rewarded the best driver over the season. I'm simply not a fan of rewarding a driver that has the best 10 race season. I understand the reasoning behind the creation of the Chase and what it is meant to do but I prefer the way it used to be. Nothing wrong with that.

This is NASCAR. It has nothing to do with any other sport. Their playoff systems were designed like they are a long, long time ago. I don't have a problem with any of them because that's the way I've always known them to be.
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So its change you have a problem with?..... :D
I don't really like change myself but I do like how the chase makes the last 10 races more exciting. If everyone knows the rules of the first 26 races and the rules and bonus point system for chase and they start the season with those parameters in mind ....how can anybody be disadvantaged by the chase?
 
A champion is the driver with the best season. Yes that includes one win a a whole lotta top 5s. Kenseth didn't ruin anything, NASCAR did. 10 races do not determine a champion, 36 do. What kind of playoff system allows the irrelevant teams to still compete? The system is botched. Being back the old points system with the current way of receiving points.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
A champion is the driver with the best season. Yes that includes one win a a whole lotta top 5s. Kenseth didn't ruin anything, NASCAR did. 10 races do not determine a champion, 36 do. What kind of playoff system allows the irrelevant teams to still compete? The system is botched. Being back the old points system with the current way of receiving points.
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And the moaning begins.....:p

What kind of playoff system allows the irrelevant teams to still compete?...Nascars. :D
 
If you're having a stellar season and you're in the points lead by say 100 pts and you've won 5 races - you see that lead cut in half by chase time. You'd feel kind of screwed wouldn't you?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
If you're having a stellar season and you're in the points lead by say 100 pts and you've won 5 races - you see that lead cut in half by chase time. You'd feel kind of screwed wouldn't you?
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Unless you were good.
 
NO. In My Opinion for our sport it's just plain stupid, Sorry DP I'm just not as PC as you.
 
Clutch said:
Unless you were good.
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Well that's my point.. they know what it is. The goal is to make the playoffs, and then to be flawless from there, better than the best of the rest. Maybe I think that way because Im Canadian and grew up a hockey fan? lol It just seems better to me.

I'm also wondering. Are there any people in here that were NASCAR fans before the chase was around and like the chase more? Or any who have only seen the chase but would prefer to see it the original way?
 
You know, I actually had to give this some thought and I think that I do. So, yes.

If people are upset with Johnson now, imagine how singed they'd be if there was no chase :eek:
 
Champions since 2004 if the chase didn't exist:
2004: Jeff Gordon
2005: Tony Stewart*
2006: Jimmie Johnson*
2007: Jeff Gordon
2008: Carl Edwards
2009: Jimmie Johnson*
2010: Kevin Harvick
2011: Carl Edwards
2012: Brad Keselowski*
* = Drivers who won under the chase format that would've won without it

I'd rather drivers who are best all year win the championship than drivers who are best in only 10 races win the championship.

This is NASCAR, not a ball and stick sport. We don't need a playoff system. We were fine for many years without one.
 
First of all I dont hate it but I dont much like it either. I'm indifferent and can co-exist with the Chase.

With that said, comparing the chase to any other playoff system just doesn't work. No other sport lets 32 other teams compete while another group fights for the championship. Its a faulty system that does not work in terms of fairness.

And also, the best season is being the best team all year round, not just the last ten. There is no stepping it up in the last ten. How do you step it up when you're at the mercy of 32 other drivers not screwing you?

I'll even use Gordon for my next example..

Even though Gordon was in the chase, this applies to anyone seeking payback, this could have been any other drivers that took out a driver that could have challenged for a championship If you want to imititate other sports then take the 12 drivers and let them sort it out amongs themselves. I know, its adsurd to only have 12 drivers running but so its the chase format.

There are 7 games in a playoff series which means you can lose 3 games and still have a chance to advance. In NASCAR, specially with the new point system if you have just one mediocre race you are done.

There are just too many variables in NASCAR for a "playoff" format to work properly.
 
In My Opinion if there was no chase they would race harder every race to the very end because there would be no reset, you want fans back then dump the chase.
 
reck said:
First of all I dont hate it but I dont much like it either. I'm indifferent and can co-exist with the Chase.

With that said, comparing the chase to any other playoff system just doesn't work. No other sport lets 32 other teams compete while another group fights for the championship. Its a faulty system that does not work in terms of fairness.

And also, the best season is being the best team all year round, not just the last ten. There is no stepping it up in the last ten. How do you step it up when you're at the mercy of 32 other drivers not screwing you?

I'll even use Gordon for my next example..

Even though Gordon was in the chase, this applies to anyone seeking payback, this could have been any other drivers that took out a driver that could have challenged for a championship If you want to imititate other sports then take the 12 drivers and let them sort it out amongs themselves. I know, its adsurd to only have 12 drivers running but so its the chase format.

There are 7 games in a playoff series which means you can lose 3 games and still have a chance to advance. In NASCAR, specially with the new point system if you have just one mediocre race you are done.

There are just too many variables in NASCAR for a "playoff" format to work properly.
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This.
 
I dont hate the chase but I would rather all races count toward the total without the reset. With incremental or progressively higher bonuses for finishing in the top 10/ top 5/ top3/ and for the winner.

That way the driver who is consistently the best or finishing near the front most of the year will almost always be the champion.

One other note: I do respect every chase champion, they won it fair and square. Harvick and RCR going back to Dales wrangler days has been my favourite team, but you will not hear me claiming they were cheated in 2010. The criteria was set and they simply didnt meet it, end of story.
 
I like the chase, but only because I am used to it ;)
 
NO, HELL NO
The original system was setup for the most consistent driver throughout the entire year to win it.
Playoff systems in sports are just fine when all the others are eliminated during the regular season.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
With a big lead like JJ has now.. he could go on to be able to have terrible finishes with only a few races to go... that's not possible with the chase, I think that's the way it should be.. like I said it demands perfection, which is something the championship winning team should be able to show.
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Where did that huge lead go???
 
Let's remember why the Chase was introduced: an attempt to reduce the loss of TV viewers being drained off by football. I guess the theory was that people, especially casual viewers, would rather watch any sport's 'playoffs' than any other's regular season.

Well, it didn't work and it isn't going to work. Nothing tops football in the US; that's just reality. I don't begrudge those who won titles under the Chase format; they earned their trophies under the rules in effect at the time. But there's no reason to continue it.
 
I can take it or leave it but would sure rather leave it. Carl would have won two titles under the old system...pretty cool.
 
The NW & truck series are a good testament to how you can have an exciting championship battle without NASCAR ****** it all up.
 
I can take it or leave it. On the plus side, they have improved it since it's inception. The first improvement was ranking the chase drivers at the start of the chase base on number of wins. That brought back the importance of wins throughout the season. And while I was miffed that they increased it to 12 drivers, it was good that they changed it so that, to get in, those must be drivers with wins, not just drivers that happen to be in the top 12. Every sport there is has made changes throughout their existence, and NASCAR is no different. And no scoring or points system will ever make everyone happy. So sit back, enjoy it as it is, and let the points fall where they may. Root for your favorite driver, boo for your least favorite.
 
The thing I dislike the most about the chase system is that nascar has divided the history of the sport by implementing a 10 race shoot out to determine the championship.

It's true that nascar has had many different point system through the years. But even with different point systems the championship went to the team that accumulated the most points over the entire season.

In my mind the saddest part of the chase system is that you can't compare historic past champions to some chase champions unless they did what champions of the past did... accumulate the most points over the entire season.

One of the reasoning for the chase system was that fans lost interest in nascar racing when a team had a massive point lead heading towards the end of the season. That makes me think nascar didn't know their fan base very well. My friends and I watched every race no matter what the point standing were until the very last race, because we loved racing. The point standing had nothing to do with our interest in watching the nascar race.

I still watch every race, but I don't take nascar racing as seriously as I once did. To me it's more of a reality show these days that a real sport because of the silly chase system.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
Champions since 2004 if the chase didn't exist:
2004: Jeff Gordon
2005: Tony Stewart*
2006: Jimmie Johnson*
2007: Jeff Gordon
2008: Carl Edwards
2009: Jimmie Johnson*
2010: Kevin Harvick
2011: Carl Edwards
2012: Brad Keselowski*
* = Drivers who won under the chase format that would've won without it

I'd rather drivers who are best all year win the championship than drivers who are best in only 10 races win the championship.

This is NASCAR, not a ball and stick sport. We don't need a playoff system. We were fine for many years without one.
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I'm still angry and bitter about 2010. :mad:
 
Brian France has to go. he has ruined Nascar. The chase is a pile of crap. If you want a "playoff" you have to weed the riff raff, but oh no, cannot do that, we have obligations from sponsors, guess what it has come down to the mighty $$$$$$$$$$. If you want spices go eat curry, the chase has not spiced up anything, but Brian Frances pocketbook.
 
36 race chase would be fine with me. no artificial excitement needed.
 
I don't mind the top drivers competing for the Cup over ten races using a second point system, but positions 2 on back should be for the full 36 race season using the current point system.
 
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