This whole black flagging of the tandem thing in Nationwide/Truck Races

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Yet another subjective rule that will end up causing more debate than the act itself. How do they possible police something like this. When is a tandem a tandem?

Last lap..... They're running in a straight line..... The third place driver pulls out to pass with the fourth place driver joining him..... They pull by the first position in time to cross the start/finish line first. Illegal? Who the heck knows? I guess we'll find out in Feb.

Dumb rule. Let em race to be the fastest to the finish no matter what it takes.
 
I heard Bob Pockrass say this will cut down on wrecks because the drivers will have more time to react.

Like the time it takes to travel 8 feet at 180 MPH is going to make any difference. Sheesh!
 
Smoke14 said:
I heard Bob Pockrass say this will cut down on wrecks because the drivers will have more time to react.

Like the time it takes to travel 8 feet at 180 MPH is going to make any difference. Sheesh!
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Aren't the wrecks what most fans hope for along with some good tandem drafting? NASCAR- Ruining the minor series two steps at a time :youliketh
 
Good riddance to a stupid and dangerous way to race. Most of the fans hated it so NASCAR is getting rid of it.
 
TV timeouts and now a shot clock where you have to quit following within 10 seconds.
 
From the sound of it the new cooling system package isnt going to allow tandem anyway, the cars will be overheating if they even follow another car :(

I imagine all hell will break loose on the last lap though and there will be pissed off drivers and fans and most likely a bunch of wrecked cars as usual
 
This is stupid... they have to run 100% right? So then why do they make them let off the gas if theyre going too fast? Stupid... this is gona end up with so much drama just like JJ's restart at Dover... or multiple others... "Oh.. this guy did it and he's not a super star so he gets black flagged... Hey look! Kyle Busch is tandem drafting down the entire back stretch into turn 3.. aaaaaah no big deal he only gave him a bump".....
 
I hate that they even tried to get rid of the tandem.. it was clearly the evolution of racing that brought them to that point.. like it or not that's what it came down to, that's the way to get the most out of the cars, which... now correct me if im wrong here... but I think that's the point of racing... to get the most speed you can out of your cars? Now.. I duno about you guys but the times they let the guys talk on the radios during the races.... were the best plate races Ive ever seen.. yeah sure its not the 1991 Daytona 500 and it might piss the purists off but if tandem is faster than pack racing and creates more leaders and (imo) better racing... then that's the way it should be done... instead of going with the natural evolution of the cars and the racing they let the fans voices be heard and all of a sudden were given the Snoozefest 500.. I really hope whatever they did to the cars over the past year makes for better racing.. but I doubt it.. its not the cars that make these guys line up single file for 198 laps... its the fact that everyone knows u don't win on lap 75.... and if u do something stupid u wont finish.. sooooooo... let em tandem.. at least then they don't have much of a choice but to fly by the guy in front of them.

And now they're gona go aead and ruin the NNS and trucks by not letting them draft... I hope it wont be as stupid as I think it will be but did we not have some of the best plate races in the past 2 years over on the NNS and CWTS side? I know the last 2 years the trucks and nns races at Daytona have been waaaay better than the cup races.. Im not sure what to expect in this .. and I hope its not as stupid as I think it will be. Either way Ill be watching every lap with a beer in one hand and a big foam finger on the other lol I just think they need to leave these guys alone and just let em race... I still don't get what was wrong with the NNS package from last year.. a little pack racing .. a little tandem.. it was the best of both worlds and not will most likely produce a winner that will be black flagged. I want to rant more but Ive decided to give up on it...


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I wonder how theyll ruin Bristol again this year lol grind up the bottom line?


Well I guess one thing that's good... maybe.. is the intermediate package and the things Ive heard about it.. hopefully that will make the majority of the season better. If not then were doomed lol.... maybe they should just give drivers points for leading laps.. 1 lap lead = 1 point... race! :D
 
Smoke14 said:
I heard Bob Pockrass say this will cut down on wrecks because the drivers will have more time to react.

Like the time it takes to travel 8 feet at 180 MPH is going to make any difference. Sheesh!
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LOL I would think that being in the middle of a pack would create more wrecks when you look at all the rookies out there... do they not realize with the tandem they have more space from the group.. Id rather wreck with one car then 20
 
Kyle18fan said:
From the sound of it the new cooling system package isnt going to allow tandem anyway, the cars will be overheating if they even follow another car :(

I imagine all hell will break loose on the last lap though and there will be pissed off drivers and fans and most likely a bunch of wrecked cars as usual
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If they don't want tandems they better hope they engineered it out of the cars. I know the grille opening is down to 2x20 now, and they also removed the dog ears so the cars don't punch such a big hole in the air. Just telling them "don't do that" isn't going to work.
 
funny how everyone cried fowl with tandems and now are saying they want them back. the cup cars are going to have the same package they had last year, a tad more spoiler for stability is all. I personally didn't have a problem with the tandems it made for an interesting change in racing.
 
The more I think about the rule the more asinine I find it to be. When it comes down to the end of the race NASCAR is now basically asking them not to give 100%. If two cars get a run on the field or another driver out front they'll be asked to separate or risk a penalty. How do you do separate without leaving off the gas? Maybe there will be a new rule forthcoming that will require the lead car in the temporary tandem to give it 110% to pull away from the pusher?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
The more I think about the rule the more asinine I find it to be. When it comes down to the end of the race NASCAR is now basically asking them not to give 100%. If two cars get a run on the field or another driver out front they'll be asked to separate or risk a penalty. How do you do separate without leaving off the gas? Maybe there will be a new rule forthcoming that will require the lead car in the temporary tandem to give it 110% to pull away from the pusher?
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Yep, every time I try to rationalize it I look like this.

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Kyle18fan said:
From the sound of it the new cooling system package isnt going to allow tandem anyway, the cars will be overheating if they even follow another car :(

I imagine all hell will break loose on the last lap though and there will be pissed off drivers and fans and most likely a bunch of wrecked cars as usual
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Yep...once again Nascar chooses to put a band aid on a ongoing problem, which most likely will result in a lot of controversey and torn up cars.
 
After watching last years Daytona 500, I'd take the tandem racing back in a heartbeat.

As for the new rule, I agree that it's entirely subjective and sounds like a stupid idea. Seems to me NASCAR is unnecessarily trying to create pack racing because they perceive it to be more desirable to the fair weather fans. I want to see a good show with hard racing and lots of passing. From what we've seen lately, there won't be much of either if the drivers can't hook up and get a run on the guys in front of them.
 
why does nascar think tandem racing is bad for racing? I'm not understanding this. I see nothing wrong with it.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
funny how everyone cried fowl with tandems and now are saying they want them back. the cup cars are going to have the same package they had last year, a tad more spoiler for stability is all. I personally didn't have a problem with the tandems it made for an interesting change in racing.
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Unfortunately, tandem fans seem to be the minority. I'm not sure why though - tandem racing gave us some great finishes, including arguably the greatest ever at Talladega in 2011. The last few spring Daytona Nationwide finishes have been spectacular, Larson's incident excluded. Regan Smith's win at Talladega last year probably would not have happened in a pack race. And I'm fairly certain some drivers (Carl Edwards comes to mind) have said tandem racing is more difficult than pack racing.
 
Zerkfitting said:
What is the rule and why is it different from Cup?
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DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. – NASCAR officials will penalize teams in two of its three national series this season for what is commonly known as "tandem drafting."

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Robin Pemberton, vice president of competition for NASCAR, said Nationwide and Camping World Truck Series teams were told of the change last year.

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"They can draft," Pemberton said Saturday at Daytona. "We worked on the cars, worked on the cooling (systems), the spring package, the spoiler, in an effort to help separate (the cars) a little bit.

"You can bump draft; you can bump draft a guy up (through the field), but you can’t hook up on the bumper and just lay on the bumper. So far what we’ve seen today has been pretty good."

If it is determined that teams are using the tandem draft during a NASCAR race, the teams in question will be black-flagged. If the infraction occurs during practice, the teams will be black-flagged and their times disallowed. Practice session times are used to determine the starting lineup when qualifying is cancelled due to inclement weather.
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http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...ty-nationwide-camping-world-truck-series.html
 
FLRacingFan said:
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...ty-nationwide-camping-world-truck-series.html
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"You can bump draft a guy (up through the field), but you can't hook up on the bumper and just lay on the bumper"

I don't understand where the distinction between the two will be made. You're going to be laying on the bumper if you want to get up through the field.

This just sounds like more micro-managing by an over zealous sanctioning body, to control the racing product as they see fit.
 
getting to be like F-1 or indycar where we all wait for "Race Control" to make a ruling....so much for boys have at it. Unfortunately we have a whole bunch of administrators and fans who can't wait for more rules and bureaucracy to make them feel better and in control. So far it is limited to restrictor plate tracks, hope that crap doesn't spread any farther.
 
I don't like tandem racing but it's how those cars go the fastest. Policing that is totally compromising the integrity of the racing. bull**** rule.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I hate that they even tried to get rid of the tandem.. it was clearly the evolution of racing that brought them to that point.. like it or not that's what it came down to, that's the way to get the most out of the cars, which... now correct me if im wrong here... but I think that's the point of racing... to get the most speed you can out of your cars? Now.. I duno about you guys but the times they let the guys talk on the radios during the races.... were the best plate races Ive ever seen.. yeah sure its not the 1991 Daytona 500 and it might piss the purists off but if tandem is faster than pack racing and creates more leaders and (imo) better racing... then that's the way it should be done... instead of going with the natural evolution of the cars and the racing they let the fans voices be heard and all of a sudden were given the Snoozefest 500.. I really hope whatever they did to the cars over the past year makes for better racing.. but I doubt it.. its not the cars that make these guys line up single file for 198 laps... its the fact that everyone knows u don't win on lap 75.... and if u do something stupid u wont finish.. sooooooo... let em tandem.. at least then they don't have much of a choice but to fly by the guy in front of them.

And now they're gona go aead and ruin the NNS and trucks by not letting them draft... I hope it wont be as stupid as I think it will be but did we not have some of the best plate races in the past 2 years over on the NNS and CWTS side? I know the last 2 years the trucks and nns races at Daytona have been waaaay better than the cup races.. Im not sure what to expect in this .. and I hope its not as stupid as I think it will be. Either way Ill be watching every lap with a beer in one hand and a big foam finger on the other lol I just think they need to leave these guys alone and just let em race... I still don't get what was wrong with the NNS package from last year.. a little pack racing .. a little tandem.. it was the best of both worlds and not will most likely produce a winner that will be black flagged. I want to rant more but Ive decided to give up on it...


Also...

I wonder how theyll ruin Bristol again this year lol grind up the bottom line?


Well I guess one thing that's good... maybe.. is the intermediate package and the things Ive heard about it.. hopefully that will make the majority of the season better. If not then were doomed lol.... maybe they should just give drivers points for leading laps.. 1 lap lead = 1 point... race! :D
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dare I say it? err...okay...this is spot on.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
funny how everyone cried fowl with tandems and now are saying they want them back. the cup cars are going to have the same package they had last year, a tad more spoiler for stability is all. I personally didn't have a problem with the tandems it made for an interesting change in racing.
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I know that Andy, I, and a few others never cried foul against tandem racing.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Unfortunately, tandem fans seem to be the minority. I'm not sure why though - tandem racing gave us some great finishes, including arguably the greatest ever at Talladega in 2011. The last few spring Daytona Nationwide finishes have been spectacular, Larson's incident excluded. Regan Smith's win at Talladega last year probably would not have happened in a pack race. And I'm fairly certain some drivers (Carl Edwards comes to mind) have said tandem racing is more difficult than pack racing.
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I am of firm belief that the Jr fans were against Tandem racing because all Jr ever did was push Johnson. Jr fans are the majority and were heard more by Nascar. If Jr was dominating tandem racing we would still be seeing it today. Now this isnt all Jr fans, but I think most.
 
A brilliant move. They just need to set up a small explosive that dead-end-ates the engines of any two drivers that conspires to go faster than the rest of the field.

Pembeeton needs to get the R&D going for the engine grenades, that will be better for the show, than Boring Black flags.

Aside from the three aleins that are perpetually oppressing me, I am not a conspiracy nut. But this rule is to subjective and it unintentionally establishes race manipulation. I really dont think Nascar tries to cherry pick the winners, but somebody will be able to credibly make the case when this rule is enforced.
 
Greg said:
A brilliant move. They just need to set up a small explosive that dead-end-ates the engines of any two drivers that conspires to go faster than the rest of the field.

Pembeeton needs to get the R&D going for the engine grenades, that will be better for the show, than Boring Black flags.

Aside from the three aleins that are perpetually oppressing me, I am not a conspiracy nut. But this rule is to subjective and it unintentionally establishes race manipulation. I really dont think Nascar tries to cherry pick the winners, but somebody will be able to credibly make the case when this rule is enforced.
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Yup, between my beloved 24's gift in the chase and this, it doesn't feel a whole lot like racing.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
dare I say it? err...okay...this is spot on.
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No....it was not the best racing and it was created due to the fact that Nascar had a rules package which created it. If the cars were allowed to get away from each other we wouldn't have pack racing or tandem, we would have true racing and the fastest car would win. Yet Nascar insists on not really fixing the problem, it has been this way since Bobby Allison went into the catch fence at Dega.....and have RPs solved that problem....ummm no!
 
Greg said:
A brilliant move. They just need to set up a small explosive that dead-end-ates the engines of any two drivers that conspires to go faster than the rest of the field.

Pembeeton needs to get the R&D going for the engine grenades, that will be better for the show, than Boring Black flags.

Aside from the three aleins that are perpetually oppressing me, I am not a conspiracy nut. But this rule is to subjective and it unintentionally establishes race manipulation. I really dont think Nascar tries to cherry pick the winners, but somebody will be able to credibly make the case when this rule is enforced.
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Sorry to hear about those aliens Greg. I use aluminum foil to mess up their signals, just cover everything you own with it and all will be well. be sure to cut eye holes so you can see where you are going and to watch Nascar of course :rolleyes:
 
Radio Transcript from a future RP race:

Cooter Johnsons Jrs the IIIs: "Mr Race Controller me and Dingleberries in the #01 run real good together, can I keep drafting with him?".

RC: "negative you have already drafted with him for 3/4 of lap. Do you want a black flag? Now move around and follow a car from each brand for at least a half of a lap, but no more than 3/4 of a lap, and no Dingleberry for the next 10.

CJjrs III: " I love you and Brian, ™Nascar has been very very good to me".

RC: "Good now quit messing around and gives us our 100 percent"
 
I don't like tandem racing. It's a style of racing that seems more like tag-team racing. It's less about a team and more about a team mate.
 
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