This whole black flagging of the tandem thing in Nationwide/Truck Races

Zerkfitting said:
I don't like tandem racing. It's a style of racing that seems more like tag-team racing. It's less about a team and more about a team mate.
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I dont like tandem drafting either, or even teams. I like the idea on one car racing against 42 other adversaries that give and take no quarter.

But enforcing matters at least tandems will be difficult or almost impossible.
 
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If the new rules prevent stuff like this then I am good with it.
 
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Mr. Gregory said:
I'm with you, but I'm not too optimistic about that happening. As long as these cars (and trucks) continue to race in packs, these types of wrecks will continue.
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The real issue is that Daytona and Talladega, as important to the sport's history as they are, are gigantic dinosaurs. Even with plates they're faster than every track except Michigan.
 
FLRacingFan said:
The real issue is that Daytona and Talladega, as important to the sport's history as they are, are gigantic dinosaurs. Even with plates they're faster than every track except Michigan.
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Yeah man, pretty much. I probably won't score any points with anyone for saying this but I'd be totally fine with them dropping those two tracks off the schedule entirely. The only redeeming factor about them for me is that anyone can win there.
 
I am going to wait and see how this works before I get too concerned about it. It could turn out better racing, stranger things have happened.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
I'm with you, but I'm not too optimistic about that happening. As long as these cars (and trucks) continue to race in packs, these types of wrecks will continue.
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Fixed that for you. ;)

There's really nothing that they'll ever do to prevent wrecks of that magnitude on these restrictor plate tracks or most any other track for that matter. As long as there are two or more cars on the track they are bound to run into each other sooner or later.

I just think that this will be an impossible rule to police. It'll cause plenty of controversy on down the road. Similar to the pass under the yellow line.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Fixed that for you. ;)

There's really nothing that they'll ever do to prevent wrecks of that magnitude on these restrictor plate tracks or most any other track for that matter. As long as there are two or more cars on the track they are bound to run into each other sooner or later.

I just think that this will be an impossible rule to police. It'll cause plenty of controversy on down the road. Similar to the pass under the yellow line.
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Yep, answer D all of the above.
 
wildcard: unfortunately racing technology has surpassed track design. jmo, but once upon a time engine builders created horsepower and drivers provided throttle control. that was racing. now, especially on the big tracks, it's hold the pedal to the floor, everyone has the same engines, tires only fail if you run over something, so it's up to the aero engineers to go fast. talent optional.

time to go back to the short track roots.

jmo:D
 
Kyle18fan said:
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If the new rules prevent stuff like this then I am good with it.
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The worst part of that wreck wasn't caused by pack racing. Kyle kept his foot on the gas after he lost the steering and rammed the inside wall. Gotta love his will to win, but that was dumb and put others at unnecessary risk.
 
FenderBumper said:
The worst part of that wreck wasn't caused by pack racing. Kyle kept his foot on the gas after he lost the steering and rammed the inside wall. Gotta love his will to win, but that was dumb and put others at unnecessary risk.
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I might be wrong but I thought someone else started that wreck ??? My point was that tandem drafting was going on when this wreck happened
 
FenderBumper said:
Yep, but.......
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But if they hadnt been doing the tandem thing would this wreck have happened ??
These "big ones" happen too often on the superspeedways, I hope they figure out something to stop it -------------- I dont think the new rules will stop it
 
Kyle18fan said:
But if they hadnt been doing the tandem thing would this wreck have happened ??
These "big ones" happen too often on the superspeedways, I hope they figure out something to stop it -------------- I dont think the new rules will stop it
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I agree, but Kyle running himself into a wall to try and bounce across the finish line is a poor example. Regan Smith or Tony blocking and wrecking the field would be bad examples too. Other than guys doing dumb things because 'they had to' while in the tandem, that form of racing put an end to 'the big one'. Since nascar used cooling to end tandem racing, we don't even see pack racing because the cars over heat if they are closer than 3 feet.

It's one of the reasons I decided not to buy 500 tickets and take in the duels, truck and NW races. The cup cars just can't put on a show.
 
FenderBumper said:
I agree, but Kyle running himself into a wall to try and bounce across the finish line is a poor example. Regan Smith or Tony blocking and wrecking the field would be bad examples too. Other than guys doing dumb things because 'they had to' while in the tandem, that form of racing put an end to 'the big one'. Since nascar used cooling to end tandem racing, we don't even see pack racing because the cars over heat if they are closer than 3 feet.

It's one of the reasons I decided not to buy 500 tickets and take in the duels, truck and NW races. The cup cars just can't put on a show.
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Not sure why but I enjoyed the tandem style of racing in the NW and truck series but hated it in the cup series. I am afraid they have ruined the show with the cooling system mods, what a dumb way to fix a problem IMO
To me the daytona NW was the best race too watch, not to see wrecks but I liked the way they raced
 
Kyle18fan said:
Not sure why but I enjoyed the tandem style of racing in the NW and truck series but hated it in the cup series. I am afraid they have ruined the show with the cooling system mods, what a dumb way to fix a problem IMO
To me the daytona NW was the best race too watch, not to see wrecks but I liked the way they raced
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I think all they had to do was take away those fancy 20 channel cup radios and raise the rear bumpers. Instead, they mandate $20,000 in cooling system changes. Dumb asses. Lets limit the cooling capacity while racing in Daytona, Florida.
 
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FenderBumper said:
I think all they had to do was take away those fancy 20 channel cup radios and raise the rear bumpers. Instead, they mandate $20,000 in cooling system changes. Dumb asses. Lets limit the cooling capacity while racing in Daytona, Florida.
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They spend 5or6 thousand dollars on super efficient radiators and then limit the amount of air flow to them :rolleyes:
 
Kyle18fan said:
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They spend 5or6 thousand dollars on super efficient radiators and then limit the amount of air flow to them :rolleyes:
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Wouldn't an electric clutch on the water pump and a bumper bar switch be cheaper? Start pushing, and the water pump clutch disengages and temps rise. Then they would be able to pack race on hot days, as long as they don't push for more than a few seconds. They would quickly get back to BUMP drafting.
 
FenderBumper said:
Wouldn't an electric clutch on the water pump and a bumper bar switch be cheaper? Start pushing, and the water pump clutch disengages and temps rise. Then they would be able to pack race on hot days, as long as they don't push for more than a few seconds. They would quickly get back to BUMP drafting.
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LOL !!! I dont know if you are serious or not but that aint a half bad idea !!!!
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FenderBumper said:
Just an idea. It's sure better than mandating a non-cooling cooling system in a region that can have air temps of 70 degrees or 90 degrees on race day.
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I live in Arizona and do modifications on heavy equipment so they can handle the high ambient temperatures here, limiting the air flow and reducing cooling system pressures are not effective :laugh:
 
These boys signed up to race & they know the risks they are taking.
 
FenderBumper said:
Wouldn't an electric clutch on the water pump and a bumper bar switch be cheaper? Start pushing, and the water pump clutch disengages and temps rise. Then they would be able to pack race on hot days, as long as they don't push for more than a few seconds. They would quickly get back to BUMP drafting.
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:D:D
 
Put a pressure switch on the front bumper that will kill the ignition if you touch another car, this will result in a huge multi-car pileup. The peasants will rejoice and applaud loudly :headbang:
 
...and NASCAR creeps closer and closer to the sport of figure skating. "well she did fall down on all of her jumps, but the degree of difficulty was higher, so she got the gold medal anyway".

controversy, controversy, controversy....."thanks for attending todays race, be sure to check the sports section in your local paper tomorrow to find out who won...drive safely!"
 
They should just put a pressure switch on the bumpers that kills the motor
 
I've been saying this for years.....there is a simple solution to the RP problem and Nascar might finally address it. By reducing the the size of the motors you can reduce the horsepower. The cars need to get away from each other, they need throttle response, reduce the HP to around 400 on the plate tracks with no restriction, they will run in the high 180s low 190s, plenty fast enough. You will see these cars draft better and be able to get away from each other, go back to the original cooling system, and give them the full spoiler they run on the rest of the tracks. If you look at the racing back in the 70s, the cars never ran in huge packs, there were usually 2 or 3 groups that lined up and would draft, this is the way racing should be at Dega and Daytona. Not the cluster F" we have had for the past 26 years. Band aids don't work on a hemorage!
 
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