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does anyone believe joe can survive the scandal he SHOULD have reported to the police years ago?

his copout of reporting to superiors at penn state is disgusting. a crime was reported to him and he essentially did nothing. yes, he told his superiors, who didn't do a damn thing. does that relieve him of his responsibility to report a crime to the police? oh yeah, he kept the alleged perpretator on his staff. way to go joe! you've lost all the respect earned while coaching at penn state.
 
I don't think he'll survive. I'd also like to know why the guy who reported the actions to him didn't go to the police when he saw nothing was being done.
 
I dont think there is anyway he can survive this. He should have gone to the police.
 
He didn't see it himself someone else told him, there is no way to know what that person said to him. Why didn't that guy go to the police hmm? Why not bring the crap down on him. Its sad how a great man like JoePa was made the scapegoat cause he is the big name.
 
He didn't see it himself someone else told him, there is no way to know what that person said to him. Why didn't that guy go to the police hmm? Why not bring the crap down on him. Its sad how a great man like JoePa was made the scapegoat cause he is the big name.

Paterno sacrificed his moral compass for a football team and university reputation. What he did was similar to Bishops in the Catholic Church simply relocated sexual predator priests caught in the act.
Paterno had an obligation to make sure the allegations were properly reported. Instead, he kept the guy on staff and the graduate student? Well, he's been on Paterno's staff ever since. Almost makes me wonder why or if a deal was made to keep him quiet. That is, until he had a choice of committing perjury or telling what he knew.

No matter how much good Paterno did, he put Penn State University and PSU football, ahead of innocent children.

Now, while I'm at it, let me present a different scenario. The NCAA found several violations in the UNC football program. As a result, the assistant coach who was instrumental in the allegations was released. The head football coach, Butch Davis, was let go and the athletic director stepped down to remove any reason of suspicion even though he was never questioned or involved.

At the time, I disagreed with the firings and removals at UNC as being too harsh but after seeing how it began an almost instantaneous establishment of integrity, I began to approve. Since this is a much more egregious situation, nothing less would begin to bring back the good name of an outstanding university.

If Penn State hopes to recover, they must let Paterno go now. Today and not at the end of the season.
A total house cleaning is the only way to bring back any semblance of integrity to Penn State University within a reasonable time frame.
 
It is disgusting what "supposedly" Men will do to stay in power. Someone should have had the gall to step up and shut this guy down, and not worry about the advancment of their careers. Innocence of those young boys to a perverted old geezer and covered up by some selfish coward. They need to be beat with the Perve Sanduskey.
 
Well you all get what you wanted he was just fired:(
 
Well you all get what you wanted he was just fired:(

I haven't heard where he was fired....but, he should be.

I am a big Penn State fan and have been for well over 50 years but what Paterno 'didn't do" is inexcusable.
 
The classiest state in the country shows it's ass again. People protesting the firing of Paterno.

That's typical a**hole Pennsylvania for you -- athletics and the success of a football team is more important than the law and the victims of this scandal.
 
STFU Penn State students, you're getting a college education at one of the best colleges in the country. You already have it better than thousands of children. Get your heads out of your asses and watch the news. CHILDREN WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED:mad: and Paterno allowed it to happen. That's more important than a g.d. football team.

Another reason athletics needs to be removed from educational institutions. Damn kids should study for an exam or something. Christ.
 
Nancy Grace be proud of the scapegoating.
 
Mike Papatonio:

"The students protesting right now should be talking to the families of the victims"

"They were more concerned about a damn football program"

PREACH IT, BROTHA!:beerbang::beerbang:
 
People like you make me cry for our country. You know, I wonder why our generation is seen as a bunch of idiots by people like ferg and my grandparents... then I read your posts and find the answers.

Wow blasted by Andy and Fred in the same day for being everything wrong with the country, I'm honored:rolleyes:
 
it's sad that joepa went out like this. a prime example of a man who's legacy meant more to him than the honor he supposedly stood for. bye joepa, it's a sad day for everyone. one that didn't have to happen this way if your principles were more important than your legacy, now in shambles.
 
He didn't see it himself someone else told him, there is no way to know what that person said to him. Why didn't that guy go to the police hmm? Why not bring the crap down on him. Its sad how a great man like JoePa was made the scapegoat cause he is the big name.

According to latest media reports quoting grand jury testimony (which is supposed to be secret) Mike McQuery(sp?) was notified by a janitor and actually saw the 10 year old being anally molested by Sandusky. McQuery called his father and did not tell Paterno until a day had passed. Paterno sat on it for several days before mentioning it to the a.d., who sat on it two weeks before taking the info to the university president. Apparently no one ever went to the police within that time frame and did not do so until several more weeks had passed. The university president ordered Sandusky have no access to university property as a result of being told the allegations.
Worse, the program started by Sandusky, Second Chance, was notified of the allegations and nothing was done!

kkfan91, no matter how much any love Penn State, there are things of greater significance than the reputation and preservation of the football team or legacy of Joe Paterno. I have sympathy for Joe Paterno. But I have greater sympathy for the children and families of those kids molested. Paterno's legacy will always remind fans of his 48 years as head football coach, 2 national titles and 407 victories. The asterisk marking a footnote detailing his firing will over shadow his remarkable legacy and all the good things he did.

kkfan91, consider this, if you were the father of a 10 year old boy who was molested in the shower by a man 57 years old, and discovered people who had knowledge did nothing or the absolute minimum once made aware, would you still feel as you do now? I seriously doubt it.
 
kkfan91, consider this, if you were the father of a 10 year old boy who was molested in the shower by a man 57 years old, and discovered people who had knowledge did nothing or the absolute minimum once made aware, would you still feel as you do now? I seriously doubt it.

I'm probably speaking for most of the people on this board, but if that 10 year old was my son, Sandusky wouldn't be alive and I would be in jail.

My son is only 4 months old, so I'm new to this whole parenthood thing. With the lack of sleep and our son screaming and crying in the middle of the night, emotions run high around our house sometimes. As I was reading the report yesterday i was almost in tears. All I could think about was my son and what if this had happened to him, how it would effect him, and what i would do about it.

We are supposed to trust our children's teachers and coaches, and then this happens, this was a cover up from the top all the way down to the bottom.

Joe Pa and the school president both needed to be fired, I do believe after the season the rest of the coaching staff will be fired as well. Penn State needs to start clean and with a new culture, a culture that does not include covering for Child Molesters.
 
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I'm for all the people abused because he did not report crimes he knew were going on to the police. I'm glad he's gone.

The classiest state in the country shows it's ass again. People protesting the firing of Paterno.

STFU Penn State students, you're getting a college education at one of the best colleges in the country. You already have it better than thousands of children. Get your heads out of your asses and watch the news. CHILDREN WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED and Paterno allowed it to happen. That's more important than a g.d. football team.

Another reason athletics needs to be removed from educational institutions. Damn kids should study for an exam or something. Christ.

Mike Papatonio:

"The students protesting right now should be talking to the families of the victims"

"They were more concerned about a damn football program"

PREACH IT, BROTHA!


Speaking of the a**hole state of Pennsylvania, here's one of their products.

People like you make me cry for our country. You know, I wonder why our generation is seen as a bunch of idiots by people like ferg and my grandparents... then I read your posts and find the answers.
 
Still I ask, why didn't any of the kids say anything? :confused:
If I was a kid and some older man juggled my twig & berries in the locker room you bet your butt I'd race home and tell my parents...
 
Still I ask, why didn't any of the kids say anything? :confused:
If I was a kid and some older man juggled my twig & berries in the locker room you bet your butt I'd race home and tell my parents...

Embarrassment. It's common that victims of sexual abuse don't come forward.
 
Wow blasted by Andy and Fred in the same day for being everything wrong with the country, I'm honored:rolleyes:

I'm sick of being told my generation is the problem in this country because people like you put sports ahead of everything, feel like they should be rewarded for doing the right thing and there should be no negative repercussions for doing their actions (because they're a great football coach), and feel entitled to everything without having to work for it.

I'm starting to sound like a Republican! :eek::eek::eek:
 
These people show ME the intelligence of COLLEGE STUDENTS PRETTY DAMM STUPID EVEN WITH EDUCATION
 
I'm sick of being told my generation is the problem in this country because people like you put sports ahead of everything, feel like they should be rewarded for doing the right thing and there should be no negative repercussions for doing their actions (because they're a great football coach), and feel entitled to everything without having to work for it.

I'm starting to sound like a Republican! :eek::eek::eek:

I actually don't give 2 craps about college sports. I feel bad for the victims, but Paterno is not the one who deserved to get the crap end of it. I saw a great thing written on it earlier which explains how I feel better then I can type it so I'm going to find that
 
A message to Penn State and the public...by Kevin Fay on Monday, November 7, 2011 at 11:59pm
I am posting this because for those of you who know me you also know that my essential being and person can ultimately be defined in one thing, Penn State. I grew up in a Penn State home, in rural (and I do mean rural) Pennsylvania, dreamed of going to Penn State, went to Penn State, and continue to represent and be an ambassador for the school that has given me so much. The entire Penn State scandal has shaken me all the way to the deepest part of my core. It is very hard for me to put in to words how I feel but I am going to try, so upcoming will be my best attempt. Penn State students and alums, there are special messages at the end for you, so please if nothing else, read them if you are too uncomfortable reading about the rest.



I have decided to make this note a public one, so hopefully some Penn Staters and part of the general public who are confused, misinformed, or just generally have no idea what is going on may read it and it can offer some perspective on the situation that has made the entire nation sick to its stomach. I invite all of you to discuss openly opinions and use this as a forum for awareness and to cultivate a discussion that needs to take place, and to my professor at Penn State, Michelle Rodino-Colocino, you are part of my inspiration for this, thank you for always making it ok to talk about anything.



For those of you who firmly stand in different camps, I salute you, that means you care, however, don't cement yourself in the ground there, things will change, and quickly, so please be open to a change in opinion just as I am. Most of you have VERY STRONG opinions, which is fine, I have tried to temper back my feelings to take a more objective approach. Whether that was successful or not I will leave up to you. Finally, do not attack each other, listen to others opinions and state yours, but no more hate needs to come out of this than there already has, this is America, people are entitled to opinions. If your opinion were the ultimate authority, you would not be reading this post, you would be leading the world, so please remember that while commenting.



I will touch on a variety of topics, starting with the accused and going all the way to addressing Penn State students and Alumni, so bear with me. Not all of you will agree with all I have to say, and that is fine because I am not even close to an expert on the subject, and am probably missing some things in my arguments, but for those of you who don't agree I hope my perspective at least opens up to you a new possibility and makes you think, as well as poses as a starting point for discussion to take place which will help shape my future opinions as well. All of this will undoubtedly change but here are my lengthy initial reactions:



Topic 1-Jerry Sandusky- He is regarded as a phenomenal defensive mind and had a great tenure at Penn State being the DC for two national championship teams. He was around for 32 years on the Penn State coaching staff and during his time was loved by most Penn State football fans for regularly producing an above average defense with at least some degree of NFL level talent somewhere in the starting line-up. He is being accused of sexually assaulting 8 different young boys singled out within his charity The Second Mile. For those of you who read the 23 page Findings of Fact by the Grand Jury you, like myself, are absolutely mortified at the acts he allegedly performed. The acts are beyond grotesque and if they are indeed true there is no punishment grand enough for such a heinous crime. Although Sandusky himself maintains his innocence, (as reiterated by his lawyer already) the evidence is monumentally stacked against him. There is no way that this amount of evidence piles together on accident or coincidence. The only reason I even still type alleged is because due process has not run its course. After reading that graphic novel of a 23-page document, there is no way you can defend him at this juncture. You just can't make that stuff up. Let it run its course, he will get what is coming to him.



Topic 2-Mike Mcqueary Mike is a current wide receiver coach and recruiting coordinator for the Penn State football team, he is the graduate assistant who allegedly in 2002 witnessed Sandusky performing anal sex with a victim approximately 10 years of age in the Lasch Football Building showers. I am so sorry Mike, I cannot imagine what witnessing this can do to someone, especially someone who I am sure looked up to Sandusky (being that he was a former player). Mike immediately left the building and called his father who advised he turn it over to Paterno. He did just that. Mike did what any person who grows up in American society would do, realized he did not know what to do, but went to a trusted person and advisor to seek counsel on the situation. It is standard protocol. In any other situation or environment Mike would have been commended as a hero for what he did in not remaining silent, but we all know this is where failure begins, so he will not be awarded that opportunity. Mike is a victim in this as well, and I would like to say thank you Mike, you did do the right thing in telling someone what you saw, not everyone, including some people who are reading this might have been brave enough to report that. If Mike didn’t tell someone, what would have happened? This could still be going on and no one would know. So if you have reservations on Mike’s actions, be careful with what you say. However, there are some holes in this story that require some more questions.



The difficult questions to ask:

Did you follow up after reporting it? What about after you still saw Sandusky around? I know you are smarter than that, you had to know something wasn’t right. McQueary is more responsible for this than Joe Paterno is, whether you like it or not.

If it something you saw, beyond ANY doubt, how could you ever see Sandusky around the program and not just want to just kill him for what you saw?

After it went through what the AD (who probably signs his checks) called due process, did you question it? Did you think due process was served?



And to the public, if you thought questioning the process of your superior investigating something you saw would endanger your job and financial future, would YOU follow up and push for justice?





Topic 3-Joe Paterno There is very little in this story that I have a stronger opinion on than Joe Paterno. For those of you who think Joe Paterno is to blame and was knowingly covering it up for 15 years, I am sorry but that is something I am not willing to accept at this juncture and there is no real evidence beyond speculation to support that. I read the report, I know what it says, but there is nothing in there to make me believe he knew of it the whole time and just did nothing. He did do something. He reported it to the PROPER people literally the day after he had talked to McQueary. It is then in the hands of Curley, not Joe Paterno. If Joe Paterno had in fact immediately went above his superiors (which has happened before, and in any normal working environment, is NEVER advised) and went straight to the police, the police would have asked him this question, "Did you witness it?" His answer would have been no and they would have worked with McQueary and the parties involved to investigate, so Paterno would be again out of the legal equation. It still would have been a huge story, but Paterno’s integrity would not have been in question. He is REQUIRED since he did not witness said event to turn it over to the proper persons so they may conduct an investigation and decide what the best course of action is. If he did not do so he would be in as much crap as the rest of them. That then falls in the jurisdiction of the Penn State Administration, NOT Joe Paterno. Joe Paterno is a football coach, not a detective, not an investigator. If he truly thought this happened he needed to report it to Penn State authorities because in a work environment it isn't his decision to make, it NEEDED to be investigated by Penn State FIRST before the police, and he IS NOT the person to do that job. While he represents Penn State and IS Penn State, HE IS NOT PENN STATE. There are however, moral implications, and this...



Yes this will unfortunately end Joe Paterno's career in my opinion, not because he is wrong in his actions, and most certainly not because he was covering anything up for the state of the program (I truly do believe that, and if that turns out to be the case, my world will be shattered), but because Paterno has said before that when he starts to become a distraction and hurts the program he will step aside. This will more than likely turn in to that situation because in the court of public opinion he has already been hung. The majority of the pessimistic public thinks this is a MASSIVE cover up from the ground up and some tend to think Paterno was behind it all because he wanted to maintain the positive view of the program. Look, I understand "The Grand Experiment" is important to Joe but Penn Staters and general public alike ask yourself this, Do you HONESTLY think Joe Paterno would hold the state of the program above the welfare of children? There is absolutely no way, you can not hide the fact you are a bad person for 60 YEARS and not have one thing to question your integrity or honesty up to that point then all of a sudden turn back around and hide molestation of children. He has been cooperative and has been cleared by the State (for now) and at this point is not a target, yet he remains a target by the general public and by the media because of the simple fact it happened within Penn State football which is regarded with a squeaky clean image that people outside of Penn State simply can not stand.



For years Paterno has been regarded as an almost God-like figure within the public eye, who stands for everything right in College Football. However, he is in fact human. He cannot see all. I absolutely can see Curley and Schultz telling Paterno (as any HR dept. or administration would) that the matter is being investigated and handled internally, as Paterno was not present at the meeting between McQueary and Curley/Schultz. At this point the matter is between McQueary, Curley, and Schultz. The only thing Paterno can do is say, "Hey Mike, is that situation being taken care of?" To which Mike probably said yes as I am sure he believed it was. Now, all of this happened over spring break, and for those of you who are football fans, you understand after spring break comes spring practice. At this point I am 100% positive both McQueary and Paterno's focus was on spring ball, nothing else. After hearing the incident was reported to the Second Mile and Sandusky's keys were taken away, what could McQueary, or even Paterno really do? In their mind it was being handled, his keys were taken away and he was asked not to bring kids on campus, however the tough question remains,



Did that solve the problem of the boy being raped in the shower?



Short answer, no. And that is what most people struggle with. However, is it entirely out of the realm of possibility to think that Paterno thought it was handled and decided to focus on his job and the football team? No. Now details will soon emerge as to Sandusky's role after this incident in the program and whether he did still bring kids around the program after the incident. (It should be noted that it is generally believed Paterno and Sandusky were not each other’s biggest fans around the time of Jerry’s departure, so contact between the two was most likely minimal if this were the case.) If Paterno was suspicious and Sandusky was around and STILL bringing kids around, he should have reported it, no question, but we don’t know that to be the case for a fact. And none of this means that Paterno knew of what was going on and just turned the other cheek for the sake of the program, and to assume so is, while human, wrong. This system doesn't always get it right, but it does a good majority of the time, so until something happens to tell me other wise, Paterno did nothing more than make a mistake a pretty big mistake in judgment, which we all are subject to. He is not out of the water, but also should not be judged as harshly as he currently is being.



Topic 4- Curley, Schultz, and the Administration By this point we have a pretty clear picture of what their role was, they had a meeting with McQueary, post witnessing the shower and post meeting with Paterno. The Findings of Fact state they met with him and he said he saw something disturbing in the shower involving Sandusky and a little boy. This is where things get hazy, and if in fact they did know more than what they testified, they are at as much fault as anyone else and deserve whatever punishment is coming to them. The media is overlooking them and that sickens me to no end, because they were ultimately the ones who decided to take the course of action that decided the direction of the non-case.



They did not report it to the police, did not review a case in 1998 regarding Sandusky and inappropriate behavior, and allegedly did not know it existed. All they did was revoke his keys and say no more kids on campus, and report it to The Second Mile, which Sandusky is in charge of. Even if they did report it to the Second Mile, what did they think would happen to it once Sandusky found out about it? It would just disappear. They don't have the same pass I give Joe, they don't have the option to pass it up to, IT IS thier job to investigate and report it to the police. This should have consumed their entire being while they investigated and the moment they had more than a reasonable doubt they absolutely should have gone to the police. Why they didn't, I do not know, all I can do is say they are wrong in that manner and I am perplexed at how it didn't end up in the authorities hands. It does however explain a little about some of the things that happened afterwards, like say, how he still had access to Lasch. If he didn't people would ask questions undoubtedly, and answers WOULD have surfaced, there is no doubt this manner was discussed in detail in private, including Spanier, who ultimately had to give his seal of approval, and it is my belief that if there IS any level of cover up, this is where it started. Their actions make no logical sense, unless I am completely missing something. The course of action was to revoke him of his keys and ban him from bringing kids to the locker room while reporting the incident to The Second Mile.



Graham Spanier your time will come in this, as of now your role has been minumum, but we have not forgotten about you. If you knew as much as Curley and Schultz did, you are equally responsible, and deserve the same fate as they do.



Again ask yourself, but how does that solve the problem of the boy who was raped?



Topic 5-The Media The media is where a lot of my disappointment lies. We (I say we because my degree is in Journalism) are supposed to be level headed, the voice of reason, but we live in an age where political opinion effects which news stations we watch and what papers we read because of hidden agendas of the media and our own. I don't care what outlet your get your news from know this-the media is completely missing the point. I get it; you want to be the ones who breaks a story that Joe is leaving, but what about the victims? What about their families? What about the people WHO ARE ACTUALLY ACCUSED OF DOING WRONG? I understand if Paterno was involved in it there is a story there, but until something surfaces why are you talking about it? There are victims here, and all you are doing is potentially creating another one who out of all of them may be the most innocent. Paterno IS part of the story, but there has been nowhere that encompasses the full scope of what has happened aside from A COLLEGE NEWSPAPER.



I am begging you, please get the full story, and please stop calling for heads to roll until you know they in fact should roll.



I have seen enough lives unjustly ruined by the media taking them down. It is beyond a travesty to forever taint a legacy of good with something that “allegedly” happened. The damage has already been done, and if Paterno steps down and is ultimately cleared the media is responsible for ruining the greatest legacy in college sports history. But I’m sure you have already thought of that and decided that is a pill you are prepared to swallow.



Topic 6-Penn State Athletics and the football program- This will have an effect, a long term one. What effect it has on this team we will find out on Saturday but I do know this, this team has a lot of character, and I think they will play with something to prove for the rest of the season.



As for the future it will effect recruiting (it already has with 5 star defensive end Noah Spence, who placed PSU in the lead because of the integrity and image of the football program which may forever be tarnished) and when we clean house if it does happen, there will be a Michigan like transition period that will not be pretty. Penn State football will not die, there is too much talent, too much tradition, and too much money at stake to allow that, so do not panic.



If Joe goes, there are A LOT of coaches who would kill for this job. Regarding Urban Meyer, if he is interested he will come to us in due time. However, I am almost positive this will not happen until after the season. These acts are not the fault of the current players, and there is no reason to punish them by overhauling the entire coaching staff mid season, that is just ludicrous. Urban Meyer has too much respect for Penn State to come in and try to do that, and while Penn State as a whole may be panicking, they are too smart to do that as well. For those of you who heard rumors of him buying a house in Boalsburg, here is Steve Jones’ comment on that- "In 1977 Roger Staubach allegedly bought a home in pleasant gap to become the offensive coordinator...that rumor ran all over the place for weeks and Roger kept showing up in Dallas for some odd reason." So until something official is released, he will keep showing up to ESPN, so calm down.



Topic 7 Penn State Alumni and students- You are probably as torn apart by this as I am. It feels as though someone has torn out my very soul. If you need inspiration in all of this I ask you look in two places, first and foremost with each other. The saying We Are Penn State is not here by accident. We are a family, and families stick together through thick and thin. Support one another and stand strong, brighter days are coming I promise you.



Next I hope that you look to THON if you need a reminder as to how powerful Penn State can be. Penn State decided they wanted to make a movement back in 1973 that has turned in to the biggest student run philanthropy in the world. If Penn State can take something as negative as childhood cancer and turn it in to something so powerful and beautiful I see no reason why the same can’t be done here.



Now I have already seen protests and threats made at the athletic department and I ask that you PLEASE stop this. You are not punishing those who are wrong by stopping donations; you are punishing future kids and their education by doing that. Your donations keep the University running and tuition from rising to astronomical levels. If you think stopping Penn State's revenue stream punishes those who are wrong in this case you are mistaken. I ask that you instead participate in a movement I found today that students are trying to put together which is a Blue Out this weekend to raise Childhood Abuse Awareness. Instead of taking such a negative approach against those who are wrong I invite you to take a stand and try to help those who are hurt and those who might be hurt in the future. We all know how powerful Penn State can be, and maybe with your help we can prevent something like this from happening in the future and create another movement that could turn in to something equally good and powerful as THON.



Finally, please show up this weekend, and continue to support this team. They are as confused and lost as you and I, and showing the Penn State community stands together is the only way I know how to do this because Penn State you are a part of my family, I will always stand behind you because you always do what is right. Do not let the shameful acts of a few be the representation of Penn State as a whole. Take your anger and use it productively. Defend your school, make sure the world knows that this is NOT what Penn State stands for and we are doing all we can to fix it and make sure it never happens again. We are better than some of the actions and movements I have seen thus far. Stand strong, stand proud, and STAND TOGETHER while you sing your alma matter. Lastly, sing it and mean it when you say "May no act of ours bring shame…" this weekend.



We are...and always will be...Penn State



Kevin Fay
 
A message to Penn State and the public...by Kevin Fay on Monday, November 7, 2011 at 11:59pm
I am posting this because for those of you who know me you also know that my essential being and person can ultimately be defined in one thing, Penn State. I grew up in a Penn State home, in rural (and I do mean rural) Pennsylvania, dreamed of going to Penn State, went to Penn State, and continue to represent and be an ambassador for the school that has given me so much. The entire Penn State scandal has shaken me all the way to the deepest part of my core. It is very hard for me to put in to words how I feel but I am going to try, so upcoming will be my best attempt. Penn State students and alums, there are special messages at the end for you, so please if nothing else, read them if you are too uncomfortable reading about the rest.



I have decided to make this note a public one, so hopefully some Penn Staters and part of the general public who are confused, misinformed, or just generally have no idea what is going on may read it and it can offer some perspective on the situation that has made the entire nation sick to its stomach. I invite all of you to discuss openly opinions and use this as a forum for awareness and to cultivate a discussion that needs to take place, and to my professor at Penn State, Michelle Rodino-Colocino, you are part of my inspiration for this, thank you for always making it ok to talk about anything.



For those of you who firmly stand in different camps, I salute you, that means you care, however, don't cement yourself in the ground there, things will change, and quickly, so please be open to a change in opinion just as I am. Most of you have VERY STRONG opinions, which is fine, I have tried to temper back my feelings to take a more objective approach. Whether that was successful or not I will leave up to you. Finally, do not attack each other, listen to others opinions and state yours, but no more hate needs to come out of this than there already has, this is America, people are entitled to opinions. If your opinion were the ultimate authority, you would not be reading this post, you would be leading the world, so please remember that while commenting.



I will touch on a variety of topics, starting with the accused and going all the way to addressing Penn State students and Alumni, so bear with me. Not all of you will agree with all I have to say, and that is fine because I am not even close to an expert on the subject, and am probably missing some things in my arguments, but for those of you who don't agree I hope my perspective at least opens up to you a new possibility and makes you think, as well as poses as a starting point for discussion to take place which will help shape my future opinions as well. All of this will undoubtedly change but here are my lengthy initial reactions:



Topic 1-Jerry Sandusky- He is regarded as a phenomenal defensive mind and had a great tenure at Penn State being the DC for two national championship teams. He was around for 32 years on the Penn State coaching staff and during his time was loved by most Penn State football fans for regularly producing an above average defense with at least some degree of NFL level talent somewhere in the starting line-up. He is being accused of sexually assaulting 8 different young boys singled out within his charity The Second Mile. For those of you who read the 23 page Findings of Fact by the Grand Jury you, like myself, are absolutely mortified at the acts he allegedly performed. The acts are beyond grotesque and if they are indeed true there is no punishment grand enough for such a heinous crime. Although Sandusky himself maintains his innocence, (as reiterated by his lawyer already) the evidence is monumentally stacked against him. There is no way that this amount of evidence piles together on accident or coincidence. The only reason I even still type alleged is because due process has not run its course. After reading that graphic novel of a 23-page document, there is no way you can defend him at this juncture. You just can't make that stuff up. Let it run its course, he will get what is coming to him.



Topic 2-Mike Mcqueary Mike is a current wide receiver coach and recruiting coordinator for the Penn State football team, he is the graduate assistant who allegedly in 2002 witnessed Sandusky performing anal sex with a victim approximately 10 years of age in the Lasch Football Building showers. I am so sorry Mike, I cannot imagine what witnessing this can do to someone, especially someone who I am sure looked up to Sandusky (being that he was a former player). Mike immediately left the building and called his father who advised he turn it over to Paterno. He did just that. Mike did what any person who grows up in American society would do, realized he did not know what to do, but went to a trusted person and advisor to seek counsel on the situation. It is standard protocol. In any other situation or environment Mike would have been commended as a hero for what he did in not remaining silent, but we all know this is where failure begins, so he will not be awarded that opportunity. Mike is a victim in this as well, and I would like to say thank you Mike, you did do the right thing in telling someone what you saw, not everyone, including some people who are reading this might have been brave enough to report that. If Mike didn’t tell someone, what would have happened? This could still be going on and no one would know. So if you have reservations on Mike’s actions, be careful with what you say. However, there are some holes in this story that require some more questions.



The difficult questions to ask:

Did you follow up after reporting it? What about after you still saw Sandusky around? I know you are smarter than that, you had to know something wasn’t right. McQueary is more responsible for this than Joe Paterno is, whether you like it or not.

If it something you saw, beyond ANY doubt, how could you ever see Sandusky around the program and not just want to just kill him for what you saw?

After it went through what the AD (who probably signs his checks) called due process, did you question it? Did you think due process was served?



And to the public, if you thought questioning the process of your superior investigating something you saw would endanger your job and financial future, would YOU follow up and push for justice?





Topic 3-Joe Paterno There is very little in this story that I have a stronger opinion on than Joe Paterno. For those of you who think Joe Paterno is to blame and was knowingly covering it up for 15 years, I am sorry but that is something I am not willing to accept at this juncture and there is no real evidence beyond speculation to support that. I read the report, I know what it says, but there is nothing in there to make me believe he knew of it the whole time and just did nothing. He did do something. He reported it to the PROPER people literally the day after he had talked to McQueary. It is then in the hands of Curley, not Joe Paterno. If Joe Paterno had in fact immediately went above his superiors (which has happened before, and in any normal working environment, is NEVER advised) and went straight to the police, the police would have asked him this question, "Did you witness it?" His answer would have been no and they would have worked with McQueary and the parties involved to investigate, so Paterno would be again out of the legal equation. It still would have been a huge story, but Paterno’s integrity would not have been in question. He is REQUIRED since he did not witness said event to turn it over to the proper persons so they may conduct an investigation and decide what the best course of action is. If he did not do so he would be in as much crap as the rest of them. That then falls in the jurisdiction of the Penn State Administration, NOT Joe Paterno. Joe Paterno is a football coach, not a detective, not an investigator. If he truly thought this happened he needed to report it to Penn State authorities because in a work environment it isn't his decision to make, it NEEDED to be investigated by Penn State FIRST before the police, and he IS NOT the person to do that job. While he represents Penn State and IS Penn State, HE IS NOT PENN STATE. There are however, moral implications, and this...



Yes this will unfortunately end Joe Paterno's career in my opinion, not because he is wrong in his actions, and most certainly not because he was covering anything up for the state of the program (I truly do believe that, and if that turns out to be the case, my world will be shattered), but because Paterno has said before that when he starts to become a distraction and hurts the program he will step aside. This will more than likely turn in to that situation because in the court of public opinion he has already been hung. The majority of the pessimistic public thinks this is a MASSIVE cover up from the ground up and some tend to think Paterno was behind it all because he wanted to maintain the positive view of the program. Look, I understand "The Grand Experiment" is important to Joe but Penn Staters and general public alike ask yourself this, Do you HONESTLY think Joe Paterno would hold the state of the program above the welfare of children? There is absolutely no way, you can not hide the fact you are a bad person for 60 YEARS and not have one thing to question your integrity or honesty up to that point then all of a sudden turn back around and hide molestation of children. He has been cooperative and has been cleared by the State (for now) and at this point is not a target, yet he remains a target by the general public and by the media because of the simple fact it happened within Penn State football which is regarded with a squeaky clean image that people outside of Penn State simply can not stand.



For years Paterno has been regarded as an almost God-like figure within the public eye, who stands for everything right in College Football. However, he is in fact human. He cannot see all. I absolutely can see Curley and Schultz telling Paterno (as any HR dept. or administration would) that the matter is being investigated and handled internally, as Paterno was not present at the meeting between McQueary and Curley/Schultz. At this point the matter is between McQueary, Curley, and Schultz. The only thing Paterno can do is say, "Hey Mike, is that situation being taken care of?" To which Mike probably said yes as I am sure he believed it was. Now, all of this happened over spring break, and for those of you who are football fans, you understand after spring break comes spring practice. At this point I am 100% positive both McQueary and Paterno's focus was on spring ball, nothing else. After hearing the incident was reported to the Second Mile and Sandusky's keys were taken away, what could McQueary, or even Paterno really do? In their mind it was being handled, his keys were taken away and he was asked not to bring kids on campus, however the tough question remains,



Did that solve the problem of the boy being raped in the shower?



Short answer, no. And that is what most people struggle with. However, is it entirely out of the realm of possibility to think that Paterno thought it was handled and decided to focus on his job and the football team? No. Now details will soon emerge as to Sandusky's role after this incident in the program and whether he did still bring kids around the program after the incident. (It should be noted that it is generally believed Paterno and Sandusky were not each other’s biggest fans around the time of Jerry’s departure, so contact between the two was most likely minimal if this were the case.) If Paterno was suspicious and Sandusky was around and STILL bringing kids around, he should have reported it, no question, but we don’t know that to be the case for a fact. And none of this means that Paterno knew of what was going on and just turned the other cheek for the sake of the program, and to assume so is, while human, wrong. This system doesn't always get it right, but it does a good majority of the time, so until something happens to tell me other wise, Paterno did nothing more than make a mistake a pretty big mistake in judgment, which we all are subject to. He is not out of the water, but also should not be judged as harshly as he currently is being.



Topic 4- Curley, Schultz, and the Administration By this point we have a pretty clear picture of what their role was, they had a meeting with McQueary, post witnessing the shower and post meeting with Paterno. The Findings of Fact state they met with him and he said he saw something disturbing in the shower involving Sandusky and a little boy. This is where things get hazy, and if in fact they did know more than what they testified, they are at as much fault as anyone else and deserve whatever punishment is coming to them. The media is overlooking them and that sickens me to no end, because they were ultimately the ones who decided to take the course of action that decided the direction of the non-case.



They did not report it to the police, did not review a case in 1998 regarding Sandusky and inappropriate behavior, and allegedly did not know it existed. All they did was revoke his keys and say no more kids on campus, and report it to The Second Mile, which Sandusky is in charge of. Even if they did report it to the Second Mile, what did they think would happen to it once Sandusky found out about it? It would just disappear. They don't have the same pass I give Joe, they don't have the option to pass it up to, IT IS thier job to investigate and report it to the police. This should have consumed their entire being while they investigated and the moment they had more than a reasonable doubt they absolutely should have gone to the police. Why they didn't, I do not know, all I can do is say they are wrong in that manner and I am perplexed at how it didn't end up in the authorities hands. It does however explain a little about some of the things that happened afterwards, like say, how he still had access to Lasch. If he didn't people would ask questions undoubtedly, and answers WOULD have surfaced, there is no doubt this manner was discussed in detail in private, including Spanier, who ultimately had to give his seal of approval, and it is my belief that if there IS any level of cover up, this is where it started. Their actions make no logical sense, unless I am completely missing something. The course of action was to revoke him of his keys and ban him from bringing kids to the locker room while reporting the incident to The Second Mile.



Graham Spanier your time will come in this, as of now your role has been minumum, but we have not forgotten about you. If you knew as much as Curley and Schultz did, you are equally responsible, and deserve the same fate as they do.



Again ask yourself, but how does that solve the problem of the boy who was raped?



Topic 5-The Media The media is where a lot of my disappointment lies. We (I say we because my degree is in Journalism) are supposed to be level headed, the voice of reason, but we live in an age where political opinion effects which news stations we watch and what papers we read because of hidden agendas of the media and our own. I don't care what outlet your get your news from know this-the media is completely missing the point. I get it; you want to be the ones who breaks a story that Joe is leaving, but what about the victims? What about their families? What about the people WHO ARE ACTUALLY ACCUSED OF DOING WRONG? I understand if Paterno was involved in it there is a story there, but until something surfaces why are you talking about it? There are victims here, and all you are doing is potentially creating another one who out of all of them may be the most innocent. Paterno IS part of the story, but there has been nowhere that encompasses the full scope of what has happened aside from A COLLEGE NEWSPAPER.



I am begging you, please get the full story, and please stop calling for heads to roll until you know they in fact should roll.



I have seen enough lives unjustly ruined by the media taking them down. It is beyond a travesty to forever taint a legacy of good with something that “allegedly” happened. The damage has already been done, and if Paterno steps down and is ultimately cleared the media is responsible for ruining the greatest legacy in college sports history. But I’m sure you have already thought of that and decided that is a pill you are prepared to swallow.



Topic 6-Penn State Athletics and the football program- This will have an effect, a long term one. What effect it has on this team we will find out on Saturday but I do know this, this team has a lot of character, and I think they will play with something to prove for the rest of the season.



As for the future it will effect recruiting (it already has with 5 star defensive end Noah Spence, who placed PSU in the lead because of the integrity and image of the football program which may forever be tarnished) and when we clean house if it does happen, there will be a Michigan like transition period that will not be pretty. Penn State football will not die, there is too much talent, too much tradition, and too much money at stake to allow that, so do not panic.



If Joe goes, there are A LOT of coaches who would kill for this job. Regarding Urban Meyer, if he is interested he will come to us in due time. However, I am almost positive this will not happen until after the season. These acts are not the fault of the current players, and there is no reason to punish them by overhauling the entire coaching staff mid season, that is just ludicrous. Urban Meyer has too much respect for Penn State to come in and try to do that, and while Penn State as a whole may be panicking, they are too smart to do that as well. For those of you who heard rumors of him buying a house in Boalsburg, here is Steve Jones’ comment on that- "In 1977 Roger Staubach allegedly bought a home in pleasant gap to become the offensive coordinator...that rumor ran all over the place for weeks and Roger kept showing up in Dallas for some odd reason." So until something official is released, he will keep showing up to ESPN, so calm down.



Topic 7 Penn State Alumni and students- You are probably as torn apart by this as I am. It feels as though someone has torn out my very soul. If you need inspiration in all of this I ask you look in two places, first and foremost with each other. The saying We Are Penn State is not here by accident. We are a family, and families stick together through thick and thin. Support one another and stand strong, brighter days are coming I promise you.



Next I hope that you look to THON if you need a reminder as to how powerful Penn State can be. Penn State decided they wanted to make a movement back in 1973 that has turned in to the biggest student run philanthropy in the world. If Penn State can take something as negative as childhood cancer and turn it in to something so powerful and beautiful I see no reason why the same can’t be done here.



Now I have already seen protests and threats made at the athletic department and I ask that you PLEASE stop this. You are not punishing those who are wrong by stopping donations; you are punishing future kids and their education by doing that. Your donations keep the University running and tuition from rising to astronomical levels. If you think stopping Penn State's revenue stream punishes those who are wrong in this case you are mistaken. I ask that you instead participate in a movement I found today that students are trying to put together which is a Blue Out this weekend to raise Childhood Abuse Awareness. Instead of taking such a negative approach against those who are wrong I invite you to take a stand and try to help those who are hurt and those who might be hurt in the future. We all know how powerful Penn State can be, and maybe with your help we can prevent something like this from happening in the future and create another movement that could turn in to something equally good and powerful as THON.



Finally, please show up this weekend, and continue to support this team. They are as confused and lost as you and I, and showing the Penn State community stands together is the only way I know how to do this because Penn State you are a part of my family, I will always stand behind you because you always do what is right. Do not let the shameful acts of a few be the representation of Penn State as a whole. Take your anger and use it productively. Defend your school, make sure the world knows that this is NOT what Penn State stands for and we are doing all we can to fix it and make sure it never happens again. We are better than some of the actions and movements I have seen thus far. Stand strong, stand proud, and STAND TOGETHER while you sing your alma matter. Lastly, sing it and mean it when you say "May no act of ours bring shame…" this weekend.



We are...and always will be...Penn State



Kevin Fay

FUK Penn State
 
Topic 3-Joe Paterno There is very little in this story that I have a stronger opinion on than Joe Paterno. For those of you who think Joe Paterno is to blame and was knowingly covering it up for 15 years, I am sorry but that is something I am not willing to accept at this juncture and there is no real evidence beyond speculation to support that. I read the report, I know what it says, but there is nothing in there to make me believe he knew of it the whole time and just did nothing. He did do something. He reported it to the PROPER people literally the day after he had talked to McQueary. It is then in the hands of Curley, not Joe Paterno. If Joe Paterno had in fact immediately went above his superiors (which has happened before, and in any normal working environment, is NEVER advised) and went straight to the police, the police would have asked him this question, "Did you witness it?" His answer would have been no and they would have worked with McQueary and the parties involved to investigate, so Paterno would be again out of the legal equation. It still would have been a huge story, but Paterno’s integrity would not have been in question. He is REQUIRED since he did not witness said event to turn it over to the proper persons so they may conduct an investigation and decide what the best course of action is. If he did not do so he would be in as much crap as the rest of them. That then falls in the jurisdiction of the Penn State Administration, NOT Joe Paterno. Joe Paterno is a football coach, not a detective, not an investigator. If he truly thought this happened he needed to report it to Penn State authorities because in a work environment it isn't his decision to make, it NEEDED to be investigated by Penn State FIRST before the police, and he IS NOT the person to do that job. While he represents Penn State and IS Penn State, HE IS NOT PENN STATE. There are however, moral implications, and this...

a good defense but still bull****. a serious CRIME allegedly occurred. Crimes are investigated by the police. You may concurrently run your own investigation but withholding information by not reporting it to the police is a crime in itself. it was paterno's duty to follow through with what his superiors had done. since they didn't report it to the police it was his duty to take it to the president of penn state or to the police himself. saying he was too busy with spring practice to follow up on an alleged rape is bull****. if that were true then his priorities are not those of anyone i'd want around college students.
 
What makes it his duty to do the job of those above him, they are the ones who failed, Paterno never saw the incident he was told by the one who should have gone to the police himself, he became a scapegoat because he was the easy one to take out. Blaming him is ignorant and retarded and I'm done with the topic because like the media you are blinded by the crime, not the facts.:mad:
 
he was told by the one who should have gone to the police himself,
 
According to the news, today (Thursday) is quite the opposite of the mob site of yesterday where some of the kids were yelling "so what!" Now I'm not going to say that is the attitude of the young college kids, but it does show their attitude towards sexual assaults these days. I seriously doubt that any of those kids will feel the same way once they have married and had children of their own. I do believe that given a chance to stop and think about it all, most of them now understand the seriousness of it all.

BTW kkfan, JoePa was not the only one taken down on this.
 
I actually don't give 2 craps about college sports. I feel bad for the victims, but Paterno is not the one who deserved to get the crap end of it. I saw a great thing written on it earlier which explains how I feel better then I can type it so I'm going to find that

Paterno deserved to get fired, he was part of a cover up that allowed a child rapist to walk free. Everyone and anyone in that cover up needs to lose their job.

This will be used as a case study for generations to come and should be used in training to show people what NOT to do. There were so many red flags and obvious misses in this case that just makes you shutter. Joe Pa deserved to be shown the door.

Penn State needs to start fresh, as soon as possible.
 
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