Tires--What the hell is Goodyear to do?

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Alright with all of the insane set ups and pressures, what the hell is Goodyear supposed to do? Childers went on Twitter to suggest that this is a tire deal given that a bunch of drivers felt like they were losing a tire, yet the tire was fine. Your thoughts.....
 
I don't know how many had a tire issue yesterday but I think the car setup was probably the reason. The faster teams tend to push the limits and when they have problems they tend to get more attention. I recall some time back a story about how Goodyear determines tires for each race; they might tell teams a range of camber angles (I don't know what they pass on to teams these days) but teams set the car up to their preference.
 
I doubt its a coincidence that mostly Hendrick cars had tire issues...

I dont think theres really a problem with the tires.. just some tracks mixed with certain setups on certain tires produces scraped up sponsor decals on walls.

Murphy's law.
 
a while back denny complained that goodyear was making the tires out of green compound. maybe they should start using what worked before again.
 
I had mentioned the idea of the proposed larger diameter tire just a while ago. It was supposed to cure all the ills of bad handling race cars. But it was rejected IIRC because it would change everything in the front end configuration and geometry, along with brakes etc.
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IIRC it was planned to go to 16 or 17 inch rims. Would have changed everything.
 
No matter what happens in future with tires , the one certainty is that teams will always push the boundries and get themselves into trouble.
 
do you mean height or width or both?
Both.When this car was first designed it was supposed to have a bigger tire on it but Goodyear said it would be a couple years in the making.Then it was to expensive.Goodyear just doesn't want to pony up the money to change over to the bigger tire.Bigger tire would lessen some of the load on them.
 
I don't remember NASCAR holding tire tests with Goodyear last offseason since they didn't announce the rules package until December or January. At least this time around they have tests at Fontana and Phoenix coming up.

It wouldn't surprise me if they end up requiring tire pressure sensors as they've discussed in the past.
 
Im betting we see sensors. Just so people cant throw goodyear under the bus without knowing what pressures the team was running.
 
Yeah, Joey really had a problem also! Oh wait, he won with know problem, cool, and a whole bunch of other driver finished the race, but, when you put to much camber in or run too low air pressure, well, you hit the wall.
 
Goodyear is in a no win situation. Build a durable tire the racing suffers. Build a soft tire, they'll get ripped a new one when someone has problems.

To think they paid Brian a few hundred million for the right to be the guys he puts in that position.

Put the bigger tire that the car calls for on it.

Bingo. nascar has said Goodyear has had that option all along. I read some where that GY is still using the same tire press from 20 years ago.
 
Honestly, I don't think Goodyear should have an exclusive contract. Invite Hoosier and Firestone into the mix and let the drivers choose which tires they want for each race.
 
Multiple tire manufacturers wasn't a good idea when it was first introduced and put into play. There was always a competition for a tire with more speed which resulted in unreliability. Those two things together were not good for anyone, especially the drivers.
 
Especially when they hit the wall.


Exactly............... Take the Kansas race for instance, Jooonyer complained and he had good reason, Harvick complained for no reason and Kyle Busch didnt complain and got a third place finish. Thats my take on the situation any way :idunno:
 
KANSAS CITY, Kan. (AP) -- It's impossible to be perfect, to always get everything right and never fail at all.

To listen to Goodyear officials, the company never, ever comes up short at the race track.
It sure sounded like Goodyear thought it was off the hook on Sunday after a tire problem caused Dale Earnhardt Jr. to hit the wall while leading at Kansas Speedway. Then Brad Keselowski suffered a similar fate, and Kasey Kahne also thought an issue with his tires sent him into the wall.

It dropped all three drivers into the bottom of the Chase for the Sprint Cup standings, in serious jeopardy of elimination from the championship race in two weeks.

So what happened? Goodyear director of racing Greg Stucker didn't have a definitive answer during Sunday's race but sure seemed to be pointing the finger at the race teams.

''We're trying to figure out exactly what the issue is with the teams. Obviously, a race like this in the Chase, everybody is kind of up on the wheel and really pushing the envelope,'' said Stucker, who hinted that ''adjustments'' made as the race progressed led to issues that didn't exist during the first green-flag run.

Once again, we are led to believe this was not a Goodyear issue, but a problem with teams pushing the limits of their tires in an effort to capitalize in an important Chase race. Really? In a race where the risk was far greater than any expected reward?
Shame on Hendrick Motorsports and Team Penske if they were so aggressive that their drivers are now in danger of not advancing to the third round of the Chase. And poor Kevin Harvick, who took note of his rivals' problems and feared he was next when his car suddenly struggled to turn as he was running third with a shot at the win. Harvick made an unscheduled pit stop - forfeiting any chance at victory - to get the tires off his car before they completely derailed his season.

Only he was wrong, the problem wasn't with his tires, and his paranoia led to an unsatisfying 12th-place finish. But, hey, Harvick got off easy. Kahne finished 22nd, Earnhardt was 39th and Keselowski 36th in a race won by teammate Joey Logano.
Drivers are very careful not to disparage Goodyear, NASCAR's exclusive tire provider. Much ado was made earlier this season when Jimmie Johnson crew chief Chad Knaus sarcastically quipped on the team radio that tire problems at Bristol were surely ''something we did. I'm sure it's our fault.''

It forced Johnson into a meeting with Goodyear officials where the tire manufacturer and the driver privately agreed to disagree on the cause of his failure.

It put Johnson in no mood to be politically correct come New Hampshire in July, when two tire problems in the first 11 laps of the race ended his day. ''I'm expecting people to quickly point back at the team and say it's our fault,'' the six-time and defending NASCAR champion said that day.

Enough is finally enough. Yes, Goodyear must deal with repaved race tracks and changing rules, but it's implausible to believe Goodyear is never to blame (the company did accept fault for the 2008 debacle at Indianapolis). What's closer to the truth is that Goodyear's tire development, at times, is simply not acceptable for the top motorsports series in the United States.

You'd be hard pressed to remember the last time a Firestone tire failed in an IndyCar race, and the drivers and teams consistently applaud the tiremaker for building strong compounds that everyone firmly believes to be safe.
But in NASCAR, a car slamming into a wall at 190 mph after a tire problem is a weekly occurrence that nobody seems to think is a problem. Why? Because Goodyear is the only player in the game and nobody wants to upset the apple cart.
The time to tip it over is overdue. Everyone understands that Goodyear can't be 100 percent infallible but it's the manufacturer's responsibility to get it right, for the sake of the show, the safety of the competitors and for the championship race currently underway.

Goodyear has zero competition in NASCAR and no rival tiremaker pushing them to be better. That's on NASCAR, which is quite content with one official partner and has no problem protecting the tiremaker by generally agreeing that teams went too far when a tire fails.

It turned Sunday into what Keselowski described as a game of Russian roulette with the tires. The most dominant driver of the first round of the Chase said his Penske team did not have an aggressive setup, did not make in-race adjustments and simply blew a right front tire because ''it was our turn at the gun.'' Earnhardt was a little more transparent when he said the tread on his Goodyear simply ''unwound like a string'' until the tire popped.

The new Chase format that eliminates four drivers every three races exposes Goodyear to scrutiny like never before. One bad tire can wipe out an entire season, and Goodyear better hope it doesn't happen in the season finale.
 
Honestly, I don't think Goodyear should have an exclusive contract. Invite Hoosier and Firestone into the mix and let the drivers choose which tires they want for each race.

Drivers should never be allowed to pick their tires, only people whos lives are not on the line should be able to do that
 
Exactly............... Take the Kansas race for instance, Jooonyer complained and he had good reason, Harvick complained for no reason and Kyle Busch didnt complain and got a third place finish. Thats my take on the situation any way :idunno:

I believe that the fastest cars had the problems because some tires couldn't take the extra heat.
 
I believe that the fastest cars had the problems because some tires couldn't take the extra heat.

The tire that came off Brads car didnt look so bad, have no idea why it blew but you may be right, maybe the setup on the faster cars did build a bit more heat, camber or toe or weight distribution could effect tires and maybe even the line the driver uses........................ obviously the best driver in the series didnt have any issues but he was stuck with a toad like he always is :D
 
The tire that came off Brads car didnt look so bad, have no idea why it blew but you may be right, maybe the setup on the faster cars did build a bit more heat, camber or toe or weight distribution could effect tires and maybe even the line the driver uses........................ obviously the best driver in the series didnt have any issues but he was stuck with a toad like he always is :D

Even so, Joey still won the race. :D He's awesome!
 
Goodyear in Jimmy's case at Bristol could have had a bad tire, who knows. Engines blow and tires pop sometimes. Some teams took chances with two, pretty insane on the first pit stop that was a full long run to put just two tires on but almost all of the teams did, they are so used to doing that but they got bit this time. Some of the prima donnas, Kahne and JR, are notorious for over adjusting a good driving car, and Kansas isn't a forgiving track for that kind of thing.
 
After all the years the kid drove that Gibbs crap he deserves to drive a real race car. Someday Kyle will get with a team that can put a car under him and he wont have to piddle around bringing a 10th place car home third. Only good thing that Joey got from Gibbs is he learned how to give good feedback to his crew chief from Kyle :) View attachment 14809

Stop with the thread wanking B.S. will ya. you and that other idiot are making it impossible around here, have some consideration to others who are trying to discuss something besides your childish B.S.
 
Stop with the thread wanking B.S. will ya. you and that other idiot are making it impossible around here, have some consideration to others who are trying to discuss something besides your childish B.S.

There I deleted it so quit pissin and moaning jerkoff
 
anyone else notice the pole speed was up like 3.5 mph over the first race this year?? the pole speed from the first race would only get you qualified 23rd. I think that is why we see certain teams struggling with speed. IMO the 48 team is off. it also why I think we have seen a shuffling up the teams. certain teams have gotten faster others have stayed about the same. The cars are just going too fast.
 
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