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MoMike
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It's really not fair to make that comparison, as all the teams geared their performance towards the chase, not a 36 race championship. If it was a 36 race chase, i'm sure the points would be different.
Tony Stewart/Carl Edwards
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It's really not fair to make that comparison, as all the teams geared their performance towards the chase, not a 36 race championship. If it was a 36 race chase, i'm sure the points would be different.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
It's amazing how peoples' attitudes towards the Chase and the consistency thing have changed now that Tony Stewart (or anyone but Jimmie and Kyle) are in contention.
This time last year, everyone except Jimmie's fans were complaining about the Chase and how the best driver all year long should win the championship. They also had a problem with Hamlin having a shot being so inconsistent. Tony Stewart, opposite situation, in contention because of the Chase -- and people love the fact that winning a ton of races at the end of the season could win the championship.
I still hate the Chase and that's why I'd like to see Carl win (I wouldn't mind Tony winning because I like him, but still...)
I guess NASCAR and Jimmie Johnson's fans were right, that all the hate for the Chase was because Jimmie Johnson was winning it every year.
Blaze
The Midnight Rider
This is what I always try to say right here.
I don't hate the chase but i also don't like it. If Tony wins then cool if not cool. But you can't go by the real points, I swear tony saved and played by games. Right before the chase i don't deserve to be in it and them bam he's won 4 of the 8 races? you gonna honestly tell me he didn't save his best until now?
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
I don't like the chase because it lessens the importance of the regular season with teams using them as test sessions. I wish more drivers would go all out during the regular season. Use the bump and run when you're blocked. Door slam a guy who runs you down the track, etc. Race with attitude if it doesn't mean as much.
...oh, and take it like a man when someone else races you hard.
...oh, and take it like a man when someone else races you hard.
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Those days are over dude. Too many primadonnas racing now. They expect to be respected.
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WNY24Fan
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I'm going with watch and see. There's no way I thought Tony would win four races so far in the Chase. Too much can happen. You might as well flip a coin at this point.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
How great would it be to see these two tied heading into Homestead? Brian France would finally have his game #7 moment that he's been longing for is his made for TV Chase format.
As far as one of the earlier posts, how can fans not be more excited about a non Jimmie Johnson title year? Except for the Jimmie Johnson fans, that is. Unless you're a fan of that dominating team, what could be exciting about seeing a team win the championship five times in a row. History being made? OK, write that down in a book somewhere and let's get on to a new champ. I don't really care who wins just as long as it someone new. I'm tired of watching the same old rerun.
As far as one of the earlier posts, how can fans not be more excited about a non Jimmie Johnson title year? Except for the Jimmie Johnson fans, that is. Unless you're a fan of that dominating team, what could be exciting about seeing a team win the championship five times in a row. History being made? OK, write that down in a book somewhere and let's get on to a new champ. I don't really care who wins just as long as it someone new. I'm tired of watching the same old rerun.
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing
Team Owner
I don't think anyone around here likes the chase just cause Tony might win the championship. I still hate the chase but it's a system that we are stuck with so of course I'm going to root for my favorite driver to win it all, flawed system or not.
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KingGlamis
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Big Jimmie fan here pulling for Tony. I'm not a fair-weather fan for JJ, I'm actually a fan of most of the Chevy drivers and in any given season I root for the guy (in a Chevy) who I think has the best chance to win.
People say "Anyone but Jimmie Johnson."
I say "Anyone in a Chevy."
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
I'm part of everyone..please point to a post where I said I hate the chase...
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mickeysimzac
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Not much huh? Carl could sit out the next 2 races and the only way Tony could pass him would be to win both races. 90 points is a big lead under the new scoring system.
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mickeysimzac
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I don't buy this argument at all. You can't tell me that every driver in top notch equipment doesn't race to win every week. Only the field fillers have no chance. I don't think the chase has changed how drivers race each week one single bit.
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mickeysimzac
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Most drivers have hot and cold streaks during a season. Tony just got lucky and had his during the last 8 weeks. If you truly think he planned this, why doesn't he go out and win every week. Your logic makes no sense.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
Oops, you're right. I was thinking the comparison was old points/pre-chase.
However, I still think it's good that a guy with more wins than most is one of the guys with shot.
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robbybee
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That's a load of hooey right there...
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.
Seneca
Roman dramatist, philosopher, & politician (5 BC - 65 AD)
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FlFlash
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I don't beleive I've ever seen anyone qoute Seneca and mention hooey at the same time!
Well Done!
Blaze
The Midnight Rider
Tony saved all his best driving and stuff until right here in these 10 races. Why go out there and waste all that at the start of the season when you only have to do great in the last 10 weeks of the season. Do good enough to make the chase then light it on fire. I'm sure Tony tried to win races in the reg season but at the same time he wasn't using all his best at the time either.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Just remember, that guy tutored Nero.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
Maybe now that JJ is out of the title hunt Tony can get some good cars from Hendrick the next two races
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MOEJOE
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MOEJOE
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Maybe now that JJ is out of the title hunt Tony can get some good cars from Hendrick the next two races
Tony has something coming from somewhere. I would like to know from where. There's no way Chad just went to Rick and said: "Hey Rick, I have these great plans to make a car faster, let's give them to Tony and keep it a secret from our guys, ok?"
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Maybe Tony threatened to tell the world about Chads rubber spoilers.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
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MOEJOE
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I wonder if I could enlist the KGB? I heard they are for hire.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Carl Edwards definitely wants to know.
Now I see why he kept mouthing off to reporters and saying he wasn't worried about the Chase. He had an ace up his sleeve.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
I bet Herman Cain is rooting for Carl Edwards.
Or is the missing 9 enough to make him root for Smoke?
Or is the missing 9 enough to make him root for Smoke?
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MoMike
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So, you don't think for a moment that the top 8-9 in points moreless coasted into Richmond, with the attitude that 5-6 points would seperate them all by the next day?
I believe there is a point at which teams relax a bit, knowing they're going to make the chase mathematically.
Especially the points leader going into richmond, knowing it'll all be wiped away within a few hours..
Maybe not all the teams, but I think to a degree they don't pull out all the stops, like they do in the chase.
The drivers themselves talk about how they have to be "stepping it up " a notch for the chase. Well, if they were racing as hard as they could all season, there wouldn't be a notch to step up to...
MoMike
MoMike
Jeffrey00
Stamos Cozy
I never could figure out why this excuse is used for hating the chase. This goes on in every sport. Last year the Green Bay Packers were a wildcards that got hot late in the season. Hell if it wasn't for the Giants kicking a punt to Desean Jackson last year the packers may have not even made the play offs. This year in MLB the Cards got hot in Sept and rode that to a WS win. How come nobody talks crap about those teams and sports? If you don't like the playoff format in NASCAR then don't watch it.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
a) Incorrect, college football does not use a playoff system. They use rankings -- being the best means something.
b) The failed USAR Pro Cup import is not a true playoff, as every driver is still in each race and can knock out a playoff contender.
c) Playoffs have always been a part of stick and ball sports. It was only recently imported by NASCAR from the USAR Pro Cup Series to do what NASCAR will never be able to do, compete with the NFL.
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KingGlamis
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Andy, I've said it before and I will say it again. If you dislike NASCAR so much why don't you stop watching it and stop posting here about it? Problem solved. Heck, you could fool yourself and still watch the races, just don't come on here every single friggen day and post anti-NASCAR posts. It's beyond old Andy. Maybe you should find a forum like "Ihatenascar.com."
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
LOL, because I dislike the sanctioning body, I should quit watching racing? That's laughable.
Under that "logic", EVERYBODY should stop watching the NFL because everyone complains about the officiating in games every week.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Just saw this.....
In past 3 races, Tony Stewart has risen from fourth to second in points. He would have gone fifth to first under old points format.
And this is the one that rewards wins, right?
Under previous points format, Tony Stewart leads Carl Edwards 6,274-6,265.
In past 3 races, Tony Stewart has risen from fourth to second in points. He would have gone fifth to first under old points format.
And this is the one that rewards wins, right?
Under previous points format, Tony Stewart leads Carl Edwards 6,274-6,265.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
Just saw this.....
In past 3 races, Tony Stewart has risen from fourth to second in points. He would have gone fifth to first under old points format.
And this is the one that rewards wins, right?
Under previous points format, Tony Stewart leads Carl Edwards 6,274-6,265.
Ok, we get it, You hate the new points system
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
And this is the one that rewards wins, right?
Why the confusion? The system rewards wins but it also punishes crappy finishes, which it should.
Tony's average finish in the chase - 7.4
Carls average finish in the chase - 5.6
Tony has been rewarded nicely for his wins, and actually wiped out the effects of Tony's 25th and 17th place finishes. His 4 wins made up the 14 positions on the track he surrendered to Carl over the 8 races. The only thing that seperates them now is Carls 3 bonus points to start the chase.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
No, I don't like the Chase. I do like the way the points are accumulated. I also find the numbers interesting. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Interesting..... NASCAR's plan is to inspect the Edwards and Stewart cars for Homestead at the R&D center before the weekend.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
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robbybee
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The Bull Chit System is used only in Division One. Division Two and Division Three have a playoff tournament to determine a champion.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
This is a GREAT move. I would be willing to bet that in the past, a champion has been crowned only to have the car fail tech. There is no way nascar could undo the championship, so secret fines and sanctions for the next year were probably used. This way, the champ wont be decided by floating oil covers or rubber spoilers.
I still want to know what the 14 team is doing to move so far ahead of the Hendrick cars, but we never will unless it's illegal.
I hope not, because I want Tony to win.