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Mrs.Nascar20
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Couldn't agree with you more DE_Wrangler_2. Cheers to you 
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hntr74
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Did kahne take 2 tires on the cautoion and restart? Thanks in advance..I was outside starting the grill during that caution..
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hntr74
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oops...lol...I meant to type caution,lol I really did...plz belive me I didnt pull out the dictionary..
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hntr74
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believeeeeeee...Boy am I having troubles typing tonight.. 
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Lord here we go again.
Tony gets into someone, and all hell breaks loose. Guys, plain and simple, these guys get paid to win.. not to run 25th. Yes, Tony could of been more patient, but it wasn't all his fault. Kasey slowed a lot going into turn one, and Tony just got in the back of him. It's a racing deal... get over it.
All these negative words about Tony is getting very old, and it's usually the same people week in and week out that say them. This place is for discussion, not bashing. It's a damn shame that people can boo and bash a driver with such talent, but do as you please...
"Rubbin' is Racing"... isn't it so true?
Tony gets into someone, and all hell breaks loose. Guys, plain and simple, these guys get paid to win.. not to run 25th. Yes, Tony could of been more patient, but it wasn't all his fault. Kasey slowed a lot going into turn one, and Tony just got in the back of him. It's a racing deal... get over it.
All these negative words about Tony is getting very old, and it's usually the same people week in and week out that say them. This place is for discussion, not bashing. It's a damn shame that people can boo and bash a driver with such talent, but do as you please...
"Rubbin' is Racing"... isn't it so true?
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Did Kasey take 2 tires or not???If not I guess Kahney's crew botched up 
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I'm not 100% positive but I think Kahn did take two...........or maybe none. He was looking for track position no matter what.
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I'm not 100% sure either at the moment, I'll have to go back and look. I was thinking he got gas onlly. I know Sterlin only took 2.
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Yes, hntr, robby (with a Y not an IE, remember the whole Tony with an I incident on here) did take out jeff green today...while I can't say i think it was the exercise of prudence on his part, I do believe Jeff Green had it coming to him from RobbY stemming from an incidient last year (which went very unnoticed) when Jeff Green came down UNDER CAUTION and helped rearrange Robby's fenders for him...no flags, no penalties, nothing. Now, I know just as well as anyone that Robby has a temper, though it has gotten a lot better, but just because Jeff Green drives for Petty doesn't mean he isn't just as tempermental...unfortunately, when something happens back in 13th or so place, they don't go back and review to see it...Green was clearly slow and in the way...just like Kahne was with Tony, so if everyone is screaming about Tony being in the right, then Robby was in the right too.
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Lol yea your right esor 2 wrongs make a right...sorry but Tony and Robbie I despise as racers on sunday,but I do appreciate the talent they bring to the track..Its 2 bad ither one of them gives a crud about anyone but themselves....Thanks for the feedback on the tire situation...my buddy said he didnt take any tires whice I dont see how any pit crew would choose with so many laps left 
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This is just another example of how many ways a racing incident can be interpreted.
If you are a fan of Tony Stewart you think he is completely innocent. If you don't like the guy you think everything he is involved in is his fault.
Personally I have better things to do than super slo-mo an incident and overanalyze it to death.
Based on his history it seems like Tony may have intentionally wrecked Kahne as he has done it before. But, we will never know the truth because we weren't in either man's head when this occured.
Either way Tony has put himself in a very bad position where every single incident is put under a microscope. The media didn't do it to him, neither did anyone but Tony himself.
I just hope that Tony can get himself together and become a more responsible driver. NASCAR obviously has decided not to intervene in a way that would require him to do so. But, for his sake and for the sake of the other drivers out there I hope he does soon.
This is just my opinion and in no way meant as an attack on any fans of TS.
If you are a fan of Tony Stewart you think he is completely innocent. If you don't like the guy you think everything he is involved in is his fault.
Personally I have better things to do than super slo-mo an incident and overanalyze it to death.
Based on his history it seems like Tony may have intentionally wrecked Kahne as he has done it before. But, we will never know the truth because we weren't in either man's head when this occured.
Either way Tony has put himself in a very bad position where every single incident is put under a microscope. The media didn't do it to him, neither did anyone but Tony himself.
I just hope that Tony can get himself together and become a more responsible driver. NASCAR obviously has decided not to intervene in a way that would require him to do so. But, for his sake and for the sake of the other drivers out there I hope he does soon.
This is just my opinion and in no way meant as an attack on any fans of TS.
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My own two cents.
Tony tanked him. Intentional or not, he tanked him. I happen to think he did what he has done countless other times when he has the fast ride and booted Kahne. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
I also correctly predicted at the moment of impact that NASCAR would stick its collective head in the sand again and not touch him for it. Call me a genius.
Maybe Kurt Busch will get to hand that title of Most Hated Driver over after all....nah, never happen. ChebbieNation will rally around Tony exactly as they have on this very thread and that'll be that.
NASCAR - as predictable as wrestling without the fat guys in tights.
Tony tanked him. Intentional or not, he tanked him. I happen to think he did what he has done countless other times when he has the fast ride and booted Kahne. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
I also correctly predicted at the moment of impact that NASCAR would stick its collective head in the sand again and not touch him for it. Call me a genius.
Maybe Kurt Busch will get to hand that title of Most Hated Driver over after all....nah, never happen. ChebbieNation will rally around Tony exactly as they have on this very thread and that'll be that.
NASCAR - as predictable as wrestling without the fat guys in tights.
I agree the incident between Stewart and Kahane was a racing incident.
It comes to the forefront because it has happened too frequently since Daytona with Tony being involved. Tony is a championship driver who, by this time of year should know how to avoid most trouble.
The incidents involving Tony since Daytona are in excess of any other driver on the track. No need to speculate on this. Review the season thus far. It is all in black and white from many different sources and opined by many different media members, drivers and teams.
No joke. No speculation, no bashing. Prove this is wrong and dispute it by pointing out one other driver involved in as many incidents and as frequently as Tony !!!!
I also agree, Stewart fans must get tired of hearing it. As a race fan, I get tired of seeing him involved in as many mishaps as he is just as his fans get tired of hearing about it each time it happens.
I get frustrated as the result has been a lot of damaged race cars and he seems to be at the center of the incident in one way or another more than anyone else.
Observing Stewart is impatient is not bashing.
"Bashing" would be something along the lines of calling Tony a derogatory name.
I will defend Tony, or any other driver if he or they are right and criticize them when I feel they are wrong. In my opinion, it was too early in the race for Tony to be involved in that kind of incident. The result of being impatient.
Note in this post or on other threads, personal references expressly mention and have mentioned Tony's driving ability with praise which, as one of the best, if not the best, he justly deserves.
The controversy will die down if and when Tony goes a couple of weeks without being involved in an incident of any kind.
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Whizzer is correct. Tony could have won the race w/out any incidents. He chose not to.
Or, to stir the pot a little more did he know that Kahne had a car that could challenge him and decided to take him out when he could? JG was struggling. Lil'E hadn't sniffed the front. JJ, he knew he had beat. Kahne was the wild card and he wanted to win. Tony is one helluva driver, anything is possible...
And, with dumb ass Kahne saying "I was a little loose" he gives NASCAR an out to blow the whole thing off.
Or, to stir the pot a little more did he know that Kahne had a car that could challenge him and decided to take him out when he could? JG was struggling. Lil'E hadn't sniffed the front. JJ, he knew he had beat. Kahne was the wild card and he wanted to win. Tony is one helluva driver, anything is possible...
And, with dumb ass Kahne saying "I was a little loose" he gives NASCAR an out to blow the whole thing off.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
with a record like this really hard for me to defend him
The Stewart Files by SNL Jun 29, 2004
For the past six years, Tony “Smoke” Stewart has been a fan favorite in NASCAR’s top racing series. Stewart has become a favorite amongst fans because of his great driving talent and his unique behavior. However, there have been multiple issues throughout his short career that have embarrassed NASCAR and have been a deterrent to his success. Research shows that Stewart’s behavior is not just a fad, it is a recurring theme for one of NASCAR’s biggest and brightest stars.
For the past six years, Tony "Smoke" Stewart has been a fan favorite in NASCAR’s top racing series. Stewart has become a favorite amongst fans because of his great driving talent and his unique behavior. However, there have been multiple issues throughout his short career that have embarrassed NASCAR and have been a deterrent to his success. Research shows that Stewart’s behavior is not just a fad, it is a recurring theme for one of NASCAR’s biggest and brightest stars.
Issue 1: Actions towards Media and Fans
August 24, 2002, Bristol, Tennessee- Following the Sharpie 500 at Bristol Motor Speedway, Tony Stewart allegedly shoves a female fan in the pit area. This incident would be investigated by the Sullivan County Sheriff’s Office in Tennessee. This investigation is just one out of many controversial incidents involving the volatile driver. After the 2002 Brickyard 400 at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Stewart shoved photographer, Gary Mook. This incident forced NASCAR officials to place Stewart on probation and fine the superstar $10,000. Stewart’s own sponsor, Home Depot even fined him a substantial amount of cash. Most people say that Tony Stewart got off easy in that situation and that it has led to the belief that he thinks he can get away with anything. Another incident involving Stewart and the media, after a final practice at Homestead-Miami Speedway Stewart shoved Rusty Jarrett, a photographer who was standing in the garage area taking still pictures. Jarrett says that Stewart went out of his way to walk in front of him and shove him. Another photographer from the Miami Herald took a photo of Stewart pushed up against Jarrett. NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter opened an investigation on this incident. Hunter said the photograph taken by the Miami Herald photographer was inconclusive and Stewart got away with the assault.
Issue 2: Disobedience towards NASCAR
Tony Stewart has not only assaulted fans and media personnel; he has also assaulted NASCAR officials. During the New England 300 in July of 2002 Tony Stewart was involved in an accident. When NASCAR EMTs arrived at the scene Stewart became furious with one EMT who tried to help him out of his car. Stewart responded by striking the EMT. The incident was caught by NBC cameras, and NASCAR reviewed the video. NASCAR stated that they did not consider this incident an issue, therefore letting Tony Stewart get away with yet another assault unscathed. July 7, 2001 at Daytona, Tony Stewart receives a penalty for driving below the yellow line. Stewart becomes infuriated with the call by NASCAR and following the race gets into a shouting match with series director Gary Nelson. At one point during the confrontation, Stewart had to be restrained by crew chief Greg Zipadelli and car owner Joe Gibbs. For this incident Stewart was only fined $10,000 and his probation lengthened. Earlier this season there was an incident were Stewart deliberately disobeyed NASCAR. Stewart was running a Busch Series race and his car was sponsored by rock-rapper, Kid Rock who is billed as an "American Bad Ass." The words American Bad Ass were painted on the hood of Stewart’s car and NASCAR trying to keep the sport clean asked Stewart to put tape over the word "ass." Stewart did as told and taped over the offensive word, but during the first pit stop of the race Stewart ordered his pit crew to pull off the tape covering the word, thus disobeying NASCAR authority. Also recently in a pre race driver’s meeting at Michigan NASCAR officials were explaining new rules before the race. Stewart reportedly stood up said, "Can’t we just go race" and walked out of the meeting. NASCAR sent Stewart to the back of the pack for leaving the meeting early.
Issue 3: Attitude towards Fellow Competitors
The biggest problem that NASCAR superstar Tony Stewart faces is his attitude towards his fellow competitors. There have been over a dozen incidents involving Stewart and other drivers over the past five seasons. In not one of these incidents though has NASCAR strictly disciplined Stewart. Here are just a few of the incidents involving other drivers that Stewart has been involved in, in recent years.
2000 Martinsville Speedway: This was the first of many major incidents involving Tony Stewart and fellow drivers. During this race the late Kenny Irwin was spun out twice by Tony Stewart. Stewart responded by spinning out Irwin’s car, as Irwin’s car was stopped on the track Stewart left his car and threw a pair of heat shields at Irwin’s Ford. Stewart then proceeded to lean into Irwin’s car window and began swinging at Irwin. This incident was truly an embarrassment to NASCAR, who fined Stewart a measly $5,000 for "conduct detrimental to auto racing."
2001 Bristol Motor Speedway: Tony Stewart feels that Jeff Gordon cut him off during a race. After the race is finished, Stewart rams Jeff Gordon’s car on pit road. For this incident, Stewart is fined $10,000 dollars and place on probation (a move NASCAR would make many more times).
2002 Daytona International Speedway: During a practice for a 125-miler qualifying race Robby Gordon cut off Tony Stewart, the move sent proved unsuccessful sending Gordon’s car spinning through the infield grass. Tony Stewart’s car was unharmed, however Stewart took exception to the incident and shoved Robby Gordon when he showed up in Stewart’s garage to explain what happened. Gordon’s proceeded to shove Stewart back igniting a squabble that was separated by Stewart’s pit crew.
2003 Dover International Speedway: Tony Stewart storms past reporters with a crazed look on his face as he is on his way to victory circle to confront race winner Ryan Newman. Newman prevented Stewart from getting a lap back midway through the race. After Newman kept Stewart from regaining the lap, Stewart nearly sent Newman into the wall during a caution period, made an obscene gesture toward Newman’s pit crew, and yelled at Newman’s crew chief, Matt Borland following the race.
2004 Daytona International Speedway: During a practice session for the up coming Daytona 500 John Andretti lightly rubs the car of Tony Stewart. Stewart publicly blames Andretti for the incident referring to Andretti as an "idiot" and says, "Wrecking people is what John Andretti does best." The next week at Rockingham both drivers sit down for a one on one conversation, but afterward Andretti states that he is still upset with the way Stewarts acted towards him at Daytona.
2004 Bristol Motor Speedway: Early in the race Scott Wimmer is forced to slow down rapidly as Ricky Craven slows in front of him. As Wimmer slows, Tony Stewart runs into the back of Wimmer’s car. Later on in the race under a caution period Stewart bumps Wimmer in the rear and turns him around. Both Stewart and Wimmer are penalized one lap for the incident.
2004 Darlington Raceway: During the race Greg Biffle supposedly cut off Tony Stewart on pit road. After the race is completed Stewart confronts Biffle at his hauler to exchange words.
2004 Talladega Superspeedway: Tony Stewarts is involved in multiple incidents on this Sunday. Early on in the race, Stewart becomes impatient with Kurt Busch and spins him causing the "Big One" involving around twenty cars. After the race an apparently angered Stewart speeds down pit lane and has a small collision with veteran Terry Labonte. Some reporters standing by the pits commented that they feared for their safety as Stewart sped down the pit road. After the race Stewart met with Nextel Cup director John Darby, but was not punished.
2004 California Speedway: Just one week after being involved in multiple incidents at Talladega, Stewart is once again involved in multiple incidents this time at California. Early in the race Stewarts bangs doors with Jeff Gordon (for no apparent reason) damaging Gordon’s car. A few laps later Stewart stuck his nose under Ricky Rudd’s Ford briefly lifting Rudd’s car of the track (again for no apparent reason). The main incident in the race involved Stewart and racing vet Rusty Wallace. Early on the race Stewart made contact with Wallace, later Stewart spun Wallace out ending the veteran’s race. While under caution for the spin, Stewart flipped off Wallace, who responded in a race interview by saying, "I’m gonna jam that finger right up his rear end." Once again Stewart was not punished for the incident.
2004 Infineon Raceway: Late in the race, Tony Stewart gets into rookie Brian Vickers sending him around. After the race, Stewart confronted Vickers while still in the car. Brian Vickers says, "He wrecked me in turn eleven, then came over after the race and was mad at me." Tony Stewart proceeded to argue with the rookie who began to laugh at Stewart’s tirade. Stewart taking offense to Vickers laughing lunged through the window and grabbed the rookie by the chest knocking the wind out of him. NASCAR is currently investigating this incident.
In past season NASCAR has suspended drivers for their behavior on and off the track. Last season NASCAR suspended Jimmy Spencer for a race following an incident where he punched Kurt Busch in the face. A few season back, NASCAR suspended Kevin Harvick for spinning out driver Coy Gibbs in a truck race. Tony Stewart has been involved in over a dozen incidents worthy of suspension, yet the worst penalty NASCAR has given Stewart is a $10,000 fine and placed him on probation. Until NASCAR parks Stewart for a race or two, Tony will continue to believe that he can get away with anything and the incidents will continue to increase.
By: SNL
The Stewart Files by SNL Jun 29, 2004
For the past six years, Tony “Smoke” Stewart has been a fan favorite in NASCAR’s top racing series. Stewart has become a favorite amongst fans because of his great driving talent and his unique behavior. However, there have been multiple issues throughout his short career that have embarrassed NASCAR and have been a deterrent to his success. Research shows that Stewart’s behavior is not just a fad, it is a recurring theme for one of NASCAR’s biggest and brightest stars.
For the past six years, Tony "Smoke" Stewart has been a fan favorite in NASCAR’s top racing series. Stewart has become a favorite amongst fans because of his great driving talent and his unique behavior. However, there have been multiple issues throughout his short career that have embarrassed NASCAR and have been a deterrent to his success. Research shows that Stewart’s behavior is not just a fad, it is a recurring theme for one of NASCAR’s biggest and brightest stars.
Issue 1: Actions towards Media and Fans
August 24, 2002, Bristol, Tennessee- Following the Sharpie 500 at Bristol Motor Speedway, Tony Stewart allegedly shoves a female fan in the pit area. This incident would be investigated by the Sullivan County Sheriff’s Office in Tennessee. This investigation is just one out of many controversial incidents involving the volatile driver. After the 2002 Brickyard 400 at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Stewart shoved photographer, Gary Mook. This incident forced NASCAR officials to place Stewart on probation and fine the superstar $10,000. Stewart’s own sponsor, Home Depot even fined him a substantial amount of cash. Most people say that Tony Stewart got off easy in that situation and that it has led to the belief that he thinks he can get away with anything. Another incident involving Stewart and the media, after a final practice at Homestead-Miami Speedway Stewart shoved Rusty Jarrett, a photographer who was standing in the garage area taking still pictures. Jarrett says that Stewart went out of his way to walk in front of him and shove him. Another photographer from the Miami Herald took a photo of Stewart pushed up against Jarrett. NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter opened an investigation on this incident. Hunter said the photograph taken by the Miami Herald photographer was inconclusive and Stewart got away with the assault.
Issue 2: Disobedience towards NASCAR
Tony Stewart has not only assaulted fans and media personnel; he has also assaulted NASCAR officials. During the New England 300 in July of 2002 Tony Stewart was involved in an accident. When NASCAR EMTs arrived at the scene Stewart became furious with one EMT who tried to help him out of his car. Stewart responded by striking the EMT. The incident was caught by NBC cameras, and NASCAR reviewed the video. NASCAR stated that they did not consider this incident an issue, therefore letting Tony Stewart get away with yet another assault unscathed. July 7, 2001 at Daytona, Tony Stewart receives a penalty for driving below the yellow line. Stewart becomes infuriated with the call by NASCAR and following the race gets into a shouting match with series director Gary Nelson. At one point during the confrontation, Stewart had to be restrained by crew chief Greg Zipadelli and car owner Joe Gibbs. For this incident Stewart was only fined $10,000 and his probation lengthened. Earlier this season there was an incident were Stewart deliberately disobeyed NASCAR. Stewart was running a Busch Series race and his car was sponsored by rock-rapper, Kid Rock who is billed as an "American Bad Ass." The words American Bad Ass were painted on the hood of Stewart’s car and NASCAR trying to keep the sport clean asked Stewart to put tape over the word "ass." Stewart did as told and taped over the offensive word, but during the first pit stop of the race Stewart ordered his pit crew to pull off the tape covering the word, thus disobeying NASCAR authority. Also recently in a pre race driver’s meeting at Michigan NASCAR officials were explaining new rules before the race. Stewart reportedly stood up said, "Can’t we just go race" and walked out of the meeting. NASCAR sent Stewart to the back of the pack for leaving the meeting early.
Issue 3: Attitude towards Fellow Competitors
The biggest problem that NASCAR superstar Tony Stewart faces is his attitude towards his fellow competitors. There have been over a dozen incidents involving Stewart and other drivers over the past five seasons. In not one of these incidents though has NASCAR strictly disciplined Stewart. Here are just a few of the incidents involving other drivers that Stewart has been involved in, in recent years.
2000 Martinsville Speedway: This was the first of many major incidents involving Tony Stewart and fellow drivers. During this race the late Kenny Irwin was spun out twice by Tony Stewart. Stewart responded by spinning out Irwin’s car, as Irwin’s car was stopped on the track Stewart left his car and threw a pair of heat shields at Irwin’s Ford. Stewart then proceeded to lean into Irwin’s car window and began swinging at Irwin. This incident was truly an embarrassment to NASCAR, who fined Stewart a measly $5,000 for "conduct detrimental to auto racing."
2001 Bristol Motor Speedway: Tony Stewart feels that Jeff Gordon cut him off during a race. After the race is finished, Stewart rams Jeff Gordon’s car on pit road. For this incident, Stewart is fined $10,000 dollars and place on probation (a move NASCAR would make many more times).
2002 Daytona International Speedway: During a practice for a 125-miler qualifying race Robby Gordon cut off Tony Stewart, the move sent proved unsuccessful sending Gordon’s car spinning through the infield grass. Tony Stewart’s car was unharmed, however Stewart took exception to the incident and shoved Robby Gordon when he showed up in Stewart’s garage to explain what happened. Gordon’s proceeded to shove Stewart back igniting a squabble that was separated by Stewart’s pit crew.
2003 Dover International Speedway: Tony Stewart storms past reporters with a crazed look on his face as he is on his way to victory circle to confront race winner Ryan Newman. Newman prevented Stewart from getting a lap back midway through the race. After Newman kept Stewart from regaining the lap, Stewart nearly sent Newman into the wall during a caution period, made an obscene gesture toward Newman’s pit crew, and yelled at Newman’s crew chief, Matt Borland following the race.
2004 Daytona International Speedway: During a practice session for the up coming Daytona 500 John Andretti lightly rubs the car of Tony Stewart. Stewart publicly blames Andretti for the incident referring to Andretti as an "idiot" and says, "Wrecking people is what John Andretti does best." The next week at Rockingham both drivers sit down for a one on one conversation, but afterward Andretti states that he is still upset with the way Stewarts acted towards him at Daytona.
2004 Bristol Motor Speedway: Early in the race Scott Wimmer is forced to slow down rapidly as Ricky Craven slows in front of him. As Wimmer slows, Tony Stewart runs into the back of Wimmer’s car. Later on in the race under a caution period Stewart bumps Wimmer in the rear and turns him around. Both Stewart and Wimmer are penalized one lap for the incident.
2004 Darlington Raceway: During the race Greg Biffle supposedly cut off Tony Stewart on pit road. After the race is completed Stewart confronts Biffle at his hauler to exchange words.
2004 Talladega Superspeedway: Tony Stewarts is involved in multiple incidents on this Sunday. Early on in the race, Stewart becomes impatient with Kurt Busch and spins him causing the "Big One" involving around twenty cars. After the race an apparently angered Stewart speeds down pit lane and has a small collision with veteran Terry Labonte. Some reporters standing by the pits commented that they feared for their safety as Stewart sped down the pit road. After the race Stewart met with Nextel Cup director John Darby, but was not punished.
2004 California Speedway: Just one week after being involved in multiple incidents at Talladega, Stewart is once again involved in multiple incidents this time at California. Early in the race Stewarts bangs doors with Jeff Gordon (for no apparent reason) damaging Gordon’s car. A few laps later Stewart stuck his nose under Ricky Rudd’s Ford briefly lifting Rudd’s car of the track (again for no apparent reason). The main incident in the race involved Stewart and racing vet Rusty Wallace. Early on the race Stewart made contact with Wallace, later Stewart spun Wallace out ending the veteran’s race. While under caution for the spin, Stewart flipped off Wallace, who responded in a race interview by saying, "I’m gonna jam that finger right up his rear end." Once again Stewart was not punished for the incident.
2004 Infineon Raceway: Late in the race, Tony Stewart gets into rookie Brian Vickers sending him around. After the race, Stewart confronted Vickers while still in the car. Brian Vickers says, "He wrecked me in turn eleven, then came over after the race and was mad at me." Tony Stewart proceeded to argue with the rookie who began to laugh at Stewart’s tirade. Stewart taking offense to Vickers laughing lunged through the window and grabbed the rookie by the chest knocking the wind out of him. NASCAR is currently investigating this incident.
In past season NASCAR has suspended drivers for their behavior on and off the track. Last season NASCAR suspended Jimmy Spencer for a race following an incident where he punched Kurt Busch in the face. A few season back, NASCAR suspended Kevin Harvick for spinning out driver Coy Gibbs in a truck race. Tony Stewart has been involved in over a dozen incidents worthy of suspension, yet the worst penalty NASCAR has given Stewart is a $10,000 fine and placed him on probation. Until NASCAR parks Stewart for a race or two, Tony will continue to believe that he can get away with anything and the incidents will continue to increase.
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With that new avatar I would think you would be part of Chebbie Nation. come on and join us EMP.
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I think the 9 was gas only --- no tires.Originally posted by hntr74@Jul 11 2004, 11:05 PM
Did Kasey take 2 tires or not???If not I guess Kahney's crew botched up
Kasey even admitted he was loose on the restart --- until he realized that was letting Tony off, then he changed his story somewhat.
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Whizz i have to agree with your comments 100%, i had stated in an earlier post on this thread that Tony has no patience, his actions on the track more than demonstrate this point clearly. I have always liked the guy as a driver and as a personality in Nascar, but i just can't condone the way he has conducted himself this year. Nascar needs to sit him for a race, that is the only thing that will get his attention. Whether yesterdays' boot of Kasey was a racing incident or not, he has done this kind of thing before. In fact he did it to Kasey earlier this season i believe at Darlington. I think he is in need of a chill pill, has been for awhile. He has enormous talent, a wicked a nice guy off the track too, very approachable and charitable. I feel bad for the guy because he is on the road to become a burnout in Nascar if he doesn't calm down. BTW ...this is in no way intended to bash the guy, just my observations and opinions.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
I think the 9 was gas only --- no tires.Originally posted by TexasRaceLady+Jul 12 2004, 02:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TexasRaceLady @ Jul 12 2004, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--hntr74@Jul 11 2004, 11:05 PM
Did Kasey take 2 tires or not???If not I guess Kahney's crew botched up
Kasey even admitted he was loose on the restart --- until he realized that was letting Tony off, then he changed his story somewhat. [/b][/quote]
It wouldn't matter if Kasey was loose or not, He still would have gotten the big old BOOT!
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How about Ray Evernham going WWE on us?
Did you guys see him on the news talking about Tony Stewart is doing this because nobody has ever put him in his place. He said nobody has ever "whooped him" and that if NASCAR didn't do something soon maybe he might have to beat Tony's @ss himself.
I thought it was pretty funny myself.
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Did you guys see him on the news talking about Tony Stewart is doing this because nobody has ever put him in his place. He said nobody has ever "whooped him" and that if NASCAR didn't do something soon maybe he might have to beat Tony's @ss himself.
I thought it was pretty funny myself.
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Talk is cheap. Tony looks like a pretty stocky guy. That might be harder than Ray might think. :lol:
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
Key word is "stocky" my money is on Ray!
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Now I didn't say puggy. Stocky means he aint gonna be a push over. :lol:
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mayfield should have tgot him when he went around him for the lead.
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I think that would hve been to obvious. Nascar would have black flaged Mayfield.
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I'm going attempt one more time to state my objections to most of the posts on this thread and then let it go and write it off as a hopeless cause. First, after giving a few minutes of thought to this, it sort struck me that yesterday's incident with Kasey is the wrong incident to use as an excuse to call for Tony's massive punishment (or would "banishment" be a better word?). It's wrong on at least two points. First, there was evidence that Kasey wiggled (for whatever reason) before Tony made contact. Second, Kasey, himself, said he got loose just prior to being struck by Tony (and, immediately after those words escaped his mouth he started back peddling with things like "I don't know what really took place......I was shifting and then I was in the wall". Or some such explanation). From what I saw in the replays I tend to believe Kasey's first explanation. I definitely saw Kasey wiggle before Tony tapped him.......and no one is going to convince me otherwise.
With those two thoughts put down I'll try to explain my objections to most of the posts. Tony has been involved in several incidents that did come from over aggressive driving. He's been called down for it. He even had to endure a week or so of publicly being blasted by a race color commentator (actually two commentators). He reacted in a probably questionable manner with his live rants during a couple of interviews..........questionable, but also pretty understandable. All of a sudden almost any contact involving Tony is viewed with through the eyes of critics.........no leeway is offered that maybe whatever occurred just might be "one of them racin' deals". It's always "Tony's at it again". And it's that attitude many have about Tony that makes it hard for many to be objective. Fans of Tony get defensive..........foes of Tony get aggressive. I don't know why that is necessary, but it happens and I guess it will always happen. The prefixing your negative comments of things like "I admire Tony for his driving abilities.........etc, etc," don't soften it much at all. There's always that "but" to follow.
I tried to say much the same a couple weeks ago with Tony and Brian Vickers. Everyone was condemning Tony. And, as it turned out, he was in the wrong. But, that does not alter the fact that everyone was jumping on the Tony needs a vacation wagon.........and they were doing it without knowing all the facts. In fact we knew next to nothing of the facts (and to be honest, I still don't know much of the facts). It's that "Tony has been a ass this season so he needs to be taken down a notch or two" that permeates threads like this. Yesterday's incident with Kasey was a case of "one of them racin' deals"...........but because everyone thinks Tony needs to have his wings clipped, no one (or very few) will view what happened objectively. People tend to see what they want to see......that has been proven to me with authority after reading most posts here. You can (and do) bring all past problems to bolster your biased arguments. But, it appears to me that Tony did attempt to stay out of trouble. Look at his interview.......he stated his case and did not defend what he did because he saw no reason to defend himself. But even that was viewed by some as just being arrogant or something.
It's really sad that so many say that they want Tony to straighten up and get back to racing in his Championship style. Yet, when he does and someone in front of him makes a mistake or has a problem and Tony bumps him, it's back to that "Tony's at it again" thing.
Now for the record. I'm not a Tony Stewart fan. I don't dislike the man at all..........but I really don't care for him much either. It does not bother me in the least if he wins or wrecks. He's a big competitor and is always a threat to beat my guy. I do root against him a lot. But I also find myself rooting for him like a did yesterday simply because he drove a very good race........he dominated and showed how to do it with authority. It's hard to root against a performance like that. I just wish some would tone down the so obvious bias in their posts.
Okay, I said my piece. I will read more in this thread, but I'm offering no more comments. It's simply useless to do so.
With those two thoughts put down I'll try to explain my objections to most of the posts. Tony has been involved in several incidents that did come from over aggressive driving. He's been called down for it. He even had to endure a week or so of publicly being blasted by a race color commentator (actually two commentators). He reacted in a probably questionable manner with his live rants during a couple of interviews..........questionable, but also pretty understandable. All of a sudden almost any contact involving Tony is viewed with through the eyes of critics.........no leeway is offered that maybe whatever occurred just might be "one of them racin' deals". It's always "Tony's at it again". And it's that attitude many have about Tony that makes it hard for many to be objective. Fans of Tony get defensive..........foes of Tony get aggressive. I don't know why that is necessary, but it happens and I guess it will always happen. The prefixing your negative comments of things like "I admire Tony for his driving abilities.........etc, etc," don't soften it much at all. There's always that "but" to follow.
I tried to say much the same a couple weeks ago with Tony and Brian Vickers. Everyone was condemning Tony. And, as it turned out, he was in the wrong. But, that does not alter the fact that everyone was jumping on the Tony needs a vacation wagon.........and they were doing it without knowing all the facts. In fact we knew next to nothing of the facts (and to be honest, I still don't know much of the facts). It's that "Tony has been a ass this season so he needs to be taken down a notch or two" that permeates threads like this. Yesterday's incident with Kasey was a case of "one of them racin' deals"...........but because everyone thinks Tony needs to have his wings clipped, no one (or very few) will view what happened objectively. People tend to see what they want to see......that has been proven to me with authority after reading most posts here. You can (and do) bring all past problems to bolster your biased arguments. But, it appears to me that Tony did attempt to stay out of trouble. Look at his interview.......he stated his case and did not defend what he did because he saw no reason to defend himself. But even that was viewed by some as just being arrogant or something.
It's really sad that so many say that they want Tony to straighten up and get back to racing in his Championship style. Yet, when he does and someone in front of him makes a mistake or has a problem and Tony bumps him, it's back to that "Tony's at it again" thing.
Now for the record. I'm not a Tony Stewart fan. I don't dislike the man at all..........but I really don't care for him much either. It does not bother me in the least if he wins or wrecks. He's a big competitor and is always a threat to beat my guy. I do root against him a lot. But I also find myself rooting for him like a did yesterday simply because he drove a very good race........he dominated and showed how to do it with authority. It's hard to root against a performance like that. I just wish some would tone down the so obvious bias in their posts.
Okay, I said my piece. I will read more in this thread, but I'm offering no more comments. It's simply useless to do so.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
Just teasin..... :lol:
fergy1370
Team Owner
If the incident between Stewy and Kahne was a "racing deal", (which I think it was) what was the deal between Stewy and Andretti?
I noticed that there wasn't a reporter after the race that had the cohones to ask about that...
I noticed that there wasn't a reporter after the race that had the cohones to ask about that...
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Eagle1
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Good post DE_W, I shut up yesterday for pretty much the same reasons.
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Mopardh9
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So DE you have a problem with posters expressing negative opinions about the agressive way Tony has performed on the track this season? I don't get it, if it had been an isolated incident this year that would be one thing, but it isn't, the guy has had a dark cloud following him around almost his entire Cup career. I said it before, i'm not bashing the guy, but the line has to be drawn sometime, hopefully it won't be when he injures a driver due to 1 of his bonehead moves on the track.
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Gollum
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I not a Stewart fan. But I haven't taken sider one way or the other. :lol:
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DE_Wrangler_2
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I think I said I was not going to offer any more comments.Originally posted by Mopardh9@Jul 12 2004, 06:13 PM
So DE you have a problem with posters expressing negative opinions about the aggressive way Tony has performed on the track this season? I don't get it, if it had been an isolated incident this year that would be one thing, but it isn't, the guy has had a dark cloud following him around almost his entire Cup career. I said it before, i'm not bashing the guy, but the line has to be drawn sometime, hopefully it won't be when he injures a driver due to 1 of his bonehead moves on the track.
However, Mopar, think of my screen name and my regular avatar (Smack took that away for the time being ). I like aggressive drivers.........plain and simple. "Mr Niceguy" seldom wins. Tony's aggressive...........that, in my opinion, is a great big plus. So, since you addressed me specifically: I've said what I've said about Tony.......I stand by it. But all I asked is that y'all admit what you are doing......you like "Mr Niceguy", say so. But be objective about who you like and dislike. It's easy to be "forgiving" to "Mr Niceguy".........why is that? Perhaps it's that he doesn't ruffle any feathers? Or is it because it's easy to root for the "niceguy"? I rooted for the bad guy for years.......over twenty to be more precise. But, I saw some pretty nasty moves put on by him too.........I admitted it when it happened. But when he did not do it and accused of it, I also defended him. And this is what this thread is about........did he do it or did he not do it. I say he did not. And I'm no fan of his. The quick to jump and the foes are the ones who are calling for Tony's head...........he does not deserve it this time. Nothing to be confused about. Unless we are wanting revenge for the few problems earlier this season..........which have been addressed by NASCAR. Give the man a chance. But, I guess that's not enough......some of y'all want him gone. Gone for good. That's the shame.
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Mopardh9
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Yeh i rooted for Bill Elliot and i used to hate Dale sr., but in a good way. I liked his swagger, he could back up what he dished out, i respected him and i was glad when he won Daytona. I cried when he died, but that aside i don't think it is about Mr.Niceguy vs Mr.Agressive "DH", i think we all know what the dh stands for. I still stand by my earlier comments that Tony needs to sit a race. Good thread by the way some good view points.
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Brickyard_400
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Kasey took only 2 tires or atleast that what I remember them saying and Tony was on 4 new tires.
Well everyone sorry to of been the culprit of this thread
Then again what do you expect from a newbie Nascar fan!
Will just blame this one on me and lets go racing boys!
Well everyone sorry to of been the culprit of this thread
Then again what do you expect from a newbie Nascar fan!
Will just blame this one on me and lets go racing boys!
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DE_Wrangler_2
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Absolutely no reason to apologize for this thread.......it is a good one. Some of us will never agree on the subject. But that really doesn't matter........it's the opportunity to voice our opinions!!
Do more!!
Do more!!
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EatMorePossum
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I'll keep mine short.
I'm all for calling a spade a spade. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers like a duck, there's a real good chance that it's a duck, no matter how much smoke and mirrors some like to throw up in the way.
Tony Stewart has driven like a thug, talked like a thug, and behaved like a thug for years now.
I wanted to personally hand Zippy a crying towel for his Golden Globe performance after the race. The whole world's picking on Tony Stewart. For the love of garlic bread, give me a break. More like Tony picking on everybody else and them getting pizzed about it if you ask me.
No matter. He's fixing to find himself on a race track with a bunch of folks who he wrecked all year and have no championship at stake. I'm sure they'll just let it all go, too. Then it'll be his turn to see how it feels. And I for one will be cracking up. Then we'll get to hear all the whining from the TS camp about everybody picking on him and ruining his chances and blahblahblah. That'll make me laugh even harder. So make your excuses for him, everybody. Race number 27 is closer than you, and Tony, realize.
I'm all for calling a spade a spade. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers like a duck, there's a real good chance that it's a duck, no matter how much smoke and mirrors some like to throw up in the way.
Tony Stewart has driven like a thug, talked like a thug, and behaved like a thug for years now.
I wanted to personally hand Zippy a crying towel for his Golden Globe performance after the race. The whole world's picking on Tony Stewart. For the love of garlic bread, give me a break. More like Tony picking on everybody else and them getting pizzed about it if you ask me.
No matter. He's fixing to find himself on a race track with a bunch of folks who he wrecked all year and have no championship at stake. I'm sure they'll just let it all go, too. Then it'll be his turn to see how it feels. And I for one will be cracking up. Then we'll get to hear all the whining from the TS camp about everybody picking on him and ruining his chances and blahblahblah. That'll make me laugh even harder. So make your excuses for him, everybody. Race number 27 is closer than you, and Tony, realize.
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Splunge
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Right on EMP...
Here's my take on calling a duck a duck....
On a restart with lapped traffic in front of you, you can't be thinking "ok, floor it and let's go!" Those cars are a lap down for a reason! They're slow...
That means you might want to use your head for at least the first Half a LAP.
This is what irks me most about Tony...he can always blame it on the "racin' is racin'", "accidents are bound to happen"....junk...
There is no doubt in anyone's mind that his car was the best car out there. You can't tell me you can't be smart enough to wait one lap to clear some cars!
Prove to us you are a better driver, don't just think it in your head....out-drive the competition.
Tony is simply a dangerous person because he has no respect for others. One day his 'rubbin is racin' bit is going to kill someone.
Here's my take on calling a duck a duck....
On a restart with lapped traffic in front of you, you can't be thinking "ok, floor it and let's go!" Those cars are a lap down for a reason! They're slow...
That means you might want to use your head for at least the first Half a LAP.
This is what irks me most about Tony...he can always blame it on the "racin' is racin'", "accidents are bound to happen"....junk...
There is no doubt in anyone's mind that his car was the best car out there. You can't tell me you can't be smart enough to wait one lap to clear some cars!
Prove to us you are a better driver, don't just think it in your head....out-drive the competition.
Tony is simply a dangerous person because he has no respect for others. One day his 'rubbin is racin' bit is going to kill someone.
