Tony Stewart to fans: ‘Put some pressure on NASCAR’ for Xfinity race at Eldora

Charlie Spencer said:
Aren't those track expenses, not team expenses?
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NASCAR requires this stuff because teams need it or because safety.

They can set up tents or bring in trailers for all this other stuff.

Lose the SAFER barrier requirements. They don't require them for Eldora. Most of these tracks, late models go faster than Cup cars would because they're lighter. If it's safe enough for late models, it's safe enough for Cup cars.
 
mathematician said:
Explain to me how come ARCA teams who are not exactly rich can afford to have 2 dirt races and NASCAR teams can't...
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A top ARCA team doesn't have a budget of $20 million that it has to blow through to remain in the top 1/3 of the field. The ARCA teams don't dump millions into developing pit guns (example from the past), engineers, software, and hours upon hours in a wind tunnel to remain one of the top 16 teams. Pause for a moment and think about the amount of money the top NASCAR teams would dump into developing a car for one race and how that translates into a time when the are all being forced to cut cost as sponsors leave, or are looking to spend less when the ratings and track attendance is declining. Throwing more expenses at the teams is kind of strange when we are in a time where they are asking NASCAR to help them cut cost.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
ARCA dirt races aren't really dirt races though. They race on flat horse tracks that are packed as firm as asphalt.
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That's not the point. We are not talking about the different racetracks. We were talking about the "affordability" of racing on dirt for NASCAR teams.
 
Towmater said:
A top ARCA team doesn't have a budget of $20 million that it has to blow through to remain in the top 1/3 of the field. The ARCA teams don't dump millions into developing pit guns (example from the past), engineers, software, and hours upon hours in a wind tunnel to remain one of the top 16 teams. Pause for a moment and think about the amount of money the top NASCAR teams would dump into developing a car for one race and how that translates into a time when the are all being forced to cut cost as sponsors leave, or are looking to spend less when the ratings and track attendance is declining. Throwing more expenses at the teams is kind of strange when we are in a time where they are asking NASCAR to help them cut cost.
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I don't get it, so ARCA (and Trucks team and even from this year K &N pro series team) that have smaller budget can afford to race on dirt and NASCAR top division team can't because it would be a waste of money ? it doesn't add up honestly

And it something that could be easily solved: just put a limit on the number of cars you can build in a year or mandate that you use the same car you have used at say, Martinsville, add the grill for dirt and off you go.
 
mathematician said:
so ARCA (and Trucks team and even from this year K &N pro series team) that have smaller budget can afford to race on dirt and NASCAR top division team can't because it would be a waste of money ?
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ARCA is running 20 races this year. The series visits two dirt tracks. That's a minimum of 10% of their schedule, although I couldn't easily find out if they ran more than one event at either of those tracks.

NASCAR Cup runs 36 races. One dirt race would be 2.77% of the schedule, so yes, it would be a waste of money.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Lose the SAFER barrier requirements. They don't require them for Eldora. Most of these tracks, late models go faster than Cup cars would because they're lighter. If it's safe enough for late models, it's safe enough for Cup cars.
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The SAFER barrier requirements NASCAR has in place are questionable at best given they let Thompson, a high-banked 5/8ths mile track run with concrete walls and have mini stocks doing 100+mph into the corners...
 
Towmater said:
A top ARCA team doesn't have a budget of $20 million that it has to blow through to remain in the top 1/3 of the field. The ARCA teams don't dump millions into developing pit guns (example from the past), engineers, software, and hours upon hours in a wind tunnel to remain one of the top 16 teams. Pause for a moment and think about the amount of money the top NASCAR teams would dump into developing a car for one race and how that translates into a time when the are all being forced to cut cost as sponsors leave, or are looking to spend less when the ratings and track attendance is declining. Throwing more expenses at the teams is kind of strange when we are in a time where they are asking NASCAR to help them cut cost.
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you don't need fancy pit guns or a super crew for pit stops, they ALL come in to pit and leave in the same order they came in speed has no bearing on that. A big motor isn't an advantage, neither is aero. Teams will be able to race a car that wouldn't be any good for the asphalt or put together one from wrecked pieces of others. A dirt race for Xfinity would be the cheapest race money wise to prep for there is. It isn't the cars or the drivers that would be the hold up for doing it IMO, from the owners on up the food chain will be where the problems lie with the media gang and Nascar being at the top of it all.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
NASCAR Cup runs 36 races. One dirt race would be 2.77% of the schedule, so yes, it would be a waste of money.
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So it's not a waste of money for the truck series and the K&N pro ? I mean how expensive it is to put a grill on a radiator...

say you don't like it, but saying that they can't afford is too much.
Anyway I am done, I give up. let's just have more of the same until the ratings go down to 0.6 or something. You should be happy isn't the schedule locked for the next 5 million years ?
 
StandOnIt said:
they ALL come in to pit and leave in the same order they came in speed has no bearing on that.
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Oh, lovely, another race with a separate set of rules. Can I go below the yellow line? Will we use one of the two existing qualifying formats or come up with a third?
 
mathematician said:
So it's not a waste of money for the truck series and the K&N pro ? I mean how expensive it is to put a grill on a radiator...

say you don't like it, but saying that they can't afford is too much.
Anyway I am done, I give up. let's just have more of the same until the ratings go down to 0.6 or something. You should be happy isn't the schedule locked for the next 5 million years ?
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I've read quotes that it is indeed a waste of money for the trucks, that even the winners don't break even. I can't speak to the K&N series.

Let's face it, if it wasn't Tony's place, Eldora wouldn't be on the circuit in the first place.
 
StandOnIt said:
you haven't been to a dirt track race I guess.
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Not for 15 years or so, but I don't see the relevance. My problem isn't with whatever format a local track chooses to use. My gritch is with a touring series changing the rules every week. If a track can't be run using the same rules as every other track on the schedule, it shouldn't be on the schedule at all. I don't care if it's Eldora, Daytona, or East Bhumphuque. Ditto Bristol's pit road procedures, while we're at it.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Not for 15 years or so, but I don't see the relevance. My problem isn't with whatever format a local track chooses to use. My gritch is with a touring series changing the rules every week. If a track can't be run using the same rules as every other track on the schedule, it shouldn't be on the schedule at all. I don't care if it's Eldora, Daytona, or East Bhumphuque. Ditto Bristol's pit road procedures, while we're at it.
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keeping the same rules. a 500 mile race on dirt with the stages might take awhile, I guess they would let you take your binky and a blanket
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Not for 15 years or so, but I don't see the relevance. My problem isn't with whatever format a local track chooses to use. My gritch is with a touring series changing the rules every week. If a track can't be run using the same rules as every other track on the schedule, it shouldn't be on the schedule at all. I don't care if it's Eldora, Daytona, or East Bhumphuque. Ditto Bristol's pit road procedures, while we're at it.
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IMO that seems a tad extreme and not beneficial to creating the best series. Daytona and Talladega plate racing isn't terrible because it's different. It's just terrible. Generally I support the idea of the Cup series racing at a diverse set of tracks to be a broader test of skill, and different types of venues can present challenges or the need to be flexible. As long as the rules are clear, and not being changed mid-season or mid-race, track-specific rules aren't inherently a negative. Road course racing is very different than ovals, and I think local yellows or rain tires at road courses should be considered if they can figure it out, for instance.
 
Wow do some of you make this overly complicated. They can easily run the same format as the trucks (heat races, last chance qualifier, A-main) and do a 250 or 300 lap race. You’ll see a quicker race than the trucks for sure as the cars have a little less weight so they should be lapping similar to what we see at Martinsville.

Again be simple folks! The Eldora race was arguably one of the best of the year, why would we not want a track on the schedule that will be guaranteed great racing?
 
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