Truck race

They're sure pouring on the commercials during qualifying.
 
Jeez.. you think the GOAT might want to go back to dirt bikes now?
 
Stewart Fan said:
Will be on in a few hours. KB isn't in it so it should be a competitive race!
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Apparently, Kyle Busch knew what he was doing when he hired Kahne to drive the truck. It's another victory for that team despite him not being there, take nothing away from Kahne, he can drive in the series as he has proven. Another driver might not have been able to get it done the same way getting rid of the theory that you could stick anyone in that truck & he or she would be victoriuos. This was something that some folks criticized Rick Mears for during his career in CART but he proved that even though Penske Racing back then was THE TEAM in the series, not just anybody could have been as successful in those cars as he was, the man could drive.
 
Well so far this season no non-Cup driver has won in either the Truck division or the Nationwide series. How is that working for you Nascar?
 
Kasey 4 starts 3 wins career average finish of 1.25:beerbang:
 
Bucky Badger said:
KB has a big budget? How do you know that? New team last year that had a hard time paying bills in his new building? That had a sponsor leave him high and dry?
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Most of those teams operate on small budgets. Even the big Truck teams operate on very small budgets.

I'm sure KBM has a bigger budget than every other team in Trucks. He wouldn't have gone in if he knew his team wouldn't win.
 
Bucky Badger said:
KB has a big budget? How do you know that? New team last year that had a hard time paying bills in his new building? That had a sponsor leave him high and dry?
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It's just another way to try to slam KB, his team, etc.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Most of those teams operate on small budgets. Even the big Truck teams operate on very small budgets.

I'm sure KBM has a bigger budget than every other team in Trucks. He wouldn't have gone in if he knew his team wouldn't win.
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What is his budget compared to other teams? YOU don't know so you can't say
 
Three truck races and three winners who aren't truck regulars. Is there anyone besides myself who thinks that particular statistic stinks?

So far the current point leader has only one top 5 finish and that was a 4th. Clay Rogers, who is fourth has only one top-5 finish, a 3rd and Johnny Sauter has only a single tip five, a 4th. Whitt and Peters who ares second and third have yet to have a top five finish?

Oh well, I imagine that some folk think that it's OK... But, a series leader who has had, at best, merely a solid season (10th, 7th and a 4th) doesn't say "Champion" me. It just says "Best of the rest" to me.
 
John Galt said:
Three truck races and three winners who aren't truck regulars. Is there anyone besides myself who thinks that particular statistic stinks?

So far the current point leader has only one top 5 finish and that was a 4th. Clay Rogers, who is fourth has only one top-5 finish, a 3rd and Johnny Sauter has only a single tip five, a 4th. Whitt and Peters who ares second and third have yet to have a top five finish?

Oh well, I imagine that some folk think that it's OK... But, a series leader who has had, at best, merely a solid season (10th, 7th and a 4th) doesn't say "Champion" me. It just says "Best of the rest" to me.
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Luckily i think more of the truck races are standalone, so hopefully the Cup guys will not race that many of them. Can' say the same for the NNS races though.
 
I think all the Cup guys should stay out of the truck series. That goes for Busch, Kahne, Harvick and anyone else that tries it.
 
Bucky Badger said:
What is his budget compared to other teams? YOU don't know so you can't say
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Compare the sponsors that Busch and Harvick have for their teams with the other teams in the series. You don't know any different than I do about what the budgets for the different teams are or you would have said so, so you can't say either.
 
Not many start up truck teams build big brand new state of the art shops with little to no budget.
 
Of course the big name cup guys get better sponsorship and although I don't know exact budgets, I'm certainly not foolish enough to think otherwise.

Perhaps that's why the pill is so bitter to swallow when they don't beat the competition.
 
PettyBlue said:
Compare the sponsors that Busch and Harvick have for their teams with the other teams in the series. You don't know any different than I do about what the budgets for the different teams are or you would have said so, so you can't say either.
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AGAIN, you said "BIG LEAUGE BUDGET" Please tell us what his budget is or don't spread false information if you can't provide trhe facts to back it up.
 
PettyBlue said:
Compare the sponsors that Busch and Harvick have for their teams with the other teams in the series. You don't know any different than I do about what the budgets for the different teams are or you would have said so, so you can't say either.
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The budgets in Trucks are very low. If I were to throw out numbers, I'd say some competitive teams operate on less than $1,000,000/year including sponsorship revenue. Realistically, the Truck Series teams pretty much all run on a smaller budget than the ARCA Racing Series presented by Menards teams. That's why a lot of people are bailing ARCA and USAR Pro Cup to run Trucks.

I'd be willing to bet Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick spend more money per race than half of the teams spend for the entire season.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The budgets in Trucks are very low. If I were to throw out numbers, I'd say some competitive teams operate on less than $1,000,000/year including sponsorship revenue. Realistically, the Truck Series teams pretty much all run on a smaller budget than the ARCA Racing Series presented by Menards teams. That's why a lot of people are bailing ARCA and USAR Pro Cup to run Trucks.

I'd be willing to bet Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick spend more money per race than half of the teams spend for the entire season.
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I think you are off on that total, I was talking to a local team member of a Whelen Modified team and he said they spend upwards of a Million on the tour. So if they are spending that kind of money, the truck guys have to be spending a hell of a lot more.
 
Upwards of a million to run 16 races?? Well I guess $3-400,000 could be considered 'upwards'.

I can see a new team spending that much or close to it for a hauler, shop, equipment and spares.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I think you are off on that total, I was talking to a local team member of a Whelen Modified team and he said they spend upwards of a Million on the tour. So if they are spending that kind of money, the truck guys have to be spending a hell of a lot more.
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I've talked to ARCA teams who have told me they've run that series on a $1,000,000 budget and they've told me they could very much run an entire Truck Series season on the same budget and run top-10 (without the Cup drivers). Like I said, a lot of ARCA teams are going in to Trucks because there's no benefit to running ARCA except for the ten that are televised.

Some of the bigger teams (Harvick, Busch, Childress, maybe Ballew) spend more than that. But even then, I know when Ballew loses one or two trucks, it's a devastating loss.

Kyle Busch wins Truck races the same way he wins late model races -- he outspends everybody. If he was as great as he appears to be when he runs Trucks, Nationwide and other races, he would be contending for Sprint Cup championships.
 
SST55 said:
Upwards of a million to run 16 races?? Well I guess $3-400,000 could be considered 'upwards'.

I can see a new team spending that much or close to it for a hauler, shop, equipment and spares.
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I don't know about mods, but I was very surprised to hear what the cost was for ARCA and Trucks. When ARCA teams told me they could spend just as much in Trucks and place top-ten, top-15 finishes, I was floored.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Kyle Busch wins Truck races the same way he wins late model races -- he outspends everybody. If he was as great as he appears to be when he runs Trucks, Nationwide and other races, he would be contending for Sprint Cup championships.
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Exactly, he has a car that is just faster than every other car in the Nationwide series. It's easy to look like you are the best driver when you have a MUCH better car. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent because he does but he is NOT as good as people act. Put him in a non JGR car in the Nationwide series and see how he does.
 
Stewart Fan said:
Exactly, he has a car that is just faster than every other car in the Nationwide series. It's easy to look like you are the best driver when you have a MUCH better car. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent because he does but he is NOT as good as people act. Put him in a non JGR car in the Nationwide series and see how he does.
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Well, I mean, he's run well with Braun and D'Hondt Motorsports, but neither of those teams are exactly low budget operations either.

Kyle's good, but he's not as good as we're led to believe... when he was running ASA and ARCA, he was in Hendrick equipment. In an average ARCA race, you bring a Cup car out like Kyle did and Joey did in all their ARCA starts and you're destined to win.

Not knocking Kyle, I'm just stating facts here. Fact is he has never gone deep in to the Chase. Actually, he's never been a factor in the Chase... as far as talent goes, as of right now, I can't even put him in the same league as Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Mark Martin, Kevin Harvick, Tony Stewart and Denny Hamlin. When he's consistent and contending for championships, I'll say he's that good.
 
And Kasey Kahne's win in the Truck race pretty much solidified that it's the equipment, not the driver.

I think Kahne's good, but I would consider him a B-list driver in Cup. He wins races, sure, but they're few and far between, he's always been very inconsistent. I'd put Kahne on the same list as McMurray and Biffle.
 
SST55 said:
Upwards of a million to run 16 races?? Well I guess $3-400,000 could be considered 'upwards'.

I can see a new team spending that much or close to it for a hauler, shop, equipment and spares.
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Yes 3 years ago I was talking to a crew member of Mike Stefaniks #16 team and he said they spent over a million that year on the tour. You figure they have 2 cars, with engines and trannies, that's over $100k right there. An engine alone goes for about $35-$40K. I was surprised though when he said a million, I would of said about half that. Got to figure all the travel, hauler, crew, motels expenses, all the parts ,fuel, and tires. It all adds up quickly. Hell a set of tires is $800, so you figure for a race ,including practice, you will spend about $2k on just tires. He could of been embelishing the cost a little, but I know being one of the top teams, they don't skimp when it comes to equipment.
 
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