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FLRacingFan said:
It is, to say the least, interesting how it all works. Ferrari get almost $70m just for being Ferrari. Williams get a $10m heritage payout. Red Bull and Mercedes each get $35m bonuses, the former for signing the most recent bilateral agreement first and the latter for meeting its agreed-upon target of two championships. Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull, and McLaren all have separate deals for another bonus exceeding $30m. Is it all fair, probably not. But Sauber getting ~ $50m is still way more than any NASCAR team can ever hope to collect from NASCAR. Vast differences between how the two operate.


Plus, Formula E isn't at all only half as expensive as IndyCar. It's just propped up by factories - BMW, Audi, Nissan, Porsche, Mercedes, Ford, Jaguar all involved or soon to be involved. They're basically just big R&D efforts.
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Okay, I'm confused. You've rattled off a list of teams and the amount of money they're getting. What's missing is who this money is coming from. Is this from sponsors, manufacturers, or somebody else?
 
FLRacingFan said:
That's money from Formula One Management.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/129388/formula-1-team-payments-for-2017-revealed
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"Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull and McLaren have agreed separate deals for constructors' championship bonus payments.
Ferrari also receives a long-standing team payment while Williams collects a heritage payment.
Red Bull receives an extra payment for being the first team to sign the current bi-lateral agreement, which runs to 2020, and this totals $35m.
After meeting its agreed target of two world championships, Mercedes earns a special annual payment that matches Red Bull's."

Okay, that's coitused vertically, and I don't toss that phrase around very often. The sanctioning body actually plays favorites??? This makes the charter system look sane.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
"Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull and McLaren have agreed separate deals for constructors' championship bonus payments.
Ferrari also receives a long-standing team payment while Williams collects a heritage payment.
Red Bull receives an extra payment for being the first team to sign the current bi-lateral agreement, which runs to 2020, and this totals $35m.
After meeting its agreed target of two world championships, Mercedes earns a special annual payment that matches Red Bull's."

Okay, that's coitused vertically, and I don't toss that phrase around very often. The sanctioning body actually plays favorites??? This makes the charter system look sane.
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There are valid arguments both ways - for and against - how F1 monies are paid out. How does F1 get that billion bucks to pay out? Not from the draw that Sauber has to put butts in the seats and attract TV viewers. (FOM money is also paid for current performance... if Sauber beats Ferrari on the track they will get more of that money stream than Ferrari does.)

At the end of the day, both F1 and Nascar face a lot of the same challenges. Cost of doing business is too high in both. Quality of racing has challenges as well. As far as addressing the quality of the on-track product, my opinion is that Nascar has done a vastly better job than F1 in addressing the problems... but YMMV.
 
I have never been a fan of F1 and years ago a friend jokingly told me that if I wanted to know the race winner just check to see who got the pole. I have always been told that soccer and F1 have huge worldwide followings but never challenged it or looked into it to verify it. I don't know if this is true or not but I had heard that F1 drivers are paid handsomely and have a cult like following in some quarters. If true it sounds a lot different than Nascar.
 
AtomicPunk55 said:
I have never been a fan of F1 and years ago a friend jokingly told me that if I wanted to know the race winner just check to see who got the pole. I have always been told that soccer and F1 have huge worldwide followings but never challenged it or looked into it to verify it. I don't know if this is true or not but I had heard that F1 drivers are paid handsomely and have a cult like following in some quarters. If true it sounds a lot different than Nascar.
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Certain NASCAR drivers have a cult like following. There is the cult of Sr., Jr., and the King.
 
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