Using Cars As Weapons

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So I was going to put this in the short track section, since this kind of chit happens more often in short tracks, but seeing how Kyle Busch did this yesterday at Dover, I decided to put it here.

So what is everyone's opinion on drivers turning their machines into weapons for retaliation? Yesterday we clearly saw Kyle Busch wait on Bowyer and literally had to be talked into the garage. This came on the heel of what happened at Bowman Gray Stadium where Burt Myers spun Junior Miller out on the last lap for the win. Junior Miller decided to wait on Myers and chase him around the track just to spin him out in the football field.

I'll admit, these kind of stunts can be entertaining, I'll admit that I was on my feet and cheering on the confrontation between Harvick and Dillion in the fall Truck race at Martinsville. However, I do have to admit that these kinds of stunt also hurt the image of the sport, as most of the USA still sees NASCAR and stock car racing nothing more than rednecks going around in circles. From a purely sport perspective, it doesn't add anything.

I don't think it really helps the driver's images as well, I mean I thought Kyle Busch was improving on the whole rageaholic front, but apparently he took a few steps back in Dover. I mean I don't mind a few bumps here and there during a race. I don't mind a driver "moving" a car out of the way without spinning him out. However, I think turning the cars into weapons after the race is over or when the caution comes out is uncalled for and it makes our sport look bad.
 
I like it. I think it's good for the sport. It's passion.
I wouldn't have minded seeing Clint get punted into the fence yesterday. JMO.
 
i feel like someone going go to far one of these days and someone gonna be hurt really bad. but seeing kyle at dover made me laugh, not because i find it intertaining, but because of that day at darlington. kyle showed he uses his car as a weapon, face to face, he couldn't get away quick enough

 
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Sooner or later a driver is going to get hurt. His antics with Hornaday in Texas in the trucks should have sent him home for a month to think about it. Harvick spun a guy under caution in a truck race and the following day they parked him for the cup race!!! IIRC it was a cup race, maybe it was a Busch race?
 
Its a tight rope...The Brain wants good ratings and these fist fights and altercations increase ratings but if they let it get too far without some kind of punishment someone may get hurt...
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I can't believe that there wouldn't have been some indication of that over the weekend leading up to the race.
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not sure if i heard this right or not, but didn't one of the booth morons say something about someone looking at that spot the night before.
 
Retaliation is cool... The way KyBu has done it in several times in the past is downright dangerous.

I know JG made a terrible decision at Phoenix a couple years ago. I have a feeling he learned a lesson on that day though and we won't see anymore kamikaze wrecking out of him.
 
The Hornaday/Busch incident in the truck race is the main reason these guys cant be using their cars as weapons - Kyle turned him head on into the wall at relatively high speed... ridiculous. BUT but but, I do think that guys should be prepared to handle the situations outside the car without Nascar getting involved. Like the Mears/Ambrose thing - I guess I just don't understand why penalties were issued, they handled it like men just one has a hell of right hook!
 
pudge said:
not sure if i heard this right or not, but didn't one of the booth morons say something about someone looking at that spot the night before.
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Yes, they were looking at it the night before. Didn't do anything, just looked...
 
never been a fan of gooning it up, go watch boxing or UFC or even better, pro wrestling.
 
I'm OK with it as long as they don't turn the guy head on into the wall, i.e. Gordon/Bowyer at Phoenix and KyBu/Hornaday at Texas. You could really hurt somebody doing that sh!t.
 
pudge said:
i think half are mad he didn't get to clint and half are mad that he tried to get to clint, and half don't care about either driver
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Three halves???

I hate this new math.

On the track I'm OK with. In the pits is off limits.
 
pudge said:
i think half are mad he didn't get to clint and half are mad that he tried to get to clint, and half don't care about either driver
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3 halves?! Hol' up now ;)

Ill quote Harvick
"Fights? I like fights. This sport was made on fights. We should have more fights"

Then Stewart
"Nascar should let us handle it like hockey and when the first one goes to the ground its over"

Fights just means passion and emotion. Yall complain about drivers being too vanilla but when they go after someone you complain they have too much emotion. Get it together yall. As far as using cars as weapons, meh. These are race cars. They are meant to withstand harder impacts than a hit at 60 mph under yellow. Drivers will be fine. Lettem duke it out when they get outta their cars too.

@pudge that video of kyle pussying out from kevin is classic.
 
My only problem with using your car as a weapon is when you slam them hard into a wall. Now with Kyle yesterday, he has plenty of times cut in front of someone like that and oh after lol he tries to wreck the person, no matter which side he was on with Clint yesterday he would have acted like a punk.
 
For the most part I don't like retaliation. But there are times when a driver reaches his breaking point and feels the need to retaliate.

I recall a couple of Keselowski situations. Edwards got wrecked when Keselowski held the line at a super speedway, Edwards retaliated at a different race and took Keselowski out in a dangerous way - that was not cool. Hamlin called Keselowski out before a Nationwide race and spun him out shortly after the race started, - that was cool because Kez deserved it, he has caused a lot of wrecks in his early days when he was coming up.

Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick go at it on occasion because I think they really don't like each other. The dark side of me enjoys their blowups.

The best example of justified retaliation was Sam Hornish in ARCA; he was going to win the championship until the second place guy took him out near the end of the last race. Sam hit the pits, got his car fixed up enough to retaliate and took the guy out.
 
I like it. Did not like the Hornaday/Busch incident. If you're gonna do it with your car, do it under caution at a safe pace.

These guys can't settle it in the pits these days when there's a hundred or so officials in the infield.
 
I say be a REAL man and settle it on twitter! Forget this pansy face to face crap.
140 characters? **** just got real.
 
mike honcho said:
Be a man.Settle it in the pits.:bounce:
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Fights on the frontstretch are always better. Hate is good.

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Kyle didn't do anything wrong Sunday. What he did at Texas in the trucks and a bump under caution are two different things.
 
Clint lucked out sunday, thankfully they talked Kyle out of destroying the 15. Had me worried though
 
How do we know that Kyle wasn't just going to catch up to Clint and give him the ol one finger salute? That's not going to injure anyone...except maybe the person giving it.:D
 
I absolutely love the passion and emotion that drivers have especially at the local short tracks (BGS BABY!) where they would wreck their own equipment that they work on just to prove a point and say "I really didn't appreciate that." Watching Junior and Bert chase each other around the track and Junior's daughter coming up and swinging at Burt in victory lane was some RAW EXCITEMENTI don't care about the negative opinions of retaliation it's a part of the sport that's been around a while it aint goin anywhere; Thank God. ---As for Kyle the old Kyle would have hit Clint the mature Kyle actually listened to the guys talking him down.
 
Well, one thing I've learned is that a Tiger can't change his stripes, and Kyle can't change who he is. He'll always be a hot headed little twerp.
 
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