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I thought the race was decent. We did see the second car able to pass. however Kevin harvick had a HUGE advantage over everyone else. Its not often we see a car with such a big disparity in speed over the rest of the field. To most it probably didn't seem that much. Harvick wasn't driving the car that hard, When he flexed his muscle was passing a car off the corner. He went around them like they were standing still. I would say when needed he could summon an extra 4 tenths over a competitor in lap time. That is not very common of an advantage in todays sport. The rest of the time he just kept a comfortable gap over second place and would speed up if necessary. I am sure the teams are wondering what they have to do to run with harvick.

The second surprise to me and I am still scratching my head. these cars have a TON more corner speed now. I always thought less downforce, less corner speed. perhaps wacking some spoiler off made the balance of the car better where as before it may have been so much rear down force it was making the cars tighter, too tight maybe. the other indicator is just how much they were in the throttle. It was just a burp entering the corner and before the car was in the center of the corner they were on the gas almost all the way again. This is a much different driving style than before. Its almost like an indy car driving style to me. They are back on the gas SOOO soon again.

next tony stewart, its not the car something is wrong with tony the driver. There is no way a driver like him gets beat by danica on a consistent basis. I simply just don't buy the fact that they can't get the car right. put harvicks setup in any car out there with any driver and they could probably run it within a half to 3/4 of a second of harvick. Tony is not right in fact I think he is actually worse, maybe because of the latest surgery, I am actually getting worried about him.

Roush, my goodness, These guys are in big trouble. are front row motorsports cars faster now days?? well maybe. I felt the same about RCR last year but it appears the alliances have made everyone there better. Where in the world did newman come from yesterday? he wasn't a player nearly all race. Roush needs to allign better with other teams provide cars and support.
 
"Its not often we see a car with such a big disparity in speed over the rest of the field."

We saw it almost all of last year with the Harvick car, but bad luck kept the results out of the equation, but Harvick and Rodney Childers dominated. The rest of it I agree. I was saying before the season on a Ford thread that Chris Beuscher without any experience in cup would do better than that bum Stenhouse. I gave Bayne the benefit of the doubt trying to be optomistic, but he is just as bad. Both of them three laps down while Biffle finished on the lead lap at least. Stewart is liable to do anything including quitting cup cars in the middle of the season, he has always been a loose cannon so not much of what he does surprises me. He will be involved in racing in some way for as long as he is able I believe.
 
harvick was fast last year too. I actually think harvick is a way better driver than anyone really knew. 4 tenths faster is a nightmare of an advantage to overcome. that is why jr took 2 tires and gave up a sure second place finish. There simply was just no way to pass him. The better call would have been to stay out longer and hope a caution came out after harvick pitted.
 
harvick was fast last year too. I actually think harvick is a way better driver than anyone really knew. 4 tenths faster is a nightmare of an advantage to overcome. that is why jr took 2 tires and gave up a sure second place finish. There simply was just no way to pass him. The better call would have been to stay out longer and hope a caution came out after harvick pitted.

They 88 bunch boneheaded both races this weekend. Jr said he liked the call? with taking two. :idunno:
 
I think it was clear to most Nascar observers that RFR was DOA before the green flag dropped on the first race this year. Biffle is a good journeyman driver but certainly not an "A" guy. Based upon ability Stenny and Bayne have no business in cup and Jack would be better served to go and find what Jeff and David Green are doing these days and employ them.

It is still to early to make any definitive proclamations regarding Smoke.

I am not taking anything away from Harvick but Nascar has always been cyclical. At the end of the day my money would still be on Chad and JJ.
 
I feel Harvick is the new Jimmie Johnson, will be a threat for the title and probably win the title the next few years. Luck kept them from winning so many races last year, i wonder how many they truly can win.
 
I feel Harvick is the new Jimmie Johnson, will be a threat for the title and probably win the title the next few years. Luck kept them from winning so many races last year, i wonder how many they truly can win.

They may win a lot of races this year like Kenseth did a couple of years back .Then get cold when the other teams catch on to what they are doing . As far as winning a second championship , that 's nearly impossible today no matter how good you are .Trevor Bayne has pretty much the same chance.
 
They may win a lot of races this year like Kenseth did a couple of years back .Then get cold when the other teams catch on to what they are doing . As far as winning a second championship , that 's nearly impossible today no matter how good you are .Trevor Bayne has pretty much the same chance.

yeah the new chase can not only crown an underdog, but negate a dominate one. But in last years series IMO the best car all year won it. Their domination didn't show up in the stat book win columns, but that was the fastest car all year. This year could be different.
 
yeah the new chase can not only crown an underdog, but negate a dominate one. But in last years series IMO the best car all year won it. Their domination didn't show up in the stat book win columns, but that was the fastest car all year. This year could be different.

I felt exactly the same way , but Nascar lucked into that deal . This season we are due for a big disaster and then folks will realize what a mess this can be.
 
I felt exactly the same way , but Nascar lucked into that deal . This season we are due for a big disaster and then folks will realize what a mess this can be.
Yeah that is the way it is set up, you know with four cars racing for it there will be at least one car or two..like Newman/Hamlin last year that will raise the hackles on a lot of fans if they win.
 
They may win a lot of races this year like Kenseth did a couple of years back .Then get cold when the other teams catch on to what they are doing . As far as winning a second championship , that 's nearly impossible today no matter how good you are .Trevor Bayne has pretty much the same chance.
Definitely cyclical but it may be a bit before they fade away. What Kenseth did was impressive but as JGR began to struggle so did the 20 team. The 4 team seems to be getting stronger and stronger regardless of how SHR runs and now in their second yr. with a new rules package they have led the most laps in both downforce races.... early yes but they aren't showing signs of slowing down.
 
I remember Harry Gant doing it , Mark Martin ,Bill Elliott , Jeff Gordon , Jimmie Johnson , just when you think they are unbeatable , some tourist sticks camera under the car and takes a picture .
 
Yeah that is the way it is set up, you know with four cars racing for it there will be at least one car or two..like Newman/Hamlin last year that will raise the hackles on a lot of fans if they win.

I would love to see someone without a win just sneak into the chase and then not win in the chase but finish best overall. I might even send Brian a bottle of Crown if that happened.
 
Definitely cyclical but it may be a bit before they fade away. What Kenseth did was impressive but as JGR began to struggle so did the 20 team. The 4 team seems to be getting stronger and stronger regardless of how SHR runs and now in their second yr. with a new rules package they have led the most laps in both downforce races.... early yes but they aren't showing signs of slowing down.

The 48 team was running well until they shot themselves in the foot so I wouldn't be handing the keys to the kingdom just yet.
 
I would love to see someone without a win just sneak into the chase and then not win in the chase but finish best overall. I might even send Brian a bottle of Crown if that happened.

it's bound to happen the way it is set up. Sooner or later a 0 or 1 win car will win it. they will probably get more publicity if something like that happens. That's the big problem already with a lot of the chase haters and it hasn't even happened yet. I see the point, but until something better comes along, I'm and everybody else is stuck with it.
 
it's bound to happen the way it is set up. Sooner or later a 0 or 1 win car will win it. they will probably get more publicity if something like that happens. That's the big problem already with a lot of the chase haters and it hasn't even happened yet. I see the point, but until something better comes along, I'm and everybody else is stuck with it.
Read the post above yours. ;)
 
5 cars had a better average finish on the 2014 Cup season than did the 4 car, but they gave the trophy to the 4. Herein lies the problem with The chase.
 
it's bound to happen the way it is set up. Sooner or later a 0 or 1 win car will win it. they will probably get more publicity if something like that happens. That's the big problem already with a lot of the chase haters and it hasn't even happened yet. I see the point, but until something better comes along, I'm and everybody else is stuck with it.

There are guys that can run well (Edwards, Gordon, Kenseth for instance) who can go a long time between wins yet still run well so I believe you are right....it will happen.
 
They may win a lot of races this year like Kenseth did a couple of years back .Then get cold when the other teams catch on to what they are doing . As far as winning a second championship , that 's nearly impossible today no matter how good you are .Trevor Bayne has pretty much the same chance.



If the other teams havent caught on by now something is up, they are starting off right where they left off last year, nobody is close
 
Not everyone could run the bottom on both ends of the track. Kevin ran the bottom but it seemed he could run any groove through the corners and make it work. He really killed them coming through 2, down the back stretch. Looked like he had the best set up all day long.
 
The thing that is alarming about The Champion is that they were **** on Friday, and Rodney had the ability to adjust to a dominant car. I don't remember seeing that last year. Usually, they were dominant start to finish. Last weekend, they had to work on it. They did, and they dominated. There's the standard girls...and that target is moving....we now know what needs to be done. Gonna be interesting.
 
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