Vegas track renovations to make a more fan friendly experience

FLRacingFan said:
I love Daytona's renovations. In hindsight, the old stadium was a dump and the new one is an upgrade in just about every aspect. I don't think I've gone to a NASCAR race there yet since the renovations but the ticket prices for the other events I attend there are still reasonable, and I don't think that the NASCAR prices have really risen that much. But I think the biggest difference here is that DIS upgraded everywhere, and every fan benefited regardless of where they sat. In this case, LVMS is taking at least a few areas that were open to GA ticketholders before and upselling them as part of this massive package now. DIS was a fundamental redesign from the ground up - escalators, elevators, massive amounts of space outside the fronstretch, easier entrances, concessions, bathrooms, wide-open concourse areas, social areas, better seats, better seating angles, massive fans, aesthetics, just everything. DIS set the standard in every way. LVMS seems to be, for the most part, just upgrading certain areas and making them more exclusive. They're throwing the commoners a small bone with the Turn 1 pavilion and that's about it.

At least, that's just my take.
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IMO Daytona shouldn't be the standard in future track renovations...that's a little upscale for most places.

Of course I'm content with dirt parking lots and aluminum bleachers and random church groups selling roast beef sandwiches for $7 as "concessions". Unless you're Daytona or Bristol and hold major events outside of NASCAR there's just no ROI to upgrade your entire track grandstands when it's empty 359 days a year (2 race weekends...6 days total), and at 30% capacity for all but Cup races.
 
Johali said:
It gets awful cold in Vegas ya know. The March race was 88 degrees during the race and in September it averages 95 degrees. Gotta have a good fire going. :confused:
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I've been to the Vegas race when it was sleeting and in the 30s, and the place was packed. Now it's in the 80s and they are getting rid of cheap seats and adding $1800 boxes, it all makes sense.:rolleyes:
 
Vegas has a nice facility and is one of the better 1.5 milers on the schedules lately. Though I wish more of these renovations were at short tracks, I think Richmond is getting an actual garage renovation which is good.

Would have preferred these "renovations" were at the Bullring so they could have 15,000-20,000 seats and SAFER barriers.
 
The Vegas renovations look cool and pretty nice,but I’m not sure who they appeal to. I thought I saw a fire pit in one of the pictures, what the hell? And $1800 price for a box, again they are nice but man they are trying to hit a HR when a double or triple would be sufficient with what is left of attendance right now. They should be catering to the fans that show up instead of trying to reel in the deep pocket fans that probably won’t go to a race when they are in Vegas anyways. But the design is nice, looks top shelf. And I seen posters commenting on Daytona...it truly is better than some stadiums I been to, DIS is a crown jewel
 
Mispeedway15 said:
I wish more tracks would do what Eldora does and carve out large steps on hillsides to bring lawn chairs. That's one of the reasons I love going to Mid Ohio and Eldora so much
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Bingo!
Every time I read about these tracks enhancing the fan experience, my first thought is "not for me". Daytona is the exception. Maybe I am off base, but I think most of the people attracted to these new enhancements are casual fans with deep pockets. Here today gone tomorrow. If you want to build your fan base, make changes for the average fans who bring their families, especially the kids. Having areas where families can sit on the hillside while the little ones play (with little race cars) has worked at short tracks for years. And now there is plenty of room for this to be done. It would even make the attendance look bigger.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
"How much for a glass of lemonade, kid?"
"$935 dollars, sir."
"$935 dollars? How do you expect to make any money with prices that high?"'
"I only need to sell one."
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Thing is..... That lemonade is probably only wort a couple cents. Easy to make that money back, and then some, with one sucker of a customer. One of those $900+ sale for that upgraded section is not going to offset those construction costs. There better be a lot of suckers attending in line for that overpriced section of the grandstands.
 
aunty dive said:
Probably sometime in the Paleolithic era as the ice sheet was receding.

Aerodynamics hadn’t been invented yet ... the racing was much better.
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MRM said:
Maybe the Vegas changes are to convince NASCAR to hold the championship race there instead of Homestead.
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I have not heard anything good or bad about Homestead as I have ignored the finale for many years but I would think a move to Sin City would get more eyeballs on the last race of the year. I believe it is a SMI track so IDK what the chances of it getting the finale would be.
 
MRM said:
Maybe the Vegas changes are to convince NASCAR to hold the championship race there instead of Homestead.
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I'd welcome it, even though it's currently an easy drive for me if I decide to go down for it.

I've been saying for a few years, if they want that race to ever be the spectacle it's supposed to be, Homestead needs to do some serious work to their facilities. They also need to build their grandstands up higher. Vegas is the perfect location for events that are supposed to have that grand feel to them.
 
I asked a friend of mine that's a semi retired oddsmaker from Las Vegas (he moved down here and conducts his business online) about this. He said that you have to take into account the fact that each casino will comp thousands of tickets per race to their customers. He say's most of them are club or suite level. They buy in bulk and get a discount but not a very big one.
 
Johali said:
I asked a friend of mine that's a semi retired oddsmaker from Las Vegas (he moved down here and conducts his business online) about this. He said that you have to take into account the fact that each casino will comp thousands of tickets per race to their customers. He say's most of them are club or suite level. They buy in bulk and get a discount but not a very big one.
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That makes it sound like this set-up wouldn't work at most other tracks that aren't in a tourism / gambling mecca.
 
joe h said:
2006, my parents were at that race and sent me photos of snow on the ground in Vegas. I went the following year and wore a sweatshirt for most of the race.
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Thanks for the info. :)
 
I was at Vegas for the inaugural race --- wasn't freezing, but it was COLD to start with. Fortunately, the sun came out
and it got warm enough to take the coat off, but not the sweat shirt.
 
I remember being at Bristol one spring when it snowed briefly but the year escapes me and I am not going to look through 20 years of weather reports to determine the year it occurred but I swear that it did happen.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
IMO Daytona shouldn't be the standard in future track renovations...that's a little upscale for most places.

Of course I'm content with dirt parking lots and aluminum bleachers and random church groups selling roast beef sandwiches for $7 as "concessions". Unless you're Daytona or Bristol and hold major events outside of NASCAR there's just no ROI to upgrade your entire track grandstands when it's empty 359 days a year (2 race weekends...6 days total), and at 30% capacity for all but Cup races.
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It doesn't need to be that pristine or expensive, but it sure is nice to not be crowded everywhere you walk throughout the property and not have half of someone else's ass on your leg the whole race. Although I guess that was more of an issue at Daytona than anywhere else with the huge crowds.

Now if a track took the idea of what the Falcons did and got some partners to agree to relatively low concession prices that'd be a big win.
 
the best renovation would be a short drive to have the race at Bakersfield raceway!
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Rick Hendrick will sign Buckshot Jones to the #48 before NASCAR holds its finale at an SMI track.
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I like Homestead, but I'll be honest and say that place struggles to sell out just the 46k or whatever capacity - for the championship race. I'm not sure they can afford to move that date anywhere else.
 
FLRacingFan said:
It doesn't need to be that pristine or expensive, but it sure is nice to not be crowded everywhere you walk throughout the property and not have half of someone else's ass on your leg the whole race. Although I guess that was more of an issue at Daytona than anywhere else with the huge crowds.

Now if a track took the idea of what the Falcons did and got some partners to agree to relatively low concession prices that'd be a big win.
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During Nascar's zenith the night race at Bristol was never great for seating as between the plus size people and coolers you were packed in like a sardine.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I remember being at Bristol one spring when it snowed briefly but the year escapes me and I am not going to look through 20 years of weather reports to determine the year it occurred but I swear that it did happen.
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I've seen snow several times over the years at Bristol. Heck, I've white knuckled my RV to/from that place in spring blizzard conditions. I can only remember it snowing once during the Busch race on a Saturday. I don't remember the year but it was one of the weekends that Kurt Busch won and produced one of the dumbest celebrations that I've ever seen..... A snow angel on the high banks. Some liked it. I'm just not a Busch fan..... either of them.
 
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TexasRaceLady said:
I was at Vegas for the inaugural race --- wasn't freezing, but it was COLD to start with. Fortunately, the sun came out
and it got warm enough to take the coat off, but not the sweat shirt.
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Yep. Weather history say's it was a low of 43 and a high of 68.
 
MRM said:
Maybe the Vegas changes are to convince NASCAR to hold the championship race there instead of Homestead.
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We can only hope! :booya: :punkrocke I am all for it. I live 150 miles from the Homestead Track and I will not be there, but, if it was in Vegas, I would very much consider being there.
(kind a nice to think about it, but, it ain't a never gonna happen)
 
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