Vickers likely signing to drive the 55 in 2014

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Jeffrey00 said:
True, I do think Vickers is better than Sadler, but Sadler must be real pissed at Childress right now. If it wasn't for Childress Sadler was suppose to get the 55 part time ride.
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I like Elliott Sadler and he did get screwed, but just to play devil's advocate, nobody held a gun to his head and made him sign his contract with Childress. He committed himself to Childress' Nationwide ride at a point when nobody would give him a Cup ride. You reap what you sow.
 
KevinWI said:
I like Elliott Sadler and he did get screwed, but just to play devil's advocate, nobody held a gun to his head and made him sign his contract with Childress. He committed himself to Childress' Nationwide ride at a point when nobody would give him a Cup ride. You reap what you sow.
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Actually he signed with KHI. If I remember correctly when Kevin sold KHI to RCR his contract carried over. The reason Richard put a stump to it was because Sadler was running for a Championship that year and Richard didn't think it looked good for Chevy. I think that was the decision that caused Sadler to take his sponsor to Gibbs.
 
I can't see the hoopla about signing a mid pack driver myself. He has been around for quite a while, 2 wins in 11 years out of 269 races? Raced for Red Bull and Hendrick and didn't do squat, can't say it was the car's fault.
 
StandOnIt said:
I can't see the hoopla about signing a mid pack driver myself. He has been around for quite a while, 2 wins in 11 years out of 269 races? Raced for Red Bull and Hendrick and didn't do squat, can't say it was the car's fault.
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Vickers is a damn good driver. Is he a Busch, Stewart, Johnson, or Gordon? No, but he can win and compete for a chase spot in the 55. Out of the available drivers I think he is a great fit for the 55.
 
yeah, he can compete for a chase spot, they all do that. He has never had a top ten year in 11 years driving good equipment. good luck with that.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah, he can compete for a chase spot, they all do that. He has never had a top ten year in 11 years driving good equipment. good luck with that.
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I find it funny that you call Red Bull good equipment. Please don't use Kasey Kahne as an example. It took Vickers a couple years to help build up the Red Bull team, and he was able to get a win in it, but it didn't start out that good. As for the 25 teams, name me a drive other than Jr that did decent in that ride.

Also it took Jr and the money he brings in to move that team to better competition. Like sharing a garage with the 48.
 
Vickers still has a good amount of upside. He got into NASCAR so early and so young that even though he made his first Nationwide start in '01 and his first Cup start in '03 he's still the same age as Keselowski and only four years older than the probable ROTY, Stenhouse.

He was able to win with and get into the Chase with Team Red Bull once he got some more experience before health issues got to him. He's also had some really good results with MWR in the last year and a half and once he gets into the #55 full-time and develops some continuity I think he'll be able to win races. I thought he was put under too much pressure early in his career but I liked him at Hendrick and I wish him the best in his second Cup stint.
 
Good luck with all that, like I said Vickers is a wheel holder, never been in the top ten in cup with good equipment, had 11 years of trying and somehow, he is going to get into the chase in 2014? not likely. he is in the b league running 9th 74 points, almost two whole races out of first. guess you will tell me there is something wrong with the Gibbs N'Wide equipment next.o_O
 
StandOnIt said:
Good luck with all that, like I said Vickers is a wheel holder, never been in the top ten in cup with good equipment, had 11 years of trying and somehow, he is going to get into the chase in 2014? not likely. he is in the b league running 9th 74 points, almost two whole races out of first. guess you will tell me there is something wrong with the Gibbs N'Wide equipment next.o_O
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Small sample size (eight races), but he did have the 11th-best average finish in Cup last year at 13.2, in between Kahne (13.1) and Kyle Busch (13.3).

As far as Nationwide this year, he'd be a lot higher in points if he didn't get wrecked out at Talladega, Iowa, and Michigan, and lose an engine at Fontana. Only one other Nationwide regular has more Top 5's than Vickers and that's Hornish.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Small sample size (eight races), but he did have the 11th-best average finish in Cup last year at 13.2, in between Kahne (13.1) and Kyle Busch (13.3).

As far as Nationwide this year, he'd be a lot higher in points if he didn't get wrecked out at Talladega, Iowa, and Michigan, and lose an engine at Fontana. Only one other Nationwide regular has more Top 5's than Vickers and that's Hornish.
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they both won races..he doesn't. all these "if onlys"..glad you guys are thrilled. Whoopie.. top fives in the b league, there isn't a reset 74 points behind, and sorry but swerving Sammy is another who manages to shoot himself in the foot driving good equipment, don't get me started on bonehead Sadler either. they are right where they need to be in the B league. That's where Vickers needs to stay IMO.
 
StandOnIt said:
they both won races..he doesn't. all these "if onlys"..glad you guys are thrilled. Whoopie.. top fives in the b league, there isn't a reset 74 points behind, and sorry but swerving Sammy is another who manages to shoot himself in the foot driving good equipment, don't get me started on bonehead Sadler either. they are right where they need to be in the B league. That's where Vickers needs to stay IMO.
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Just wonderin' . . . if you're in Mikey's shoes, who besides Vickers do you put in the 55 car next year ?
 
StandOnIt said:
they both won races..he doesn't. all these "if onlys"..glad you guys are thrilled. Whoopie.. top fives in the b league, there isn't a reset 74 points behind, and sorry but swerving Sammy is another who manages to shoot himself in the foot driving good equipment, don't get me started on bonehead Sadler either. they are right where they need to be in the B league. That's where Vickers needs to stay IMO.
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While you can't take back his finishes and his points position you also can't use that as a bench mark for how he has been running. He has been the top 3 strongest NW regulars all year. Only Smith and Hornish have run better. Also you mentioned sarcastically that we were saying he was going to make the chase in 2014. I don't think anyone here said for sure he would. I believe we have all said that he could compete for the chase. Which his past runs in the 55 prove he could.
 
pjmolo said:
Just wonderin' . . . if you're in Mikey's shoes, who besides Vickers do you put in the 55 car next year ?
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yeah, I hear that, easy to bitch but that is the big dilemma. Mark is not going to do it, sounds like the sponsor is going along with it. Put him in the aarons/napa clown suit and have at it. He is the right age for the renting furniture and buying car parts demographic..who cares if he can't make the top freakin ten, he can make the highlight reel. I like the guy, I should care less..he drives a Toyota, but I would jerk up a new comer, you have two experienced guys already.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah, I hear that, easy to bitch but that is the big dilemma. Mark is not going to do it, sounds like the sponsor is going along with it. Put him in the aarons/napa clown suit and have at it. He is the right age for the renting furniture and buying car parts demographic..who cares if he can't make the top freakin ten, he can make the highlight reel. I like the guy, I should care less..he drives a Toyota, but I would jerk up a new comer, you have two experienced guys already.
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Anyone know what Newman is doing next year ?
 
I forgot another thing that might be the most important. Mikey has a partner that owns 50%, bailed him out when he was going down the tubes. He probably is the business brains behind MWR, going with a conservative pick, gets three experienced guys, all good finishers and all have good reputations and good dudes. Boyer is almost a sure bet to get into the chase, Truex is looking pretty good, Vickers..who knows but you can almost bet a top 15 next year or better.
 
I'm okay with Vickers , I think he has something to prove . I like his age and his experience level , compared to what else is available . If I had one reservation , I might have waited a couple more months to see what free agents come calling . But I think Vickers is a great fit.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah, I hear that, easy to bitch but that is the big dilemma. Mark is not going to do it, sounds like the sponsor is going along with it. Put him in the aarons/napa clown suit and have at it. He is the right age for the renting furniture and buying car parts demographic..who cares if he can't make the top freakin ten, he can make the highlight reel. I like the guy, I should care less..he drives a Toyota, but I would jerk up a new comer, you have two experienced guys already.
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What newcomer though? How can you say he can't make the top 10? Out of his 8 races last year he had 5 top 10s and 3 of those 5 were top 5s. Out of the 6 races so far this year he has 2 top tens, plus an 11th and 13th. I think he is a great choice for the 55.
 
ted@economy said:
I'm okay with Vickers , I think he has something to prove . I like his age and his experience level , compared to what else is available . If I had one reservation , I might have waited a couple more months to see what free agents come calling . But I think Vickers is a great fit.
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I would put Vickers over all the other FAs available except for maybe JPM. I would chose Vickers over Newman and Jaime Mac. Do I think he is better than those guys? Maybe not better, but I don't think he is worse, plus he already has a rapport with the 55.
 
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MWR & Aaron's will have a "major media announcement" on Tuesday. Email included a photo of Vickers in Aaron's uniform so not hard to guess.
 
I think Vickers knows this is probably his last dance in cup.Will be interesting to see what he does with the MWR opportunity. It did wonders for Boyer. Truex? not so much.
 
StandOnIt said:
I think Vickers knows this is probably his last dance in cup.Will be interesting to see what he does with the MWR opportunity. It did wonders for Boyer. Truex? not so much.
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You're not talking about the Truex in 10th in points then? The one that has a win, 5 top5's and 9 top 10's then, right? ;)

I think that Vickers will do just fine.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
You're not talking about the Truex in 10th in points then? The one that has a win, 5 top5's and 9 top 10's then, right? ;)

I think that Vickers will do just fine.
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Matter of fact I am. Truex 2 wins in 10 years Truex, average finish 18th Truex, wheel holder extraordinaire. Has never finished in the top ten his whole career. Vickers is worse. He hasn't had as many full seasons, but it is his time to start dancing, doesn't take much to out do Truex, the rest, he has a ways to go
 
I started to pay attention to Vickers when he came back from his medical leave and wreaked just about everyone. At that time I thought he didn't belong in a car. I recall an interview where he acknowledged his wreaking a lot of drivers and said he wanted to focus on earning the respect of his fellow drivers. I think he has done that. And I wish him well if he gets the 55, MWR is one of the more competitive teams these days.
 
StandOnIt said:
I think Vickers knows this is probably his last dance in cup.Will be interesting to see what he does with the MWR opportunity. It did wonders for Boyer. Truex? not so much.
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Thinkin the same thing myself .If he doesn't make the chase next year , would the year be considered a failure ? Hmmm.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Are you being sarcastic?.....lol
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oh Man Sadler, just be lucky you have a job in N'wide, your doing the best you have ever done, top five every since you went full time N'wide.
ted@economy said:
Thinkin the same thing myself .If he doesn't make the chase next year , would the year be considered a failure ? Hmmm.
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Sorry, but I don't see how his being there is going to help toyota's chances or MWR. He has a long mid pack history, and is getting beat in N'wide by a second year driver and Smith who never drove anything but junk in cup. Unless he somehow catches on fire, I see a top 15 next year at best.
 
It would be a good poll question though . Will he make the chase ?I'm thinkin most folks here would say yes , I would say no.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I started to pay attention to Vickers when he came back from his medical leave and wreaked just about everyone. At that time I thought he didn't belong in a car. I recall an interview where he acknowledged his wreaking a lot of drivers and said he wanted to focus on earning the respect of his fellow drivers. I think he has done that. And I wish him well if he gets the 55, MWR is one of the more competitive teams these days.
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I think laid back guys like Reagan Smith and Vickers learned they need to be more aggressive and stop worrying about other drivers liking them. They like you because they can beat you. None of those guys shed many tears when nice guys like them or Speed, Reagan, Reuttiman and Sadler lost their cup rides.
 
ted@economy said:
It would be a good poll question though . Will he make the chase ?I'm thinkin most folks here would say yes , I would say no.
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Yep a lot use emotion to make their predictions, in Vickers case, if his past history is worth anything, he will have to have a super year to make the chase. he did squeak in one year finished 12th. The 9 races this year in cup..average finish is almost 19th and that is counting his win. 3 crashes, 5 of the 9 he finished on the lead lap. that was in either Gibbs or MWR stuff too.
 
StandOnIt said:
Matter of fact I am. Truex 2 wins in 10 years Truex, average finish 18th Truex, wheel holder extraordinaire. Has never finished in the top ten his whole career. Vickers is worse. He hasn't had as many full seasons, but it is his time to start dancing, doesn't take much to out do Truex, the rest, he has a ways to go
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He's better off with MWR than he was with DEI/EGR.
 
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