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........................W.T5.T10.Avg Finish
Ward Burton.....5.24..85....21.7
Michael Waltrip.4.38.122..21.0

These stats are similar except Ward has less than half the starts and half the years in the sport and he has been sitting at home waiting for a ride.
If you were an owner who would you choose?
 
barelypure said:
........................W.T5.T10.Avg Finish
Ward Burton.....5.24..85....21.7
Michael Waltrip.4.38.122..21.0

These stats are similar except Ward has less than half the starts and half the years in the sport and he has been sitting at home waiting for a ride.
If you were an owner who would you choose?
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Mikey for obvious reasons, he is what sponsors want. Ward isn't in Cup for a reason that being he isn't what sponsors want or he wasn't good at negotiating a new ride.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Mikey for obvious reasons, he is what sponsors want. Ward isn't in Cup for a reason that being he isn't what sponsors want or he wasn't good at negotiating a new ride.
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WOW!!!


Now I understand, we no longer should care about racing and the results on the track, we should be crowning success by how big a sponsor shill they are.

Why don't we just skip the unneccessary BS then, do away with the racing altogether (sure seems like that's the way it's headed anyway.) Just get professional actors to dress up like race car drivers and do adds.??
 
This Buds For Me said:
did Wachovia, sun trust, or First Union officals go public until the deal was done? no they didnt. sorry i got my agencies wrong.....but they still have to be approved by the federal govt.
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So.....your point is......what ????? Apparently something is missing in the explanation by This Buds For Me with the statement " he publicaly asked Napa to leave DEI and follow him....".

If Michael asked NAPA to leave DEI, are we to assume NAPA broke a contract with DEI to do so ??? Was there a contract in place with DEI at the time Michael said this ??? Or was the contract nearing the end and negotiations just beginning ???

It must be made clearer as to conditions between all three parties at the time of Michael's egregious act as at this point there is insufficient supporting information to back up why Michael's act was immoral.

Please provide answers to the above questions and any additional information to support your position for the defamation of Waltrip. :)
 
Michael Waltrip: “There is one thing I would like to point out. As we are building out Michael Waltrip Racing, Toyota is our manufacturer. Our sponsorship dollars are coming from NAPA, Burger King, Domino’s, and Aaron’s. We pay our driver’s with our sponsorship dollars. This is not a Toyota team. This is a Domino’s/Burger King car that is a Toyota and a NAPA car that is a Toyota as well. I have been preaching that Toyota did not hire Dale Jarrett and Toyota is not responsible for the moves I have been making in the garage area. ""This is my team with partners like Dave Brandon & Denny Post and NAPA""and this is why things are working at Michael Waltrip Racing. If we put out a third team, the car will not say Toyota on the side of it, it will be sponsored by another corporation.”

full story..http://www.race2win.net/wc/06/06/mwrdksst.html

So Napa is a partner not just a sponsor???
 
Whizzer said:
So.....your point is......what ????? Apparently something is missing in the explanation by This Buds For Me with the statement " he publicaly asked Napa to leave DEI and follow him....".

If Michael asked NAPA to leave DEI, are we to assume NAPA broke a contract with DEI to do so ??? Was there a contract in place with DEI at the time Michael said this ??? Or was the contract nearing the end and negotiations just beginning ???

It must be made clearer as to conditions between all three parties at the time of Michael's egregious act as at this point there is insufficient supporting information to back up why Michael's act was immoral.

Please provide answers to the above questions and any additional information to support your position for the defamation of Waltrip. :)
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i dont have to back up crap...this is not a political discussion or a debate course.

an immoral act or an unprofessional act is based off of opinion...in my opinion i think its highly immoral and unprofessional in the business world.


i deal with contracts and proposals on a daily basis, if i did this to one of my clients...my ass would be fired….not sure how your business works, but acts like MW’s can effect the outcome of business dealings.


if you dont like my opinion..i respect that….i respect your opinion…just do not tell me mine is wrong….i will not tell you yours is wrong.
 
What's wrong with this picture? 5 pages of posts about MW. Does anybody really care about him? And to argue about him? And why am I getting involved? :confused:
 
bumpzter said:
What's wrong with this picture? 5 pages of posts about MW. Does anybody really care about him? And to argue about him? And why am I getting involved? :confused:
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bumpzter said:
What's wrong with this picture? 5 pages of posts about MW. Does anybody really care about him? And to argue about him? And why am I getting involved? :confused:
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It is always fun when you can stir the pot......hehehe :growl:
 
Eagle1 said:
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btw....whats happened to the roof hatch? no one seems to use them...or does Mikey still use it?

i would think most drivers would want them in their cars.
 
This Buds For Me said:
an immoral act or an unprofessional act is based off of opinion...in my opinion i think its highly immoral and unprofessional in the business world.
if you dont like my opinion..i respect that….i respect your opinion…just do not tell me mine is wrong….i will not tell you yours is wrong.
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Okay, here are my opinions.

My opinion is........ DEI had thier head up thier butt while Michael took the bacon.

My opinion is........ NAPA saw the opportunity to get more for thier money with Michael than with DEI.

My opinion is......... DEI dropped the ball thinking because they were "Dale Earnhardt, Inc.", NAPA would genuflect and make sucking sounds to do business with them.

My opinion is......... Michael made something happen in a professional and ethical manner, and it worked.

My opinion is...... Michael will be successful as a team owner.

My opinion is...... the only people who think Michael did something immoral are those with limited information or involvement from start to finish where and when deals are made in the business world.

My opinion is....... the others who might think Michael did something immoral are upset because DEI got out flanked, out smarted and out witted. By Michael Waltrip.

In real life, people who get what they want, do so by making things happen.
Michael made something happen and, as they say, the rest is history.

Sorry about the over load of opinions. No, I have nothing to back them up so don't ask. I was just rambling.
 
bumpzter said:
What's wrong with this picture? 5 pages of posts about MW. Does anybody really care about him? And to argue about him? And why am I getting involved? :confused:
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Why are you getting involved ??? Maybe because you can't stay away ????

Does anyone care about Michael ???
NAHHHH!!!!!!! I think the guy is a putz but just because I think he is a putz, doesn't mean I shouldn't offer a rebuttal to malicious and unfounded opinion.

An argument ??? Come on Buck !!!!! You would pee on a leaf if you thought it might offer discourse. Especially if it were a leftist or liberal leaf !!! :)

Five pages on Michael Waltrip is like a life time !!!! WHEW !!!!!!! :)
 
Whizzer said:
An argument ??? Come on Buck !!!!! You would pee on a leaf if you thought it might offer discourse. Especially if it were a leftist or liberal leaf !!! :)
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Of course you are right about that. But would you please excuse me? I have to go pee. :beerbang:
 
I don't think anyone can argue that MW isn't sponsor friendly. It could be NAPA saw that Lil'E didn't like to do sponsor events, no drinking Bud at his house with his posse doesn't count, and they had to wonder if they remained with DEI what they would receive for their money. But, a new team and a new mfg. NAPA knew they would be front page news for a long time.
 
barelypure said:
I don't think anyone can argue that MW isn't sponsor friendly. It could be NAPA saw that Lil'E didn't like to do sponsor events, no drinking Bud at his house with his posse doesn't count, and they had to wonder if they remained with DEI what they would receive for their money. But, a new team and a new mfg. NAPA knew they would be front page news for a long time.
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isnt jr the most popular driver? Bud is getting what they pay for.
 
Are they? He may be popular but just think what Bud would realize if Lil'E did the rounds like some of the other drivers.
 
I'm not a big Michael Waltrip fan but I have to admit (my opinion) is that he is very sponsor friendly and his name is synonomous with NAPA and Aarons and will soon be with Toyota and his new sponsors. Those sponsors support him in exchange for Mikey "supporting" them.

As far as any breach of contract or "bad business", I would tend to think his contract with DEI likely didn't have a clause about his sponsorship with NAPA but rather what HE would do "for" NAPA in exchange for them sponsoring him and DEI. I would bet in a heartbeat that if Dale Jr leaves DEI that Budwesier would leave with him. Is that morally wrong? I don't think so. Is it legally wrong? Only if their contracts stipulate so and I've not seen the contract.

Talking about success for team owners as driver...how many championships or even races have Rick Hendrick, Jack Roush, Richard Childress, Chip Ganassi or even Joe Gibbs won as a DRIVER? It's about planning, execution and the $$$.
 
kjjz28 said:
I'm not a big Michael Waltrip fan but I have to admit (my opinion) is that he is very sponsor friendly and his name is synonomous with NAPA and Aarons and will soon be with Toyota and his new sponsors. Those sponsors support him in exchange for Mikey "supporting" them.

As far as any breach of contract or "bad business", I would tend to think his contract with DEI likely didn't have a clause about his sponsorship with NAPA but rather what HE would do "for" NAPA in exchange for them sponsoring him and DEI. I would bet in a heartbeat that if Dale Jr leaves DEI that Budwesier would leave with him. Is that morally wrong? I don't think so. Is it legally wrong? Only if their contracts stipulate so and I've not seen the contract.

Talking about success for team owners as driver...how many championships or even races have Rick Hendrick, Jack Roush, Richard Childress, Chip Ganassi or even Joe Gibbs won as a DRIVER? It's about planning, execution and the $$$.
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You were doing good all the way to Chip Ganassi, you should've stopped before him. He was a driver, a very successful driver. :) Richard Childress was a driver, but not a very successful one.
 
Eagle1 said:
You were doing good all the way to Chip Ganassi, you should've stopped before him. He was a driver, a very successful driver. :) Richard Childress was a driver, but not a very successful one.
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Hmmm no where could i find how very successful Chip was as a driver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Ganassi

All of the drivers that became owners above did not do that well in their racing careers, perhaps it more of an incentive as an owner to do well if you haven't won big as a driver. :)
 
Ganassi was a Indy car driver who retired in 1986 with nine top-10 finishes in just 28 Indy Car appearances.
 
Eagle 1...what is your definition of a successful driver? I'm not aware of any wins or championships that Chip Ganassi had as a driver. From his own website it quotes: Following a strong career as a driver, Chip Ganassi created his own one-car IndyCar™ team in 1990 and established a partnership with a new sponsor, Target Stores. Maybe he's modest and doesn't want to display his "success" on the website but I'm not aware of any wins. I believe his best finish at Indy was 8th.

Nonetheless...great team owner, very successful and promotes his sponsors and drivers very well. Glad to see JPM coming back to the states to drive for him...another great personality for racing. Give him some time in Cup and I think he'll do well. :)
 
barelypure said:
Ganassi was a Indy car driver who retired in 1986 with nine top-10 finishes in just 28 Indy Car appearances.
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Big deal...did he win anything as a driver...no! At least Mikey won a few races. Doesn't matter how long it took either, the fact is he won at the highest level in his sport. Ganassi has proved with out a doubt that he has become a much more successful owner than he was a driver. I think Mikey will do the same.
 
kjjz28 said:
Eagle 1...what is your definition of a successful driver? I'm not aware of any wins or championships that Chip Ganassi had as a driver. From his own website it quotes: Following a strong career as a driver, Chip Ganassi created his own one-car IndyCar™ team in 1990 and established a partnership with a new sponsor, Target Stores. Maybe he's modest and doesn't want to display his "success" on the website but I'm not aware of any wins. I believe his best finish at Indy was 8th.

Nonetheless...great team owner, very successful and promotes his sponsors and drivers very well. Glad to see JPM coming back to the states to drive for him...another great personality for racing. Give him some time in Cup and I think he'll do well. :)
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Ok, I apologize, I didn't take the time to look up his stats, but to be honest I thought he had a bunch of wins in open wheel. :eek:
 
Talking about success for team owners as driver...how many championships or even races have Rick Hendrick, Jack Roush, Richard Childress, Chip Ganassi or even Joe Gibbs won as a DRIVER? It's about planning, execution and the $$$.


hey I'd like someone to show me how many races joe gibbs raced.
 
Gibbs never raced that i know of, he was a football coach first, then a Nascar team owner second. Now he is both.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Gibbs never raced that i know of, he was a football coach first, then a Nascar team owner second. Now he is both.
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Actually, Joe was involved in another racing sport before he entered the NASCAR scene. Before NASCAR, he was involved in NHRA. As far as I know, he still could be involved in drag racing, but I don't know that for sure.
 
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Are they? He may be popular but just think what Bud would realize if Lil'E did the rounds like some of the other drivers.
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yes they get what they are paying for....they get a percentage of his souvier sales.....that alone they make a ton of money.
 
buckaroo said:
Actually, Joe was involved in another racing sport before he entered the NASCAR scene. Before NASCAR, he was involved in NHRA. As far as I know, he still could be involved in drag racing, but I don't know that for sure.
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he has 2 cars in the sportsman categories last I checked (per my dad)
 
Magnethead said:
he has 2 cars in the sportsman categories last I checked (per my dad)
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yea i thought he still had his NHRA teams...i think they are based out of huntersville along with his cup and busch teams.
 
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