Ward Burton to the 30 AOL Chevy?

Originally posted by Luv4Dale8@Sep 1 2003, 05:21 AM
huh, good question. Maybe, Martin
Well yeah but I meant for the fans.
O sorry about the misunderstanding Luv4dale8, and wow was it cheaper or what! You could get a ticket for about pocket change and the races were rarely stuffed like they were today. Its a shame tho, the racing today is so much more boring than it was when the fans really weren't into it as they are today.
 
You gotta think both ways, would the "old" drivers in the "old" days survive today? Doubtful in my mind, but like you said we dont know how they would adapt in a diffrent driving era.
 
I think the Jamie McMurray winning at Charlotte in 2002 really re-fired the whole deal between who wins the race, the guys in the shop? or the guy doing the driving?

Now we see Ryan Newman and some other guys, not to take anything away from Newman, he's a great driver but he's won 3 of this year's races he won on fuel Mileage. We see fuel mileage deciding the difference between win or loss, and that's not racing that's playing chess in the dark or so to speak. Yeah, if NASCAR can somehow find a way to forget all the downforce and aero stuff some teams really have an unfair advantage on, then we'd see the same old competitive style NASCAR we saw years ago. Hell, we arent even having a points championship race this year.
 
Originally posted by Awesome_Bill+Sep 1 2003, 12:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Awesome_Bill @ Sep 1 2003, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Luv4Dale8@Sep 1 2003, 05:21 AM
huh, good question. Maybe, Martin
Well yeah but I meant for the fans.
O sorry about the misunderstanding Luv4dale8, and wow was it cheaper or what! You could get a ticket for about pocket change and the races were rarely stuffed like they were today. Its a shame tho, the racing today is so much more boring than it was when the fans really weren't into it as they are today. [/b][/quote]
Im just wonering, do you mean todays racing is much more boring then it was in the old days? Sorry if Im wrong, thats what it sounds like.
 
If you'd chop about 300 points from Kenseth's lead, it would be pretty close. Nothing like the Truck series though, new point leader each race for them! ^_^
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8@Sep 1 2003, 05:31 AM
You gotta think both ways, would the "old" drivers in the "old" days survive today? Doubtful in my mind, but like you said we dont know how they would adapt in a diffrent driving era.
Well IF they had stuck with it until this day, they would also adapt to it just like the guys from the late 70's have done. Bill, Terry, Mark, Dale Jarrett, Dale Earnhardt sr., they all were there for the changes and had the ability to adapt to it. As the cars and Sport changed, they changed with it. They could do it because it wouldnt have gone on without them, and it wasn't something new just to them when it came, it was new to everyone. Now The same goes for the real greats, Richard, David, Cale, etc. could have done the same as those have done ahead of them, its just a matter of being there for the changes.
 
Do you think points system should be the same for all nascar races?
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8+Sep 1 2003, 05:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Luv4Dale8 @ Sep 1 2003, 05:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Awesome_Bill@Sep 1 2003, 12:30 AM
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@Sep 1 2003, 05:21 AM
huh, good question. Maybe, Martin
Well yeah but I meant for the fans.

O sorry about the misunderstanding Luv4dale8, and wow was it cheaper or what! You could get a ticket for about pocket change and the races were rarely stuffed like they were today. Its a shame tho, the racing today is so much more boring than it was when the fans really weren't into it as they are today.
Im just wonering, do you mean todays racing is much more boring then it was in the old days? Sorry if Im wrong, thats what it sounds like. [/b][/quote]
Thats exactly what I mean Luv4dale. The only really exciting race I've seen in recent years was at Darlinton, like Slick Nick mentioned, between Busch and Craven. Now that was the beating and banging and real racing that I can remember. Today that stuff just doesnt happen anymore....
 
Originally posted by Awesome_Bill+Sep 1 2003, 12:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Awesome_Bill @ Sep 1 2003, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Luv4Dale8@Sep 1 2003, 05:31 AM
You gotta think both ways, would the "old" drivers in the "old" days survive today? Doubtful in my mind, but like you said we dont know how they would adapt in a diffrent driving era.
Well IF they had stuck with it until this day, they would also adapt to it just like the guys from the late 70's have done. Bill, Terry, Mark, Dale Jarrett, Dale Earnhardt sr., they all were there for the changes and had the ability to adapt to it. As the cars and Sport changed, they changed with it. They could do it because it wouldnt have gone on without them, and it wasn't something new just to them when it came, it was new to everyone. Now The same goes for the real greats, Richard, David, Cale, etc. could have done the same as those have done ahead of them, its just a matter of being there for the changes. [/b][/quote]
But do you think people from the 50's could do it?
 
Funny how Kenseth has a 380 something point lead over Earnhardt and lots of America is talking about it while in IRL theyre having a 4 way points battle and no one even gives a hoot.
 
I dont think it's boring one bit.... martinsville was kinda boring, but other then that I think it's not boring one bit.
 
Originally posted by Happy29@Sep 1 2003, 12:37 AM
Funny how Kenseth has a 380 something point lead over Earnhardt and lots of America is talking about it while in IRL theyre having a 4 way points battle and no one even gives a hoot.
What is IRL? Im not really familiar.
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8+Sep 1 2003, 05:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Luv4Dale8 @ Sep 1 2003, 05:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Awesome_Bill@Sep 1 2003, 12:35 AM
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@Sep 1 2003, 05:31 AM
You gotta think both ways, would the "old" drivers in the "old" days survive today? Doubtful in my mind, but like you said we dont know how they would adapt in a diffrent driving era.

Well IF they had stuck with it until this day, they would also adapt to it just like the guys from the late 70's have done. Bill, Terry, Mark, Dale Jarrett, Dale Earnhardt sr., they all were there for the changes and had the ability to adapt to it. As the cars and Sport changed, they changed with it. They could do it because it wouldnt have gone on without them, and it wasn't something new just to them when it came, it was new to everyone. Now The same goes for the real greats, Richard, David, Cale, etc. could have done the same as those have done ahead of them, its just a matter of being there for the changes.
But do you think people from the 50's could do it? [/b][/quote]
Well If the drivers from the 50's were to just jump in a car today, there would be no way the could do it. Those cars were soooo much different from the cars today, hell they WERE actually "Stock". There have been simply way to many changes from era to era to era that they just couldnt do it. If they had been in the sport from the 50's to today, and if age wasnt a factor, they could compete with the best of em.
 
Originally posted by Awesome_Bill@Sep 1 2003, 12:37 AM
Thats exactly what I mean Luv4dale. The only really exciting race I've seen in recent years was at Darlinton, like Slick Nick mentioned, between Busch and Craven. Now that was the beating and banging and real racing that I can remember. Today that stuff just doesnt happen anymore....
It is very rare, thats why Bristol is so popular among the fans. Its the only way to see good beatin' and bangin' racing! Another thing that brought NASCAR to stardom was seeing all the 'emotion' from races in the past. The good ol Allisons and Cale fight that one year really brought it on with America. Nowadays, if a driver shows emotion, they get suspended, fined, whatever the punishment may be.
 
Your right, but look where changes have gotten nascar. Do you think if change hadnt of happened theyd be this popular today?
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8@Sep 1 2003, 05:38 AM
I dont think it's boring one bit.... martinsville was kinda boring, but other then that I think it's not boring one bit.
So Fuel milage races are exciting? Races where there is no real racing is exciting? Heck now a days drivers are letting people pass them without even racing them, that was unheard of 20 years ago. You had to race your ass off for every single spot back then, today you only have to do it if you're "battling" for the win, although that is also rare today.
 
Originally posted by Awesome_Bill@Sep 1 2003, 12:44 AM
So Fuel milage races are exciting? Races where there is no real racing is exciting? Heck now a days drivers are letting people pass them without even racing them, that was unheard of 20 years ago. You had to race your ass off for every single spot back then, today you only have to do it if you're "battling" for the win, although that is also rare today.
Couldn't of said it better myself, Awesome_Bill.
Your a fan who knows what racing is all about, and I respect that.
 
Originally posted by Awesome_Bill+Sep 1 2003, 12:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Awesome_Bill @ Sep 1 2003, 12:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Luv4Dale8@Sep 1 2003, 05:38 AM
I dont think it's boring one bit.... martinsville was kinda boring, but other then that I think it's not boring one bit.
So Fuel milage races are exciting? Races where there is no real racing is exciting? Heck now a days drivers are letting people pass them without even racing them, that was unheard of 20 years ago. You had to race your ass off for every single spot back then, today you only have to do it if you're "battling" for the win, although that is also rare today. [/b][/quote]
Maybe they let them pass not to cause wrecks. These cars are so dangerous a little accident could easily kill you. But then again with the little protection they had in the early years of racing was also dangerous. And yes I think it's intersting, Im just wondering why you watch it if it's not as exciting.
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8@Sep 1 2003, 05:43 AM
Your right, but look where changes have gotten nascar. Do you think if change hadnt of happened theyd be this popular today?
OF course it wouldnt be nearly as popular without the changes. If drivers were still racing on the beaches of Daytona it would be like a good ol dirt race on a saturday night. Now as we know, that kind of racing just doesn't appeal to the fans as the cars of today do. Of course, Nascar did one hell of a job of marketing this sport to the fans, and they got what they expected.
 
Id say so, its amazing what bumping and smashing people will earn you.
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8+Sep 1 2003, 05:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Luv4Dale8 @ Sep 1 2003, 05:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Awesome_Bill@Sep 1 2003, 12:44 AM
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@Sep 1 2003, 05:38 AM
I dont think it's boring one bit.... martinsville was kinda boring, but other then that I think it's not boring one bit.

So Fuel milage races are exciting? Races where there is no real racing is exciting? Heck now a days drivers are letting people pass them without even racing them, that was unheard of 20 years ago. You had to race your ass off for every single spot back then, today you only have to do it if you're "battling" for the win, although that is also rare today.
Maybe they let them pass not to cause wrecks. These cars are so dangerous a little accident could easily kill you. But then again with the little protection they had in the early years of racing was also dangerous. And yes I think it's intersting, Im just wondering why you watch it if it's not as exciting. [/b][/quote]
I watch it because I am an addicted fan of Nascar, and because I yearn to see that fluke of a "race" where racing is actually involved. I would kick myself If I were to miss a race like Darlington with Busch and Craven. But I do admit that when Nascar goes to far, that will be the day I stop watching what the call "racing" . Heck, I'll just go down to my local short track and reminisce of days long ago....
 
Good point, Bill.

I'm out to bed for the night.. you take 'er easy. We'll reminisce more tomorrow of the good old days.
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8@Sep 1 2003, 05:53 AM
What do you mean go to far, with changes?
Exactly. When the day comes that they just go to far, I'll have to stop watching. The sad part is, that day is not very far away. If they dont stop advancing these cars in the next 5 years, the term racing will only be a label, it won't actually be going on.
 
Originally posted by slick-nick@Sep 1 2003, 05:54 AM
Good point, Bill.

I'm out to bed for the night.. you take 'er easy. We'll reminisce more tomorrow of the good old days.
Have a good nite nick. I'll be looking for ya on here tommorow, and looking forward to it.
 
Originally posted by Awesome_Bill+Sep 1 2003, 12:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Awesome_Bill @ Sep 1 2003, 12:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Luv4Dale8@Sep 1 2003, 05:53 AM
What do you mean go to far, with changes?
Exactly. When the day comes that they just go to far, I'll have to stop watching. The sad part is, that day is not very far away. If they dont stop advancing these cars in the next 5 years, the term racing will only be a label, it won't actually be going on. [/b][/quote]
Great point there. But everything has to change (unfourtnly). But it seems all the changes that are being made most fans hate nascar for it.
 
Originally posted by Awesome_Bill+Sep 1 2003, 12:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Awesome_Bill @ Sep 1 2003, 12:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--slick-nick@Sep 1 2003, 05:54 AM
Good point, Bill.&nbsp;

I'm out to bed for the night.. you take 'er easy.&nbsp; We'll reminisce more tomorrow of the good old days.
Have a good nite nick. I'll be looking for ya on here tommorow, and looking forward to it. [/b][/quote]
I get off work at 930, so I should be on here around 10 tomorrow night.
Have a good one bro!
 
Originally posted by slick-nick+Sep 1 2003, 06:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slick-nick @ Sep 1 2003, 06:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Awesome_Bill@Sep 1 2003, 12:58 AM
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@Sep 1 2003, 05:54 AM
Good point, Bill.&nbsp;

I'm out to bed for the night.. you take 'er easy.&nbsp; We'll reminisce more tomorrow of the good old days.

Have a good nite nick. I'll be looking for ya on here tommorow, and looking forward to it.
I get off work at 930, so I should be on here around 10 tomorrow night.
Have a good one bro! [/b][/quote]
Alrite man, I'll be here...Talk to ya then, should be one hell of a time!
 
Never knew a conversation bout a driver change could go this far, night you guys !
 
Originally posted by Happy29@Sep 1 2003, 01:15 AM
Never knew a conversation bout a driver change could go this far, night you guys !
Anthing can happen. Im off too...tired .
 
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