I have learned so very much today. Now, I need a Twinkie.
KevinWI
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Now you need a twink? Wrong slang!
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Sidewayz
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Looks like the sponsors for the 29 & blue deuce phoned in a favor....
A pro-marijuana ad that was to run on the jumbotron at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway during this weekend's NASCAR event has been abruptly pulled after anti-drug groups complained. Maybe NASCAR and marijuana don’t mix, after all.
Under pressure from anti-drug groups, the company that owns the Jumbotron at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway has pulled a pro-marijuana ad from this weekend’s Brickyard 400 NASCAR race.
The ad, which extols marijuana as being "less harmful than alcohol," was produced by the Marijuana Policy Project and had been scheduled to air dozens of times from Friday through Sunday on the Jumbotron.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...brickyard-400-article-1.1410215#ixzz2aClasxMB
A pro-marijuana ad that was to run on the jumbotron at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway during this weekend's NASCAR event has been abruptly pulled after anti-drug groups complained. Maybe NASCAR and marijuana don’t mix, after all.
Under pressure from anti-drug groups, the company that owns the Jumbotron at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway has pulled a pro-marijuana ad from this weekend’s Brickyard 400 NASCAR race.
The ad, which extols marijuana as being "less harmful than alcohol," was produced by the Marijuana Policy Project and had been scheduled to air dozens of times from Friday through Sunday on the Jumbotron.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...brickyard-400-article-1.1410215#ixzz2aClasxMB
breatheoflife
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Possession is legal in California, even though it's against Federal law. All you need is a "medical" card. In less than a mile on Ventura Blvd. in Woodland Hills, there are 7 pot dispensaries.
Local LEOs will not take your stash if you have your "medical" card on you. It's a big money making scam. Doctor's charge you $100 to diagnose you with a BS condition so that you can get a card to buy dope from his cousin who just so happens to owns a dispensary.
Local LEOs will not take your stash if you have your "medical" card on you. It's a big money making scam. Doctor's charge you $100 to diagnose you with a BS condition so that you can get a card to buy dope from his cousin who just so happens to owns a dispensary.
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Sidewayz
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I'm in Cali as well and find pretty nice be able to walk into a shop and choose from dozens of NorCal strains or edibles if your girl doesn't like smoke... Much better than buying from some random guy on the corner slingin' brown. More importantly, those suffering from real illness have easy access to medicines which helps ease their suffering
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They give you a form to fill out and you literally put a checkmark next to your 'ailment' and for $45 to $60 you're legit and legal for 365 days. Of course you just registered yourself as a pothead with the gov't but hey, atleast the policy enforcers are off your ass when your Stoney ass gets pulled over for a broken light bulb or rolling a stop sign.. If it saves 1/8th of an ounce from being squashed to bits on the sidewalk, it's worth it, right??
Personally, been there, done that, I'm not terminally ill so I'm done exploiting the law as it sits now. Even if it is a crock of **** to begin with.
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Treadless
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I was at the indy 500 back in 1981. Pot at the race will be nothing new. There are people partying and playing frisbee at the infield that probably never see a race car all weekend.
KevinWI
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That explains why everybody drives like that in California.
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"California rolls" happen all over the country. I've seen it. I don't know why we get the credit. Haha
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Well that's just sad.
KevinWI
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I got a ticket once when I was 17 for blowing a stop sign and now (much to the chagrin of the people behind me) I come to a full stop at every stop sign (judged by waiting for the weight of my truck to shift backwards). No more California Stops for me. California Rolls at the sushi place however are delicious.
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Actually in my state Pot is legal
Legal pot makes kids lazy dip****s. They'd rather sit and play their Xbox for 12 hours than do something constructive/productive.
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That's a naive generalization. There's lazy kids that never touch the stuff that literally drop out of high school and DO NOTHING. There are also stoners that bust their ass for everything they have. I've seen it. Of course a lot of people have to fail the kid for that first scenario to play out.
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I don't see a problem with this thread...no personal attacks or foolishness...only many opinions and a few confessions
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You not seeing a problem talking about and condoning the use of illegal dope on a nascar thread is actually funny.I don't see a problem with this thread...no personal attacks or foolishness...only many opinions and a few confessions
StandOnIt
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In your opinion, anybody that disagrees with YOUR opinion needs to be in the podium micro mod.
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Johali, it's marijuana not heroin.
With that said, yeah I feel like this discussion probably belongs in the podium. It's not really about racing anymore.
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Nope, and I don't do pissing contests, go fishing elsewhere.
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That was my point.
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Sidewayz
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Why are people trippin'? This is America and you are free to make your own choices.. If you don't like booze are drugs you can choose not to use them.
I'll rephrase it for you then. Most kids that smoke pot are lazy dip****s.
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I'll rephrase it for you then. Most kids that smoke pot are lazy dip****s.
I guess that'd be an educated generalization. lol
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SuperTex14
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It happens at every race, every weekend. Don't ask me how I know.
Many more 'legal' drug users will be a danger to and cause problems for their fellow racing fans this weekend through irresponsible drinking, and be arrested as a result.
The ridiculous perpetuation of the stigma surrounding responsible marijuana use by parties mentioned previously is the only reason it's use remains illegal, and most likely why the ads were cancelled.
fwiw, my profession requires infrequent random testing for legal and illegal substances, so I do not smoke myself. That said, I have enough common sense to see for myself how much safer it is than alcohol.
Many more 'legal' drug users will be a danger to and cause problems for their fellow racing fans this weekend through irresponsible drinking, and be arrested as a result.
The ridiculous perpetuation of the stigma surrounding responsible marijuana use by parties mentioned previously is the only reason it's use remains illegal, and most likely why the ads were cancelled.
fwiw, my profession requires infrequent random testing for legal and illegal substances, so I do not smoke myself. That said, I have enough common sense to see for myself how much safer it is than alcohol.
mike honcho
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From here: http://www.drugabuse.gov/about-nida...ctor/2013/03/marijuanas-lasting-effects-brain
Marijuana's Lasting Effects on the Brain
March 2013
UPDATE - March 21,2013 – A study was published in January 2013 contesting the interpretation of the large-scale marijuana study I discuss below—that heavy cannabis use begun in the teen years and continued into adulthood brings about declines in IQ scores. The contesting author used simulation models to suggest that other factors, such as socioeconomic status, may account for the downward IQ trend the original authors reported. In a rebuttal letter published in the March 4, 2013 issue of PNAS, the authors of the first study note that SES could not account for the findings they observed, because adolescent cannabis use was not more prevalent in populations with lower SES. (The complete PNAS letter can be read here; an extract can be read here.)
Observational studies in humans cannot account for all potentially confounding variables when addressing change in a complex trait like IQ, and future studies will be needed to further clarify exactly how much intelligence may be lost as a result of adolescent marijuana use. That such a loss does occur, however, is consistent with what we know from animal studies. Though limited in their application to the complex human brain, such studies can more definitively assess the relationship between drug exposure and various outcomes. They have shown that exposure to cannabinoids during adolescent development can cause long-lasting changes in the brain’s reward system as well as the hippocampus, a brain area critical for learning and memory.
The message inherent in these and in multiple supporting studies is clear. Regular marijuana use in adolescence is part of a cluster of behaviors that can produce enduring detrimental effects and alter the trajectory of a young person’s life—thwarting his or her potential. Beyond potentially lowering IQ, teen marijuana use is linked to school dropout, other drug use, mental health problems, etc. Given the current number of regular marijuana users (about 1 in 15 high school seniors) and the possibility of this number increasing with marijuana legalization, we cannot afford to divert our focus from the central point: Regular marijuana use stands to jeopardize a young person’s chances of success—in school and in life.
The new research is part of a large-scale study of health and development conducted in New Zealand. Researchers administered IQ tests to over 1,000 individuals at age 13 (born in 1972 and 1973) and assessed their patterns of cannabis use at several points as they aged. Participants were again tested for IQ at age 38, and their two scores were compared as a function of their marijuana use. The results were striking: Participants who used cannabis heavily in their teens and continued through adulthood showed a significant drop in IQ between the ages of 13 and 38—an average of 8 points for those who met criteria for cannabis dependence. (For context, a loss of 8 IQ points could drop a person of average intelligence into the lowest third of the intelligence range.) Those who started using marijuana regularly or heavily after age 18 showed minor declines. By comparison, those who never used marijuana showed no declines in IQ.
Other studies have shown a link between prolonged marijuana use and cognitive or neural impairment. A recent report in Brain, for example, reveals neural-connectivity impairment in some brain regions following prolonged cannabis use initiated in adolescence or young adulthood. But the New Zealand study is the first prospective study to test young people before their first use of marijuana and again after long-term use (as much as 20+ years later). Indeed, the ruling out of a pre-existing difference in IQ makes the study particularly valuable. Also, and strikingly, those who used marijuana heavily before age 18 showed mental decline even after they quit taking the drug. This finding is consistent with the notion that drug use during adolescence—when the brain is still rewiring, pruning, and organizing itself—can have negative and long-lasting effects on the brain.
While this study cannot exclude all potential contributory factors (e.g., child abuse, subclinical mental illness, mild learning disabilities), the neuropsychological declines following marijuana use were present even after researchers controlled for factors like years of education, mental illness, and use of other substances. Mental impairment was evident not just in test scores but in users’ daily functioning. People who knew the study participants (e.g., friends and relatives) filled out questionnaires and reported that persistent cannabis users had significantly more memory and attention problems: easily getting distracted, misplacing things, forgetting to keep appointments or return calls, and so on.
Unfortunately, the proportion of American teens who believe marijuana use is harmful has been declining for the past several years, which has corresponded to a steady rise in their use of the drug, as shown by NIDA’s annual Monitoring the Future survey of 8th, 10th, and 12th graders. Since it decreases IQ, regular marijuana use stands to jeopardize a young person’s chances of success in school. So as another school year begins, we all must step up our efforts to educate teens about the harms of marijuana so that we can realign their perceptions of this drug with the scientific evidence.
Marijuana's Lasting Effects on the Brain
March 2013
UPDATE - March 21,2013 – A study was published in January 2013 contesting the interpretation of the large-scale marijuana study I discuss below—that heavy cannabis use begun in the teen years and continued into adulthood brings about declines in IQ scores. The contesting author used simulation models to suggest that other factors, such as socioeconomic status, may account for the downward IQ trend the original authors reported. In a rebuttal letter published in the March 4, 2013 issue of PNAS, the authors of the first study note that SES could not account for the findings they observed, because adolescent cannabis use was not more prevalent in populations with lower SES. (The complete PNAS letter can be read here; an extract can be read here.)
Observational studies in humans cannot account for all potentially confounding variables when addressing change in a complex trait like IQ, and future studies will be needed to further clarify exactly how much intelligence may be lost as a result of adolescent marijuana use. That such a loss does occur, however, is consistent with what we know from animal studies. Though limited in their application to the complex human brain, such studies can more definitively assess the relationship between drug exposure and various outcomes. They have shown that exposure to cannabinoids during adolescent development can cause long-lasting changes in the brain’s reward system as well as the hippocampus, a brain area critical for learning and memory.
The message inherent in these and in multiple supporting studies is clear. Regular marijuana use in adolescence is part of a cluster of behaviors that can produce enduring detrimental effects and alter the trajectory of a young person’s life—thwarting his or her potential. Beyond potentially lowering IQ, teen marijuana use is linked to school dropout, other drug use, mental health problems, etc. Given the current number of regular marijuana users (about 1 in 15 high school seniors) and the possibility of this number increasing with marijuana legalization, we cannot afford to divert our focus from the central point: Regular marijuana use stands to jeopardize a young person’s chances of success—in school and in life.
September 10, 2012 - We repeatedly hear the myth that marijuana is a benign drug—that it is not addictive (which it is) or that it does not pose a threat to the user’s health or brain (which it does). A major new study published last week in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (and funded partly by NIDA and other NIH institutes) provides objective evidence that, at least for adolescents, marijuana is harmful to the brain.
The new research is part of a large-scale study of health and development conducted in New Zealand. Researchers administered IQ tests to over 1,000 individuals at age 13 (born in 1972 and 1973) and assessed their patterns of cannabis use at several points as they aged. Participants were again tested for IQ at age 38, and their two scores were compared as a function of their marijuana use. The results were striking: Participants who used cannabis heavily in their teens and continued through adulthood showed a significant drop in IQ between the ages of 13 and 38—an average of 8 points for those who met criteria for cannabis dependence. (For context, a loss of 8 IQ points could drop a person of average intelligence into the lowest third of the intelligence range.) Those who started using marijuana regularly or heavily after age 18 showed minor declines. By comparison, those who never used marijuana showed no declines in IQ.
Other studies have shown a link between prolonged marijuana use and cognitive or neural impairment. A recent report in Brain, for example, reveals neural-connectivity impairment in some brain regions following prolonged cannabis use initiated in adolescence or young adulthood. But the New Zealand study is the first prospective study to test young people before their first use of marijuana and again after long-term use (as much as 20+ years later). Indeed, the ruling out of a pre-existing difference in IQ makes the study particularly valuable. Also, and strikingly, those who used marijuana heavily before age 18 showed mental decline even after they quit taking the drug. This finding is consistent with the notion that drug use during adolescence—when the brain is still rewiring, pruning, and organizing itself—can have negative and long-lasting effects on the brain.
While this study cannot exclude all potential contributory factors (e.g., child abuse, subclinical mental illness, mild learning disabilities), the neuropsychological declines following marijuana use were present even after researchers controlled for factors like years of education, mental illness, and use of other substances. Mental impairment was evident not just in test scores but in users’ daily functioning. People who knew the study participants (e.g., friends and relatives) filled out questionnaires and reported that persistent cannabis users had significantly more memory and attention problems: easily getting distracted, misplacing things, forgetting to keep appointments or return calls, and so on.
Unfortunately, the proportion of American teens who believe marijuana use is harmful has been declining for the past several years, which has corresponded to a steady rise in their use of the drug, as shown by NIDA’s annual Monitoring the Future survey of 8th, 10th, and 12th graders. Since it decreases IQ, regular marijuana use stands to jeopardize a young person’s chances of success in school. So as another school year begins, we all must step up our efforts to educate teens about the harms of marijuana so that we can realign their perceptions of this drug with the scientific evidence.
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Yeah, true, you're brain is still developing through your teens. 18 is the "legal" smoking age. Which is about the point you can burn the devils lettuce and (from what I've been told growing up) not fry your brain.
This thread wasn't about children smoking weed though..
You gotta think also, like anything, moderation is also key.
Work hard, then play.
This thread wasn't about children smoking weed though..
You gotta think also, like anything, moderation is also key.
Work hard, then play.
StandOnIt
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Oh oh here is a reply to the above article.
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/11/E980.extract
We reported that persistent cannabis use was associated with neuropsychological decline, from adolescence to midlife (1). Two commentators suggested alternative explanations; we tested these and report the results here.
Rogeberg (2) wonders whether socioeconomic differences explain the association between cannabis and neuropsychological decline. His argument is based on his assumption that cannabis use is more common in youngsters of low socioeconomic status (SES). He also believes that the intelligence quotients (IQs) of low-SES children are temporarily boosted by schooling but that when they leave school and choose their own niches, their IQs rebound to their former low baseline. If many cannabis users were low-SES children, Rogeberg says this coincidence would create the false impression that cannabis use was responsible for their IQ drop in adulthood.
Rogeberg’s (2) idea and simulated data are interesting, but actual data exclude the possibility that the IQ drop we observed was attributable to SES differences. First, adolescent cannabis users are not concentrated in the lower classes; cannabis is used by young people from all social strata. In the Dunedin cohort, low SES did not significantly predict adolescent-onset cannabis dependence (χ2 = 1.15; P = 0.56); only 23% of the adolescent cannabis users were from low-SES families (whose breadwinners had low-skill occupations such as foodpacker), making it unlikely that low SES explains why adolescent-onset cannabis users’ IQs decline. Second, as previously reported (3), the IQ scores of children from low-SES families did not change from the beginning of schooling to adolescence, nor did they change from adolescence to adulthood
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/11/E980.extract
We reported that persistent cannabis use was associated with neuropsychological decline, from adolescence to midlife (1). Two commentators suggested alternative explanations; we tested these and report the results here.
Rogeberg (2) wonders whether socioeconomic differences explain the association between cannabis and neuropsychological decline. His argument is based on his assumption that cannabis use is more common in youngsters of low socioeconomic status (SES). He also believes that the intelligence quotients (IQs) of low-SES children are temporarily boosted by schooling but that when they leave school and choose their own niches, their IQs rebound to their former low baseline. If many cannabis users were low-SES children, Rogeberg says this coincidence would create the false impression that cannabis use was responsible for their IQ drop in adulthood.
Rogeberg’s (2) idea and simulated data are interesting, but actual data exclude the possibility that the IQ drop we observed was attributable to SES differences. First, adolescent cannabis users are not concentrated in the lower classes; cannabis is used by young people from all social strata. In the Dunedin cohort, low SES did not significantly predict adolescent-onset cannabis dependence (χ2 = 1.15; P = 0.56); only 23% of the adolescent cannabis users were from low-SES families (whose breadwinners had low-skill occupations such as foodpacker), making it unlikely that low SES explains why adolescent-onset cannabis users’ IQs decline. Second, as previously reported (3), the IQ scores of children from low-SES families did not change from the beginning of schooling to adolescence, nor did they change from adolescence to adulthood
You can't argue with scientific evidence. Smoking weed makes you dumber.
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SuperTex14
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There are already plenty of laws, from local to federal, in place to discourage and punish underage users for being under the influence of legal drugs and alcohol. Any comments made by me were intended to apply to adults of legal age. I assume we are all adults here, if not, please understand that drugs and booze are bad, mmkay?
KevinWI
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Whaddya got the munchies?
StandOnIt
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ya got what ya got..don't drink or smoke anything ok?
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SuperTex14
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LOL enjoying this, are you Kev?
btw, do you go to Oshkosh? It looks like this will be the first time in about 10 years I haven't at least driven up for the day and walked the flightline, fingers crossed to maybe make it next weekend.
There's some smoking going on up there, too, my friend.
KevinWI
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Yes, go there every year. My father is a licensed private pilot and even screwed around with homebuilt experimental stuff like they have there back in the 70s and 80s. If you and the family can swing it (and it would probably be a late night home drive for you), but the day when the do the airshow at night is incredible. All the planes are lit up with super Whelen lights and it looks like something out of Star Wars. Really incredible, can't put it into words how awesome the night airshow is there. They also follow it up with what must literally be (not joking) like 90 minutes of fireworks. Really good ones, too.