Weeknight prime-time race should be next NASCAR gamble

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I just read this on what it would take to do a weeknight race on the NASCAR schedule. Thought some of you may be interested in reading......


A Monday night race that follows a Saturday night race, or even a midweek race.

It sounds like such a simple answer. Schedule a race a year in advance on a weekday instead of a weekend. Pro and college football teams do it. Prime time under the lights during the week. What would be better? What’s the problem?

The problem is a midweek race will require someone to take a big risk and probably more than just one group to put necks on the line. It will take a track willing to put its budget on the ledge, and it will take a television network willing to upset the planned weeknight prime-time lineup. And it also could take NASCAR giving up a little bit of money.

Television money is the key. From 2015-2024, with the average annual television deal $820 million and the bulk going for Cup events (the previous contract had 93.75 percent for Cup events; the division of this one has not been announced), the average Cup race weekend will earn roughly $20-21 million overall for the industry per Cup event weekend. NASCAR gets 10 percent of the television deal, the teams get 25 percent through the purse and the tracks get 65 percent.

No one wants to part with money. That’s why a shorter schedule with fewer races is not feasible. With tracks likely getting a $12-14 million payday on average for each Cup race from 2015-2024, even pulling one event out of the pockets of those track operators could send their stock into a tailspin. Without being able to cut races, the only other option is a weekday race. That’s where NASCAR will need to find a willing track operator.

Tracks depend on people to spend two or three days at the track, not one night. Many of their ticket holders come from areas where they couldn’t just drive in and out on a weekday (especially compared to a college or pro football game). They’d likely need to spend one night, and they likely would miss two days of work if that means a race even on a Monday.

No track wants to give up that potential ticket revenue to serve as the experiment for a weekday race. Unlike a football team with eight home games, tracks only have one or two prime opportunities to make money. The track operator would want a break on the sanction fee from NASCAR. And the television network might want a break on its overall fee for impacting a weeknight prime-time lineup.

If NASCAR is serious about trying to create buzz as well as trying to give its participants a little more normalcy in life, it will need to put up the money or at least make a guarantee that if a track doesn’t have a certain ticket sales or if a television network doesn’t hit a certain rating, it gives some sort of rebate.

Giving back money isn't exactly a sound financial philosophy. But it would be worth a shot at a track where more fans are nearby, where it is more of a “local” event where camping isn’t as prevalent. The problem is those are closer to big cities, where the other logistical headache would be traffic.

Phoenix would seem to be a logical place for such a race until considering traffic — a 5:30 or 6 p.m. Mountain Time race on a weekday would be a nightmare. Richmond? Probably a similar problem considering the traffic is heavy throughout a Saturday on its race days.

No easy solutions exist to having a weeknight Cup race. But at some point, where there’s a will, there should be a way. Hopefully, as NASCAR continues to take bold steps to excite fans, there’s enough will out there to make it happen soon.

from HERE
 
I read the first two paragraphs of the link and then there was this.....

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I love night races and would fully support a fully prime time schedule lol
 
I would like night races.

A dream that would never happen....
Thur night: Wilksboro
Fri night: Bristol
Sat night: Martinsville
Sun night: Richmond
 
I would like night races.

A dream that would never happen....
Thur night: Wilksboro
Fri night: Bristol
Sat night: Martinsville
Sun night: Richmond
It would be even cooler if they could string them all together amazing-race style...first to the finish at Richmond wins hahaha
 
It would be even cooler if they could string them all together amazing-race style...first to the finish at Richmond wins hahaha

I would like cumulative points for the four events, with an award to whomever gets the most. I would like to see them invert the starting grid based on points for the final three races.
 
NASCAR should foot the bill to try it out at a track that doesn't have a Cup race. A made for TV event that doesn't need a huge crowd (possibly upgrade a short track). Maybe something like a skins game.

Or maybe they could do a more elaborate qualifying event for the weekend race like a 125 race on a Thurs or Fri.
 
yeah just like ultimate fighter...Scream Fox sports 1 every ten seconds. Show flipping cars...with fire..and cut to the beautiful young women telling us three things we NEED to know. hail yeah we need prime time, lose about half of the so called Nascar fans watching night time soaps.
 
NASCAR should foot the bill to try it out at a track that doesn't have a Cup race. A made for TV event that doesn't need a huge crowd (possibly upgrade a short track). Maybe something like a skins game.

Or maybe they could do a more elaborate qualifying event for the weekend race like a 125 race on a Thurs or Fri.
Iowa Speedway. NASCAR just bought the place last year anyways.
 
I like the idea, but I see some issues. The aforementioned weekday traffic for one. Attendance for a weeknight race would probably be an issue, not sure how many tracks would be willing to give that up. Also, if there's a Saturday-Monday type race weekend, and the first race gets rained out both Saturday and Sunday, do you leave to go to the Monday race then come back to the first race on Tuesday or Wednesday?

Once again, I like it in theory, just don't know how practical it would be.
 
I said this last week. Not only does it give the schedule a much needed shakeup, it gives NASCAR some built-in off weekends.
 
The other thing that needs to happen is an offseason exhibition, whether it's the NASCAR Winter Heat Series or a Sprint Cup Series exhibition race at Irwindale or New Smyrna or somewhere. NASCAR needs to think outside the box a little bit.
 
If it were in a large market, attendance may be less of an issue. PPV may also be an option.

I'd fully support the event if it's not just some gimmick but rather a serious points race and probably should be done at a short track. Although, is a road course an option?
 
We've got our thinking caps on today... Agree with several of you.
 
This could be just the thing that gets Gordon back into really actually wanting to be there at the track again
 
Stafford runs lower classes on "Wacky" Wednesday nights. Stafford and Thompson run some races Thursday. Stafford and Thompson both run some partial programs Friday night and both run full programs Saturday as does Waterford and Seekonk.
There's always a decent, not spectacular, crowd no matter whats running.
 
Daytona 500 on Sunday night would be awesome. Good ol short track at night during the week would be awesome too.
 
You saw what happened last year at Eldora. Fans will support that kind of race. They should run a race there on a Wednesday, or Thursday night. If not the track should be one that is not currently on the schedule. That way they are not risking profits from one of (or only) their events. It would be a "must see" event if it were a dirt track, no matter where it is at. As long as they keep the events unique, I think it would work out well. Nascar still thinks it was the midweek date at Eldora that made ratings and turnout so good. I think it was because the track was dirt. In truth, it was probably both. I think they could get away with two a year. If they are going to be "prime time", then it should be someplace that is not likely to see rain. If Nascar really believes ratings, and attendance is "falling off a cliff", then they should give it a shot.
 
Daytona 500 on Sunday night would be awesome. Good ol short track at night during the week would be awesome too.

I think God has spoken on the matter of the Daytona 500. How many times, since being moved up to an afternoon race, has it become a prime time race? Three of the last five 500s?
 
I think God has spoken on the matter of the Daytona 500. How many times, since being moved up to an afternoon race, has it become a prime time race? Three of the last five 500s?

Yep, 2010, 2012, and 2014. And 2011 had so many cautions the sun was probably setting as Bayne crossed the line.
 
You saw what happened last year at Eldora. Fans will support that kind of race. They should run a race there on a Wednesday, or Thursday night. If not the track should be one that is not currently on the schedule. That way they are not risking profits from one of (or only) their events. It would be a "must see" event if it were a dirt track, no matter where it is at. As long as they keep the events unique, I think it would work out well. Nascar still thinks it was the midweek date at Eldora that made ratings and turnout so good. I think it was because the track was dirt. In truth, it was probably both. I think they could get away with two a year. If they are going to be "prime time", then it should be someplace that is not likely to see rain. If Nascar really believes ratings, and attendance is "falling off a cliff", then they should give it a shot.
I was there and would've been there if it was on Christmas morning because that race is so unique and a helluva lot of fun.
 
Primetime is where NASCAR needs to be. Especially in spring and summer when most people are out enjoying the weather on a Sunday afternoon. I LOVE the idea of midweek primetime events at new places.

I'll say wholeheartedly that Iowa Speedway would be a zoo on a Wednesday or Thursday night. People here love racing (we're 30 minutes from Knoxville). Another great one would be a return to Rockingham.
 
Another positive to weeknight races? They're not Saturday night races. Sure, I love a good night Cup race as much as the next guy, but it sucks when I get a Saturday off and I have to decide whether I'd rather go to the local short track or stay home to see Richmond or Bristol live.
 
Wow. that would be intense....Football 5 nights a week
Can't find one article mentioning all of the nights but have seen articles mentioning Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night games in addition to the Sunday & Monday night games. I love the NFL but that is over-saturation to the extreme. If all of these come true, there will be little room for NASCAR to avoid the NFL even on a weeknight.
 
I just see a problem for the teams getting cars ready for 2 races in a 4 day period. There would be the traditional race weekend with race ending Sunday afternoon - then teams would have to travel and/or have cars sent to a track nearby for the upcoming Wednesday race. Would practices and Q be on the same day as the race?

The easiest solution would consist of both races being in the SC/VA area so the shops are close to the tracks and there are tracks somewhat nearby each other.
 
Wednesday night is honestly the best night to try a weeknight race, if they don't try Monday nights. And any sport that changes its schedule to avoid competing with the NFL loses credibility in the process. IndyCar did just that and even Mario Andretti said they lost credibility.
 
Wednesday night is honestly the best night to try a weeknight race, if they don't try Monday nights. And any sport that changes its schedule to avoid competing with the NFL loses credibility in the process. IndyCar did just that and even Mario Andretti said they lost credibility.

IndyCar needed to make this move. The series doesn't have the funding to race weekly and would have three or four weeks without racing in fall and then run the finale (which is always compelling) in front of 20,000 fans and no TV audience.

If NASCAR doesn't make a move to primetime, IndyCar will. And to be honest... they have a better show right now regardless of what track they are on. (Ok, except St. Pete)
 
It doesn't have to be Sprint Cup either. Just running a Nationwide race on Wednesday or Thursday would be a ratings draw. From everything I've been told, that ARCA Summer Series package NBC Sports Network ran last year drew strong ratings, higher than NBCSN's Live IndyCar broadcasts actually, and those were shown at 11pm on Thursday nights.

I imagine NBCSN will air the K&N and Whelen Modified Tour races on weeknights in primetime given the success of the ARCA package last year.
 
IndyCar needed to make this move. The series doesn't have the funding to race weekly and would have three or four weeks without racing in fall and then run the finale (which is always compelling) in front of 20,000 fans and no TV audience.

If NASCAR doesn't make a move to primetime, IndyCar will. And to be honest... they have a better show right now regardless of what track they are on. (Ok, except St. Pete)

I like IndyCar's outside-the-box thinking but it won't work for them. There's just no market for that series in America.
 
Can't find one article mentioning all of the nights but have seen articles mentioning Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night games in addition to the Sunday & Monday night games. I love the NFL but that is over-saturation to the extreme. If all of these come true, there will be little room for NASCAR to avoid the NFL even on a weeknight.
Friday and Saturday games are basically banned from September through November, unless there's some new legislation developing.

The law has been interpreted to include the so-called "blackout rules" which protect a home team from competing games broadcast into its home territory on a day when it is playing a game at home, and from having to broadcast games within its home market area that have not sold out. It also, in effect, protects high school football and college football game attendance by blacking out pro football games locally on Friday evenings and Saturdays during those sports' regular seasons; these measures effectively outlawed the broadcasting (and, in practice, the playing) of NFL games on those days, since virtually all of the country is within 75 miles of at least one high school game on every Friday night in September and October.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Broadcasting_Act_of_1961
 
I like IndyCar's outside-the-box thinking but it won't work for them. There's just no market for that series in America.

I completely agree with you. The only thing that would save IndyCar would be allowing manufacturers and chassis builders to create a car with absolutely no limitations. That's what was appealing about Indy in the 70s-90s.
 
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