What if Cup car fails inspection after Homestead......are they even checked?

TexasRaceLady said:
Yep. It was the 25 top tens that Matt scored that made the difference. That and his pit crew --- superb work.
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Used to have the junkyard dogs, the rainbow warriors. Has there been a cool pit crew nickname since then?
 
sky said:
Used to have the junkyard dogs, the rainbow warriors. Has there been a cool pit crew nickname since then?
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They took away learned technological advantages. They should all wear the same white uniforms with a blue stripe, like the generic beer they used to sell.
Even beer companies recognized the err of their ways.
 
kyle18fan said:
Harvick ( AKA the cheating bully) will pat or kiss every component on his car should he win, he knows full well that he couldn't be penalized enough to cover all the illegal parts. 2 or 3 tenths better .... he ain't
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Today was telling.
 
StandOnIt said:
Harvick said he stopped. Hard to think a driver who needed to stay in the race would do something like that. But on the other hand, a driver who wasn't running for a championship in the truck series KDB did just that to a guy that was running for a championship.
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What Kyle did to Hornaday created 75% of Ron's fanbase. Owes Kyle.
 
I'd have more respect for the organization if it popped the team that runs an illegal car and finally fixes the issues within the sport. Allowing or turning a blind eye to cheating devalues the sport.

If NASCAR is allowing teams to run an illegal cars then at some point some one will provide documentation that NASCAR knowingly allowed a team to run an illegal car. It will go public. If that happened the sport is done. TV wouldn't touch it, and legal sports betting and the law surrounding it will eat it alive. NASCAR would be the WWE at that point.
 
BobbyFord said:
I have football :)
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... and football has playoffs with a certain number of teams determined by regular season records. Some teams that make the playoffs get eliminated. And the best team doesn't always win or even make it to the Superbowl. Almost sounds like The Chase.
 
2 Sweet said:
Ha! That's a good one. Yeah, the guy who was winning championships before Kyle was old enough to drive a car needs Kyle to get fans :rolleyes:
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not to mention they sat that jackass for two races, and at that point that is when I didn't become a KDB fan and I am sure many others didn't either. And some continue to wonder why some of us think his constant interfering in the other series is a problem? SMH.:blink:
 
BobbyFord said:
When a guy with one or two wins gets the championship over a guy with 8 wins, well that’s when you’ll realize who’s really getting screwed.
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TexasRaceLady said:
Well, there was 1993 --- Rusty had 10 wins compared to Dale's 6 --- Dale was champion.
It happens.
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Jeff Gordon had 10 wins over Terry Labonte’s 2 in 1996 and lost the championship by 37 points.

Same # of top 5s
Same # of top 10s
Gordon lead way more laps
Gordon had 2 more DNFs
37 points.

It happens.
 
JerryF said:
... and football has playoffs with a certain number of teams determined by regular season records. Some teams that make the playoffs get eliminated. And the best team doesn't always win or even make it to the Superbowl. Almost sounds like The Chase.
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But the format doesn’t change every year.
Auto racing isn’t stick and ball.
 
StandOnIt said:
not to mention they sat that jackass for two races, and at that point that is when I didn't become a KDB fan and I am sure many others didn't either. And some continue to wonder why some of us think his constant interfering in the other series is a problem? SMH.:blink:
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You guys must be worried about Kyle this weekend. Warming up the old **** because if he wins this year, all of your half season Champion crap goes out the window. Weak fans. Harvick is going to have something to say about all of this this weekend....and Joey is Joey....you never know when he is going to assert himself as the hard racer he thinks he is....and you have a new rant with the closing of the 78. You will be okay. There is hope. Hold on to the Hornaday crap only if it comes to that.....and I hope it does. BTW....there is a **** ton of KB fans....pisses me off when I have to wait for my merchandise.....and don't even get me started on backordering. You would like to believe that the guy has no fans, but he does. A lot of them. Nice people too....and he is nice to them. It's a freakin' love fest while others wander about mumbling about some Truck driver.

Towmater said:
I'd have more respect for the organization if it popped the team that runs an illegal car and finally fixes the issues within the sport. Allowing or turning a blind eye to cheating devalues the sport.

If NASCAR is allowing teams to run an illegal cars then at some point some one will provide documentation that NASCAR knowingly allowed a team to run an illegal car. It will go public. If that happened the sport is done. TV wouldn't touch it, and legal sports betting and the law surrounding it will eat it alive. NASCAR would be the WWE at that point.
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You are not a first year fan. It has been going on forever. It is part of the charm of the sport. The difference today is that NASCAR feels responsible to social media--that they have to answer to the fans who think they want a level playing field. So, they chase their asses in search of a perfect system they will never find. In a relative sense--with teams getting spanked on occasion--the system has always worked, and should have never been screwed with....but with the OSS, we feel so close to Nirvana---until Rodney works his spoiler magic. This should be the source of outrage for OSS and fair play fans. Unthinkable that this hasn't been posted yet, but my God, Delana's wife gets in the car all season, and is 2-3 tenths clear of the field in practice and qualifying. We get to the definitive 1.5 miler, and look at him without the spoiler. What the hell does that tell you? Come on, you know. It tells you that that team has been running that **** all season. Every race. Found the 2-3 tenths. Honestly, I as a TRD/KB fan, I should be the most pissed. Been chasing a cheater all season....but I absolutely am not. Not even a little. Part of the game, and I am under no illusion that the 18 is perfectly clean either. Who the hell cares? It's all relative, and the banter is part of the fun. You think you want to DQ cars that fail inspection? Hmmmm. I wonder who has spent thousands to attend a race only to find that the winner wasn't the winner? Don't talk to me about your local short track. I am talking big time racing that costs significant money (for us regular guys) to get to. I wonder. I have. Portland, 1995. Huge Al Unser Jr. fan. My first race of any kind ever. My guy wins. This is pre-social media, etc. days. Find out at midnight on ESPN that he was DQ'ed. Complete bull****. Talk about a great way to turn away fans. Who the hell will show up when the "true" winner isn't announced until three days after the event? Nobody....but we keep whining like 8 year olds about what isn't fair. Six months later, Little Al was reinstated as winner, but the damage was done. I wouldn't spend money to go through that again. I am so sick of this ****. Most anything anybody says is rooted in who they like. Let's acknowledge that, and keep it at that. In this sense, let's not go off when a driver we don't like is caught because we don't need more OSS. We need less bitching, and more celebrating of this great sport. NASCAR's problem is not about legal cars, it's about a perceived need to have them legal.
 
Does anybody seriously think that anything wrong will be found with the championship winner's car? At this stage of the game the last thing NASCAR needs is a scandal so even if a car could not pass inspection looking the other way would be much better.
 
Revman said:
You guys must be worried about Kyle this weekend. Warming up the old sh!t because if he wins this year, all of your half season Champion crap goes out the window.
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I haven't cared much about the championship post 2003 when they went to the playoff nonsense, and now hardly at all since 2014 or whenever they switched to this Homestead Cup format, so it doesn't bother me at all that Kyle won a "championship" in a year he missed several races. Hell, if anyone deserves it this year, it's Kyle. He won the "regular season" points title, right?
 
Revman said:
You are not a first year fan. It has been going on forever. It is part of the charm of the sport. The difference today is that NASCAR feels responsible to social media--that they have to answer to the fans who think they want a level playing field. So, they chase their asses in search of a perfect system they will never find. In a relative sense--with teams getting spanked on occasion--the system has always worked, and should have never been screwed with....but with the OSS, we feel so close to Nirvana---until Rodney works his spoiler magic. This should be the source of outrage for OSS and fair play fans. Unthinkable that this hasn't been posted yet, but my God, Delana's wife gets in the car all season, and is 2-3 tenths clear of the field in practice and qualifying. We get to the definitive 1.5 miler, and look at him without the spoiler. What the hell does that tell you? Come on, you know. It tells you that that team has been running that sh!t all season. Every race. Found the 2-3 tenths. Honestly, I as a TRD/KB fan, I should be the most pissed. Been chasing a cheater all season....but I absolutely am not. Not even a little. Part of the game, and I am under no illusion that the 18 is perfectly clean either. Who the hell cares? It's all relative, and the banter is part of the fun. You think you want to DQ cars that fail inspection? Hmmmm. I wonder who has spent thousands to attend a race only to find that the winner wasn't the winner? Don't talk to me about your local short track. I am talking big time racing that costs significant money (for us regular guys) to get to. I wonder. I have. Portland, 1995. Huge Al Unser Jr. fan. My first race of any kind ever. My guy wins. This is pre-social media, etc. days. Find out at midnight on ESPN that he was DQ'ed. Complete bull****. Talk about a great way to turn away fans. Who the hell will show up when the "true" winner isn't announced until three days after the event? Nobody....but we keep whining like 8 year olds about what isn't fair. Six months later, Little Al was reinstated as winner, but the damage was done. I wouldn't spend money to go through that again. I am so sick of this sh!t. Most anything anybody says is rooted in who they like. Let's acknowledge that, and keep it at that. In this sense, let's not go off when a driver we don't like is caught because we don't need more OSS. We need less bitching, and more celebrating of this great sport. NASCAR's problem is not about legal cars, it's about a perceived need to have them legal.
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Again, if NASCAR knowing allows illegal cars to run, or finds issues and doesn't enforce the rules then it is called fraud if proof and not conjecture is provided. If that is happening and it comes to light then "the sport" tanks and people go to jail.
 
High point men to the back of the pack!:director:
 
BobbyFord said:
But the format doesn’t change every year.
Auto racing isn’t stick and ball.
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I just thought it was ironic that you mentioned you were not going to watch Nascar racing because of the Chase, but were switching over to other sports that have had playoffs for many years -- longer than Nascar. Plus stick and ball playoffs have changed over the years, as have their rules.
 
JerryF said:
I just thought it was ironic that you mentioned you were not going to watch Nascar racing because of the Chase, but were switching over to other sports that have had playoffs for many years -- longer than Nascar. Plus stick and ball playoffs have changed over the years, as have their rules.
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IMO, playoffs don’t belong in auto racing. So I don’t watch.
 
I think that the nomenclature "playoffs" is stupid for racing.
should be "runoffs" but the scca. Owns that.
 
IanMcVittie said:
Does anybody seriously think that anything wrong will be found with the championship winner's car? At this stage of the game the last thing NASCAR needs is a scandal so even if a car could not pass inspection looking the other way would be much better.
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Racers have been suspected of cheating in about forever, but NASCAR showed its true intentions back in 1984. That's when Richard Petty won his (official) 200th race - with President Reagan in attendance. Petty's engine was too big (found during tech inspection after the race) but NASCAR decided to overlook that - they even deny it to this day. So although racers already knew that there were ways they could "get away with things", this proved that you'd be pretty safe if it was a big moment and you weren't so obvious that casual fans would notice.
 
This is quite a fishing expedition, without proof of any of it, it is like a dog chasing it's tail, or talking about the whopper fish that isn't hanging on the wall. Pure hearsay. This thread might make it until next season. :p
 
Autoweek had plenty to say about it back in 1985, but you are right the physical evidence is long gone.
 
gone said:
Autoweek had plenty to say about it back in 1985, but you are right the physical evidence is long gone.
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I am not doubting over the long span of time some things that are going to slip thru, this ain't about inspecting tennis shoes, it is motor racing, highly technical with many parts and pieces. Teams are supposed to try to get by with what ever they can get by with for as long as they can. Years ago they smuggled Nitrous Oxide in the cars. Hopefully it won't get deleted by the mod this time. Could be happening now as long as we are fishing.
 
What is a stretch for me is trying to create a conspiracy out of the finishers. Now I am not going to dig into my old calculus book and set up a matrix, to many variables anyway that will get in the way. But with Nascar reshuffling the deck three times with this latest chase, and doing a cut off with only a few in the others and then looking at the old style of awarding points, a person can see that it is the cumulative fiddling with the points standings that is causing most of the determining factor in the finishing orders.
 
If you're wondering if NASCAR influences how a team might perform during a race, here is an interesting quote by Harold Holly (longtime NASCAR chief mechanic and crew chief for the 2000 Xfinity Series champion Jeff Green). It appears in the November 2018 issue of Speedway Illustrated magazine, pages 95 -96:

"At Chicago, in the 2003 Xfinity Series race, with Bobby Hamilton Jr. and Team Rensi, we almost lapped the whole field. NASCAR sat me down after that and told me it was an entertainment business. They said if we ever got more than a three second lead again, we better slow down or they were going to find a good reason to park us."

So yeah, believe what you want... or listen to people who have been there.
 
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