What Punishment will Sliced Bread and the Kez get?

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Its a given that Keslowski and Logano will getfned for illegal cars at Texas. But how much? I forsee a 6 race crew chief suspention, a 50k fine for both drivers, the docking of 25 driver/owner points for both drivers, and a 100k fine for bth of their crew chiefs.
 
Brian seems like he's in a good mood this week... Probably nothing but an eye on them.
 
Nothing actually illegal was found. I think they all get a clear warning and save the fiasco of appeals like Hendrick at Daytona.
 
He wont be fined for his comments http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...15/keselowski-wont-be-fined-for-comments.html

Brian France, words from the Temple Mount.

“The line that we draw is that you can’t criticize the racing product,” France said. “You can criticize our decisions, you can criticize everything else, which is more than any other sport might allow. But just don’t go talking about our racing product isn’t the best in the world, because it is.”
 
@TheMiniChad
today is the day John Middlebrook learns how big his bribes will be after the #2, #22 & #56 get their penalties. (hint: ask HMS for advice)
 
@nascarcasm
When can a race team have a bad points day when there isn't even a race going on? That would be today.
 
Nascar's fighting it out with professional wrestling for last place in credibility.
How could Hamlin get penalized for what he said yet Kez get a pass?
Inconsistency at it's finest.
 
Maybe if they do get fined, Brian will let a 30 yr. Ford boss over rule the final decession of the appeals committee. Like they did with Johnson.
 
When a team is caught bending the rules, do you think that the driver knew that the car was illegal and should he be fined also, or do you think the crew keeps it a secret from them?
 
I find it interesting how much media time a cheater gets.
How many teams get thru an entire season without any issues?
 
Smoke14 said:
I find it interesting how much media time a cheater gets.
How many teams get thru an entire season without any issues?
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Should tell you something. But I assume if you are a consistent front runner, you must be pushing the envelope. And pointing fingers is common, I worked a short track one summer as inspector and I have to say there was a lot of drivers coming up to me pointing out other drivers questionable cars.
 
When I was about 5 my brother sent me in to tell my mom the new way to say cheeze. So I went inside and said Shee-it like he taught me. She instantly washed my mouth out with some soap.

It doesnt apply here, I just like telling the story.
 
On Wednesday, May 1 at 9 a.m. at the NASCAR Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C., the National Stock Car Racing Appeals Panel will hear Penske Racing’s appeal of penalties assessed to the No. 2 and No. 22 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series teams.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I wonder how long until we know.
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Not sure. The media is camped out there today expecting answers. I don't know if it's more or less and immediate response or not.

I'm guessing that we'll see everything upheld on this one though. I'm also guessing that JGR's will be reduced when it's been heard.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Not sure. The media is camped out there today expecting answers. I don't know if it's more or less and immediate response or not.

I'm guessing that we'll see everything upheld on this one though. I'm also guessing that JGR's will be reduced when it's been heard.
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Yeah Im thinking a deduction in the amount of points taken from JGR and they let him collect owners points. I'm not expecting Penske to get any points back but I think they may get some of their crew back. Just remember what happens now isn't necessarily the last step. Did you know John Middlebrook's annual salary is 1$(yes, one dollar)
 
Read this.....

@bobpockrass
Here at Penske appeal. We are in a separate room. Wouldn't expect decision until early afternoon at earliest but could be late afternoon.
 
Nitro Dude said:
When a team is caught bending the rules, do you think that the driver knew that the car was illegal and should he be fined also, or do you think the crew keeps it a secret from them?
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I think the drivers know and if I was a driver I would want to know.
 
Among those representing Penske Racing at today's appeal: Roger Penske, Tim Cindric, Paul Wolfe, Todd Gordon, Travis Geisler.
 
@tomjensen100
Regardless of the outcome of today's hearing @NASCAR R&D Center, Roger Penske will make a statement afterwards.
 
@bobpockrass
And while we don't anticipate this - the appeals board technically doesn't have to issue a decision today.
 
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me.../diverse-group-compromises-appeals-panel.html

Interesting list of possible panelists to hear the appeal.

Drivers

Buddy Baker: A 19-time winner on NASCAR’s premier series who competed from 1959 until 1992, then moved into the broadcast booth. Today co-hosts a radio program on SiriusXM.
Janet Guthrie: Pioneering female competitor who was the first woman to drive in both the Daytona 500 and Indianapolis 500. Made 33 starts in NASCAR’s top series, with a best finish of sixth at Bristol in 1977.
Hurley Haywood: Among the foremost sports-car drivers of his age, was part of five victories in the Rolex 24 at Daytona, three in the 24 Hours of LeMans, and two at the 12 Hours of Sebring. Remains an instructor at Porsche Sport Driving School at Barber Motorsports Park in Alabama.
Bill Lester: The first African-American driver to compete in a Nationwide Series event, he drove in all three of NASCAR’s national divisions, making two Sprint Cup starts in 2006. The electrical engineering graduate from Cal-Berkeley became the first African-American to win a GRAND-AM event in 2011.
Robert Pressley: Made 205 starts across three years in NASCAR’s top series, with a best finish of second at Chicagoland in 2001. Also won 10 times on the Nationwide circuit, and twice on the Camping World Truck tour.
Shawna Robinson: The first female driver to win a pole in the Nationwide Series, she competed in all three of NASCAR’s national divisions across a 12-year span. Appeared in eight races at the premier level, with a best finish of 24th in the Daytona 500 in 2002.
Lyn St. James: The first woman to win Indianapolis 500 Rookie of the Year, with 16 starts in major American open-wheel circuits. Founder of the Women in the Winner’s Circle Foundation, which provides grants to female drivers to help advance their careers in motorsports.

CREW CHIEFS

Buddy Parrott: Won 49 events in 18 seasons at NASCAR’s top level, 10 of them coming with Rusty Wallace in the 1993 campaign. Won the Daytona 500 with Richard Petty and Derrike Cope, and also oversaw race victories for Darrell Waltrip and Jeff Burton.
Waddell Wilson: Winner of eight races with three different drivers -- Geoffrey Bodine, Bobby Allison and Ricky Rudd -- as a crew chief, but better known as an engine builder. His power plants were behind championships won by David Pearson and Benny Parsons, and the first 200 mph lap at Talladega.

CAR OWNERS

Jack Housby: Fielded cars in the 1970s and ’80s. Housby made 12 starts in the sport’s premier division, with a best finish of fifth with driver Pete Hamilton at the former North Carolina Motor Speedway in 1972. Is also former president of the National Sprint Car Hall of Fame.
Steve Lewis: Former U.S. Auto Club car owner whose teams were a powerhouse, providing a springboard for future stars like Stan Fox, Tony Stewart and Kasey Kahne. J.J. Yeley, Mile Bliss, Jason Leffler and many others drove for a team that earned over 130 feature wins in a 29-year span.
Bud Moore: A NASCAR Hall of Fame member who won the 1962 and ’63 premier-series championships with Joe Weatherly, he claimed 63 races in a long career working out of Spartanburg, S.C. His drivers also included Bobby Allison, Ricky Rudd, and Dale Earnhardt.
Robert Yates: One of NASCAR’s top engine builders, he moved into team ownership when he bought Harry Ranier’s team in 1988. He won 57 races over 21 years, including a trio of Daytona 500 crowns -- one with Davey Allison, and two with Dale Jarrett, with whom he won the championship in 1999.

TRACK OPERATORS

Mark Arute: General manager and chief operating officer of Stafford Motor Speedway, a half-mile oval in Stafford Springs, Conn.
Lee Baumgarten: Director of operations at Phoenix International Raceway, and former general manager of Tucson Raceway Park.
Clay Campbell: President of Martinsville Speedway, and occasional driver who last year finished 12th in a K&N Pro Series East event at Columbus, Ohio.
Joie Chitwood: President of Daytona International Speedway.
Ed Clark: President of Atlanta Motor Speedway.
Barbara Cromarty: Co-owner of Riverhead Raceway, a quarter-mile track in Riverhead, N.Y.
Doug Fritz: President of Iowa Speedway, and former president of Richmond International Raceway.
Richard Gore: Owner of Old Dominion Raceway, a three-eighths mile oval near Manassas, Va.
Russell Hackett: Owner of Caraway Speedway, a half-mile track near Asheboro, N.C.
Brandon Igdalsky: President of Pocono Raceway.
Stan Lasky: General Mangager at Motordrome Speedway, a half-mile track near Smithson, Pa. Also a former late-model driver who three times fielded a car in the premier series as an owner.
Grant Lynch: Chairman of Talladega Superspeedway.
Denis McGlynn: Chief executive officer of Dover Motorsports, which owns Dover International Speedway.
Bill Mullis: Operator of Langley Speedway, a .33-mile track located in Hampton, Va.
Steve Page: President and general manager of Sonoma Raceway.
Dale Pinilis: Operator of Bowman Gray Stadium, a quarter-mile track Winston-Salem, N.C., and the longest continuously operating weekly track in NASCAR.
Cathy Rice: General manager of South Boston Speedway, a .4-mile track in South Boston, Va.
Kevin Whitaker: Owner of Greenville-Pickens Speedway, a half-mile track near Easley, S.C.
John White: Co-owner of Chemung Speedrome, a three-eighths mile track in Chemung, N.Y., best known as the springboard for Bodine brothers Geoffrey, Brett, and Todd.
Jim Williams: Former operator of Irwindale Speedway, a track in Irwindale, Calif., that features half- and quarter-mile ovals.
Jo DeWitt Wilson: Former president of North Carolina Motor Speedway, which hosted NASCAR’s premier series from 1965-2005, and now hosts the Camping World Truck Series under owner Andy Hillenburg and the name Rockingham Speedway.

ADMINISTRATORS

Jeff Belskus: Chief executive officer of the IndyCar Series, and former chief executive officer of Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
John Bishop: Former executive director of the Sports Car Club of America.
Paul Brooks: Former NASCAR senior vice president, and president of NASCAR Media Group.
John Capels: Former president and chairman of the board of the United States Auto Club. Also won four major open-wheel races as a team manager, the last with Johnny Rutherford at Michigan in 1986.
Ken Clapp: Former race promoter and NASCAR executive who was key in opening the sport to the West Coast. Helped bring the premier series to the road course at Sonoma, Calif.
David Hall: Former president of Gaylord Communications Group, whose holdings included former NASCAR television partner The Nashville Network.
John Horton: Chief steward at Bowman Gray Stadium.
Don Panoz: Patriarch of the Panoz motorsports empire that includes a manufacturer of high-performance automobiles, and the race track Road Atlanta. Also creator of the American LeMans Series, which in 2014 will become part of United Sports Car Racing.
Jay Signore: Former president of the defunct International Race of Champions, which held events combining top drivers from different circuits from 1964 until its closing following the 2006 season.
Humpy Wheeler: Head of consulting firm The Wheeler Company. Longtime track promoter and former president and general manager of Charlotte Motor Speedway.

OTHERS

Christiane Ayotte: Director of doping control at the Institut National de la Recherché Scientifique in Montreal, a lab accredited by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
Dick Berggren: Longtime racing broadcaster and magazine editor who was lead pit reporter on FOX from 2001 until 2012. Also a former driver in modifieds, stock cars and sprint cars.
Robert L. DuPont: First director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, and White House Drug Czar from 1973 to ’77 under presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. Current principal at Bensinger DuPont and Associates, which administers drug testing management and employee assistance programs.
Laurel Farrell: Retired toxicologist who formerly worked for the Colorado Department of Health and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation.
 
@nascarcasm
Sitting around for hours waiting for something to happen will prepare us well for this weekend's restrictor-plate action. #PenskeAppeal
 
So will we be seeing white or black smoke emanate from the pipe atop the R&D center if Penske is found guilty? Oh, sorry, I guess that was the Pope thingy.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
So will we be seeing white or black smoke emanate from the pipe atop the R&D center if Penske is found guilty? Oh, sorry, I guess that was the Pope thingy.
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Yeah, but they generate the smoke by having Geoff Bodine do burnouts behind the R&D center in an old Cup car.
 
They'd better be careful in the presentation of their case.....

@ClaireBLang
There's an additional part in rule book - NASCAR member can be held "in contempt" during hearing - and may be subject to disciplinary action.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Among those representing Penske Racing at today's appeal: Roger Penske, Tim Cindric, Paul Wolfe, Todd Gordon, Travis Geisler.
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Smart thinking, leave Bad Brad at home or otherwise after he gets through talking they would probably double the penalties. :D
 
KevinWI said:
I think the drivers know and if I was a driver I would want to know.
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Nitro Dude said:
When a team is caught bending the rules, do you think that the driver knew that the car was illegal and should he be fined also, or do you think the crew keeps it a secret from them?
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I don't think anyone 'knows' it's illegal , so why would they tell anyone that it is ? If the shock specialist builds a better shock that he feels is taking advantage of some grey area , would he announce to the team , "heh,I'm putting in an illegal shock !" I don't think that he would consider it illegal. Gibbs didn't 'know' their part was illegal or they wouldn't have done it . Penske had no way of knowing . So the answer is no , the driver never knows .
 
ted@economy said:
I don't think anyone 'knows' it's illegal , so why would they tell anyone that it is ? If the shock specialist builds a better shock that he feels is taking advantage of some grey area , would he announce to the team , "heh,I'm putting in an illegal shock !" I don't think that he would consider it illegal. Gibbs didn't 'know' their part was illegal or they wouldn't have done it . Penske had no way of knowing . So the answer is no , the driver never knows .
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Yeah, but does the crew chief tell the driver if he "thinks outside the box" with the rear end or something?
 
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