What teams are most worried about.

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The driver theme of the day seems to be cars over heating in the pack.

I'm not surprised. They are talking about losing power as soon as they use the draft to close in and pack race. 500 miles at 240 degrees just isn't going to work. Not with these 80+ temperatures. Sundays prediction is 68, but then again, todays forecast was 82, cloudy and windy.
 
I think you'll see nascar make another change before Sunday.
 
MoMike said:
I think you'll see nascar make another change before Sunday.
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I hope so, or we''l probably see what we saw in the second duel. A strung out pack that wasn't a pack all day, and steam engines racing at the end. I'll be more concerned if Sunday turns out to be as warm as today.
 
NASCAR said they aren't changing anything else. It's up to the teams to get their temps down. Also, the ambient temps will be lower on Sunday.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
It would be terrible to see real contenders taken out by over-heating.
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A few guys said they couldn't race at the end because the high temps made them lose power when they closed on the group. I would like to know how much higher the pressure relief valves can go. But the problem of lost coolant can't be solved, and the higher they go the worse it will get when it does blow water.
 
Matthew2470 said:
NASCAR said they aren't changing anything else. It's up to the teams to get their temps down. Also, the ambient temps will be lower on Sunday.
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Guaranteed? Leaving the Daytona 500 up to a weather forecast is very risky.
 
All of the above, hate to see a "winner" because good cars done blow'd up overheating. This is where na$car gets a epic fail. They know it might be warm, it is Fla afterall, yet they reduce the grille opening? How's that gonna work in the July race? Another change? No wonder they can't get a handle on the car, the rules keep changing.
 
FenderBumper said:
Guaranteed? Leaving the Daytona 500 up to a weather forecast is very risky.
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The Ford teams aren't having issues. The teams will need to fix it. I want NASCAR to make a change but they are not going to do so. I'm confident that the teams will get it handled. They have people working on it that are almost as smart as those of us who post here.
 
Someone will stop by and lecture us on the need to shut up and show some blind faith toward NASCAR. Even if all this works out Sunday, playing all these risky games with the biggest race of the year is plain dumb.
 
Matthew2470 said:
The Ford teams aren't having issues. The teams will need to fix it. I want NASCAR to make a change but they are not going to do so. I'm confident that the teams will get it handled. They have people working on it that are almost as smart as those of us who post here.
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I was talking to MoeJoe about this last night. The Fords should have a real advantage this weekend.
 
I don't know what they can do to battle it? I'd imagine the hotter engine is making the drivers feet just a touch warmer too...
 
Matthew2470 said:
The Ford teams aren't having issues. The teams will need to fix it. I want NASCAR to make a change but they are not going to do so. I'm confident that the teams will get it handled. They have people working on it that are almost as smart as those of us who post here.
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It's a great way for NASCAR to lower costs...:sarcasm:

Smaller teams don't have 8 or 9 engineers to work this out. How does this help competition.

Now the TV guys are nervous.
 
FenderBumper said:
It's a great way for NASCAR to lower costs...:sarcasm:

Smaller teams don't have 8 or 9 engineers to work this out. How does this help competition.

Now the TV guys are nervous.
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Penalize the big teams for having the nerve to be successful unless they fire some engineers. Give the small teams extra money because they need it. Maybe a salary cap. Create rules to even the competition because people love that.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Penalize the big teams for having the nerve to be successful unless they fire some engineers. Give the small teams extra money because they need it. Maybe a salary cap. Create rules to even the competition because people live that.
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Err...how about if nascar didn't come up with so many new ways for the teams to spend money? There's an idea.
 
Matthew2470 said:
The Ford teams aren't having issues. The teams will need to fix it. I want NASCAR to make a change but they are not going to do so. I'm confident that the teams will get it handled. They have people working on it that are almost as smart as those of us who post here.
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How can the ford teams have a advantage? Isn't na$car all about PARITY?????
 
I heard prestone is developing a super-coolant for HMS right now..... it's right at 1900.00 a gallon:eek:
 
Matthew2470 said:
They have people working on it that are almost as smart as those of us who post here.
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Not even possible.
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SST55 said:
How can the ford teams have a advantage? Isn't na$car all about PARITY?????
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Last season they were talking about the new FR9 engine FORD developed, saying that it was better at dissipating heat, therefore could run longer without getting as hot.
 
so you drop to the back of the pack with a couple of buddies if you're running hot. just far enough back to keep in touch with the back of the pack. come to the front the last 50 laps with a relatively fresh engine. might also keep you out of a couple of big ones.
 
I like the fact that the Ford's posted the fastest practice times and that they have the best cooling systems. But all of that really doesn't mean anything because NASCAR has screwed plate racing up so bad that it's an absolute crap-shoot as to whom will win the race (e.g. Trevor Bayne). Cars will blow up, cars will collect, it's just what happens in this type of "racing". Can't wait for after Daytona, when the real racing begins.
 
There are always some cars that ride at the front just because they are fast . Some of the others ride near the back hoping theirs car will improve. The final laps are the fast cars , the survivors and a couple who made it up from the back.
 
BobbyFord said:
I like the fact that the Ford's posted the fastest practice times and that they have the best cooling systems. But all of that really doesn't mean anything because NASCAR has screwed plate racing up so bad that it's an absolute crap-shoot as to whom will win the race (e.g. Trevor Bayne). Cars will blow up, cars will collect, it's just what happens in this type of "racing". Can't wait for after Daytona, when the real racing begins.
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What do you think should be done about racing at restrictor plate tracks? Did NASCAR make bad changes or were they just reacting to what the teams were doing?
 
I think they should either make drastic changes in the tracks by reducing banking or dump Talladega and Daytona from the schedule. Technological advances in power and aerodynamics have exceeded the safety characteristics of these two dinosaur-era racing facilities. JMO.
 
I think they're a ton safer in todays cars if they were running at 210, then they were 10 years ago running at 200. My question is, at what speed would the cars begin to string out?
 
I love when people use Trevor Bayne as an example that anyone can win on these tracks. People have short memories. He was consistently at the top of the charts last year. Jeff Gordon worked all of Speedweeks with him. I know because helped me have a great points weekend last year to open up my Yahoo picks.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I love when people use Trevor Bayne as an example that anyone can win on these tracks. People have short memories. He was consistently at the top of the charts last year. Jeff Gordon worked all of Speedweeks with him. I know because helped me have a great points weekend last year to open up my Yahoo picks.
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He made a move that many veterans haven't made. Moving down in front of Edwards, knowing that his pusher couldn't follow, sealed that win. Edwards had nowhere to go with LaBonte on his right side and the yellow line on theleft.
 
The problem is that there are millions of fans who love pack racing and would freak out of Daytona and Talladega removed some banking. At the very least I wish they'd take Talladega out of the Chase.
 
MoMike said:
I think they're a ton safer in todays cars if they were running at 210, then they were 10 years ago running at 200. My question is, at what speed would the cars begin to string out?
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With the parity in racing today , the speed isn't whats keeping them from getting strung out.There just aren't enough slow cars out there anymore. If most of the cars in the race are within a tenth of a second of each other , it doesn't matter if the are going 150 or 200 mph , the only time they seperate from each other is during pit stops. Parity is what has changed the racing.
 
Parity changed racing to some extent, but there were many other factors that changed Plate racing, and I think that the biggest one was the COT. While I absolutely hate the 2x2 crap, I don't want to see half a dozen or more very competitive cars DNF because they are overheating. Teams can only adapt to the new rules to a certain point, then it is out of their hands. I see the biggest problem here as it has been in the past at the Plate tracks, Nascar puts a few band aids on the cut, when it really needs stitches. The cars match up front to back where they are able to push, simply make it so they don't match up. this would require redesigning either front end or the rear, I'd think it be easier to do the rear. It will change the aero some, which they will have to figure out all over again, but over complicating the situation isn't doing the teams or for that matter Nascar any good.
 
Matthew2470 said:
What do you think should be done about racing at restrictor plate tracks?
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I have always disliked Plate Races. NA$$CAR had to do something to slow the cars down, but they created a monster by giving drivers the ability to run an etire lap at full throttle.

My suggestion is to make it necessary for the drivers to lift off of the throttle when entering the turns. Even on the high banks at D and T, it could be done by using harder/narrower/grooved tires and/or reduced downforce. Then NA$$CAR could take away the plates and let 'em race!

Racing is about controlling throttle, brake and steering - not a 200 MPH parade...
 
I'll be more than happy to be the minority on this one. I have no problem with plate racing. It's some of the most exciting racing that there is IMO. I've been around to see the races before plates were the norm and I can tell you right now, most everyone on here would have been complaining about the racing back then. Heck, people get upset now when they get strung out on much smaller tracks.
 
Plate races are better than some mile and a halfs. Maybe nascar will find a way to make the first 450 miles more exciting, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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