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N2racin44
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I tell you what, just knock the 31 degree banking down to about 16 degrees in turns 3 and 4. Leave turns 1 and 2 alone. Then take the plates off. That would make for an interesting race.
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SST55
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Make them run sealed crate motors, same as many short tracks have gone too. No plate needed.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
The track isn't the issue. The issue is the COT cars and Nascar.
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HUTfan
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We had the same issues at Dega with the old car. I think something has to be done under the hood or with the banking of the track. Plates just are not working.
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PettyBlue
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No, it isnt. NASCAR has always been about racing what's on the dealer's showroom floors and trying to keep carbureted pushrod engines viable in a world that has seen technology advance by leaps and bounds.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
I think the COT has made it worse. Sure, since they started running plates the cars have been running in packs, but with all the rules that have been implememnted over the years, there are 43 cars that are just way too close together.
Maybe it's time they let go the riegns a little for the two plate tracks. Leave the plates, but allow a little more creativity in the shocks, the aerodynamics, and let the fast guys (the ones that know how to make a car go faster) so what they can do to outrun the rest.
Then you'd end up with packs of cars, sure, but smaller packs. And the ones that are running up front would be the cream of the crop, not the guys you have up there now.
Basically, they've leveled the playing field too much for this type of racing with the new car, and now there are just too many cars running too close together on these two superspeedways.
Maybe it's time they let go the riegns a little for the two plate tracks. Leave the plates, but allow a little more creativity in the shocks, the aerodynamics, and let the fast guys (the ones that know how to make a car go faster) so what they can do to outrun the rest.
Then you'd end up with packs of cars, sure, but smaller packs. And the ones that are running up front would be the cream of the crop, not the guys you have up there now.
Basically, they've leveled the playing field too much for this type of racing with the new car, and now there are just too many cars running too close together on these two superspeedways.
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PettyBlue
Guest
Richard Petty led a boycott of the track when it first opened and they were worried about tires. The fact is, NASCAR doesn't have to race there.
racer8
Team Owner
Lower the banking and lose the plates.
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
blow up the NASCAR R&D Center and start over.
sloggie
Racing I will teach you
Why wouldn't mandating Gear ratios work? Keep them really at a set ratio so the top speed wouldn't be out of control and the drivers could lift without losing 10 spots at time
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Mopardh9
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Been saying that since they went to the plates. But nascar wants this fabricatd racing. The drivers need to boycott the race in the spring like they did back in the old days. Send a mesage that way, talking isn't improving it, it is getting worse. You would think by now nascar would have a clue......but seems they are either 1. ignorant 2. don't have the right input or 3.like to see the 3 wides and the big ones. I'll go with number 3 becuase in their tiny pee brains they think this is actually exciting racing.
Take the damn plates off go to a smaller motor that produces about 400hp non restricted, let them race , let them bump in the corners too , and fix the fact that that damn wing makes them like a glider when they get going backwards!
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Mopardh9
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You can forget about lowering the banking way too expensive.
Right now, NASCAR mandates the rear springs, rear shocks, gear ratio, restrictor plate, wing angle, and who knows what else.
Take away the rear spring req't, and Chad will have 200 pound springs in the back to get the wing out of the air. Take away the plate, we'll have rocket sleds. Take away the rear wing req't, and they'll have them at 0 degrees (and out of the airstream). If the gear ratio is too tall, the top speed becomes aero/power limited. If the gear is too short, the cars will go into wheel hop if the drivers have to get out of the gas at these kinds of speeds on this level of aero, centrifugal, and vertical load.
The best thing to do, would be to give them a +-75 pound window of spring rate, take away the minimum shock, make the minimum wing not so steep but keep the wicker bills, open up the plates by 1/16th, and make the rear gear taller by .1 or .2 points. They'll have more power with better throttle control, less rear down force, but the engine will be under more load at a lower RPM. In return, the CC's will be able to tune the rear shocks and pick a rear spring.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Drop the plate tracks off of the calendar.
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RIMSHAW
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Dega
Bruton Smith offered to buy the place and build a nice race track.
Bruton Smith offered to buy the place and build a nice race track.
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Bruton is probably the last guy I would trust buying a race track. He cares not at all if the racing is good or bad, only cares about making money.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
BS.
Bruton Smith may not be my favorite person, but to say he doesn't care about racing is disingenuous.
Look at what he did with Las Vegas. Texas. Bristol. Kentucky. He sees something that needs to be changed and he changes it. If there's a safety concern, Bruton Smith addresses it and changes it quickly, at all his tracks.
I think Bruton cares more about NASCAR than Brian France does. He may be a shrewd businessman, but he puts safety of the fans and competitors first. If Talladega was an SMI track, he would've torn it down and rebuilt it to make it safer.
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foehammer111
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There's a problem with 'Dega?
Last I heard the only problem was someone keeps putting metal plates in the cars to make them go slower, and bunch up the field. I thought this was supposed to be racing? You know: go as fast as you can.
Last I heard the only problem was someone keeps putting metal plates in the cars to make them go slower, and bunch up the field. I thought this was supposed to be racing? You know: go as fast as you can.
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Mopardh9
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There's a problem with 'Dega?
Last I heard the only problem was someone keeps putting metal plates in the cars to make them go slower, and bunch up the field. I thought this was supposed to be racing? You know: go as fast as you can.
Perfect....finally some one that sees it teh way it should be.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
They need to go in there rip the track, infield, & stands apart. Lower that banking & shape it like a big giant 'D' shaped track. Make it a Fontana or Michigan on steroids. That will make the racing real good! Or, maybe they can change it into another cookie cutter track on steroids. Ya, that will be good! 
Fix the car and leave the track alone.
Fix the car and leave the track alone.
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Mopardh9
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They need to go in there rip the track, infield, & stands apart. Lower that banking & shape it like a big giant 'D' shaped track. Make it a Fontana or Michigan on steroids. That will make the racing real good! Or, maybe they can change it into another cookie cutter track on steroids. Ya, that will be good!
Fix the car and leave the track alone.
No **** , But nascar will screw with the car forever to keep the 3 wide racing!
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chromehorn
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I'm with what most of you are saying. The tracks not the problem it the plates that make them "pack race". It's stupid. All the other tracks the dominent car and driver combination wins. Plate tracks are up for grabs for anyone still on the track.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Make them run the chicane on the backstretch at Daytona and Talladega.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
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The cars have outgrown the track. Something has to give. Racing wasn't meant to be as it is currently at Dega.
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racepix
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Don't do Anything to Dega
Keep the track the way it is, just change the front of the car. Take out the bracing and move the radiator forward so that it crunches up the nose and bust the radiator when it gets used to plow into another car.
You get Denny Hamlin busting a radiator instead of blowing up, he might learn to drive.
It would discourage anyone from bump drafting.
Keep the track the way it is, just change the front of the car. Take out the bracing and move the radiator forward so that it crunches up the nose and bust the radiator when it gets used to plow into another car.
You get Denny Hamlin busting a radiator instead of blowing up, he might learn to drive.
It would discourage anyone from bump drafting.
Dumping fluid in the middle of a 200 mph, 43 car field would not produce desirable results.
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LMAO
wilson89
Team Owner
As I see it there are only two options.
1. Nascar needs to quit being such ****** about the bump drafting, for the last several years they been able to do it and i didnt hear anyone complain but it wasnt until this season people started crying because Edwards car got air born and nearly killed a bunch of spectators. Now we have to sit threw 168 laps of single file racing until the drivers dare get out of line and risk facing punishment.
2. Or the second option, since everyone is so up tight now about the place bring in a bulldozer and tear it down.
Simple enough either enjoy pack racing at high speeds or dont cry when they tare it down because everyones bent out of shape now after 22 years of pack racing.
1. Nascar needs to quit being such ****** about the bump drafting, for the last several years they been able to do it and i didnt hear anyone complain but it wasnt until this season people started crying because Edwards car got air born and nearly killed a bunch of spectators. Now we have to sit threw 168 laps of single file racing until the drivers dare get out of line and risk facing punishment.
2. Or the second option, since everyone is so up tight now about the place bring in a bulldozer and tear it down.
Simple enough either enjoy pack racing at high speeds or dont cry when they tare it down because everyones bent out of shape now after 22 years of pack racing.
Slow the cars down.
Find some way to take about 50mph away. Either through engine or dirty up the cars -- but slow them down.
Find some way to take about 50mph away. Either through engine or dirty up the cars -- but slow them down.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
I guess you didn't watch the race yesterday!!! If they can't bump draft they can only ride the 'dega train around the track.
The rear wing does what it is supposed to do when the cars are going forward, and that is to provide down force. The wing is fixed and when the car turns around backwards it provides lift. Just enough to lift the back of the car and flip it over.
The rear wing is in a fixed position and could easily made to pivot like the roof flaps. Once the car turns around the rear wing would lift and actually put down force on the car when running backwards.
It might not solve the problem at 190 MPH but it couldn't hurt.
The rear wing is in a fixed position and could easily made to pivot like the roof flaps. Once the car turns around the rear wing would lift and actually put down force on the car when running backwards.
It might not solve the problem at 190 MPH but it couldn't hurt.
Agreed. Make it a stressed object. The mounts are hinged at the front, and it simply just presses down on stoppers for downforce. Car goes backwards, it flips forward onto the trunklid.
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
I found the fix and they starting on it now.
to bad it's just wider seats with armrests&cupholders
Talladega announces renovations; new ticket prices: Immediately following the AMP Energy 500, construction crews will descend on Talladega Superspeedway and begin work on a two-phase $13-million grandstand renovation project. More than half of the stadium’s grandstand will be replaced with larger seats and wider aisles in time for the April 25, 2010 Aaron’s 499. The remaining seats will be replaced in time for the Oct. 31, 2010 AMP Energy 500. Accompanying the renovations is a new pricing structure for many Talladega seat locations. Single-day seats in the Gadsden, Lincoln, Anniston and Talladega Towers have been reduced to $95 from $120. Two-day tickets in the Allison Grandstands, one of the best values in all of motorsports, have been further reduced to $49 from $60. Race fans will also find new lower prices on certain infield camping locations. Phase One of the renovation project will span from the Gadsden grandstands in Turn Four through section C of the OV Hill South grandstands in the Tri-oval. New 21-inch seats with armrests and cupholders will replace the current 17-inch seats and seat aisles will also be widened to 48 inches from 36. Grandstand renovations also include the building of new premium level seats and additional ADA seating at the top of various sections. New semi-ambulatory seats will also be spread throughout the stadium to accommodate fans.(TSS PR)(11-1-2009)
to bad it's just wider seats with armrests&cupholders
Talladega announces renovations; new ticket prices: Immediately following the AMP Energy 500, construction crews will descend on Talladega Superspeedway and begin work on a two-phase $13-million grandstand renovation project. More than half of the stadium’s grandstand will be replaced with larger seats and wider aisles in time for the April 25, 2010 Aaron’s 499. The remaining seats will be replaced in time for the Oct. 31, 2010 AMP Energy 500. Accompanying the renovations is a new pricing structure for many Talladega seat locations. Single-day seats in the Gadsden, Lincoln, Anniston and Talladega Towers have been reduced to $95 from $120. Two-day tickets in the Allison Grandstands, one of the best values in all of motorsports, have been further reduced to $49 from $60. Race fans will also find new lower prices on certain infield camping locations. Phase One of the renovation project will span from the Gadsden grandstands in Turn Four through section C of the OV Hill South grandstands in the Tri-oval. New 21-inch seats with armrests and cupholders will replace the current 17-inch seats and seat aisles will also be widened to 48 inches from 36. Grandstand renovations also include the building of new premium level seats and additional ADA seating at the top of various sections. New semi-ambulatory seats will also be spread throughout the stadium to accommodate fans.(TSS PR)(11-1-2009)
The armrests are to keeps the fans from falling out of their seats when they fall asleep.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
If you take the plates off all you have is a really fast Pocono.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
They will never take those plates off with the current engines. NEVER. So if the plates are to be removed, that means they will have to change the size of the engines. But to do that, the teams would have to spend millions of dollars getting a new, smaller engine ready to run a couple of races.
I read where Helton said that the no-bump rule had nothing to do with the cars running single file. Nice try Mike, but it was the reason. For the majority of the race, all the guys wanted to do was reach the end of the race and try to avoid the 'big one'. NASCAR had a big idea that if they would end the bump-drafting, it would end those wild wrecks. Glad to see that it worked so well. We have witnessed some pretty wild wrecks with this new car and we've yet to see any serious injuries. Even after Cousin Carl took his wild ride that most people that surely he would be injured, he hopped out of his car and thinking that all he needed to do to finish was to run across the finish line. Well their new rule ended up putting two cars on their roofs and again, all were not seriously injured. Ryan Newman "I'm sore".
Yep Mike, the new rule had absolutely nothing to do with what happened on Sunday.
I read where Helton said that the no-bump rule had nothing to do with the cars running single file. Nice try Mike, but it was the reason. For the majority of the race, all the guys wanted to do was reach the end of the race and try to avoid the 'big one'. NASCAR had a big idea that if they would end the bump-drafting, it would end those wild wrecks. Glad to see that it worked so well.
We have witnessed some pretty wild wrecks with this new car and we've yet to see any serious injuries. Even after Cousin Carl took his wild ride that most people that surely he would be injured, he hopped out of his car and thinking that all he needed to do to finish was to run across the finish line. Well their new rule ended up putting two cars on their roofs and again, all were not seriously injured. Ryan Newman "I'm sore". Yep Mike, the new rule had absolutely nothing to do with what happened on Sunday.
And, like Carl said, NASCAR won't do anything until someone gets killed (again).
They will never take those plates off with the current engines. NEVER. So if the plates are to be removed, that means they will have to change the size of the engines. But to do that, the teams would have to spend millions of dollars getting a new, smaller engine ready to run a couple of races.
I read where Helton said that the no-bump rule had nothing to do with the cars running single file. Nice try Mike, but it was the reason. For the majority of the race, all the guys wanted to do was reach the end of the race and try to avoid the 'big one'. NASCAR had a big idea that if they would end the bump-drafting, it would end those wild wrecks. Glad to see that it worked so well.
Yep Mike, the new rule had absolutely nothing to do with what happened on Sunday.
But, NASCAR could always hand out crate engines for the plate races. OR, they could just go and say, "plate engine must have a compression ratio of numerically less than 7.5:1", and go from there.
Then it would be a 120 mph freight train snoozefest.