What was Jr. thinking???????

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Handymac

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On the next to the last restart when he got dead in the way of Mark and Carl??? 2 laps down and he sticks his nose right in front of two cars on the lead lap, racing for position? :confused:

Maybe his driving performance this year is how he really drives??? :bsflag:
 
ah, it was no big deal, it just gave mark something else to whine about over the radio and then deny during the interview.
 
esorlxaw said:
ah, it was no big deal, it just gave mark something else to whine about over the radio and then deny during the interview.
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If it was the other way around it would be a big deal for a lot of people.
 
hey, look, not a jr fan at all here. its just that week in and week out, i hear mark martin complain over the radio "get this guy out of my way" and he also seems to be upset about people racing him. I'm not sure where he thinks he is, but he's on a racetrack and that's what happens on a racetrack. When you finish the race in 3rd place and you're pissed off at people behind you, in front of you, and all over the racetrack, I think it shows that you have some issues with competition. Then, after complaining about these people on the radio, he gets out of his car and says he has no problem with anyone. Well respected veteran or no, that doesn't give him the right to feel like everyone on the track should get out of his way.
 
Mark is just mad that all the other Rousch drivers make him look bad, another 1 or 2 year Ford wonder is going to win another championship and neither he or Burton for that matter ever got one.
 
esorlxaw said:
hey, look, not a jr fan at all here. its just that week in and week out, i hear mark martin complain over the radio "get this guy out of my way" and he also seems to be upset about people racing him. I'm not sure where he thinks he is, but he's on a racetrack and that's what happens on a racetrack. When you finish the race in 3rd place and you're pissed off at people behind you, in front of you, and all over the racetrack, I think it shows that you have some issues with competition. Then, after complaining about these people on the radio, he gets out of his car and says he has no problem with anyone. Well respected veteran or no, that doesn't give him the right to feel like everyone on the track should get out of his way.
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Sorry I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone. It was just a general statement.

The problem is Mark is a clean race driver, Now I guess he could be like alot of drivers and bump and run. Mark is too clean for that. He would rather ask them to move than to shove them.
 
If Junior hadn't been as fast as the leaders, I think he would have moved out of the way. When he passed Rusty and left Mark behind, Mark didn't have a leg to stand on complaining about the 8.
 
What was the deal with Mark when he was talking with Rusty or his spotter? Mark said something about he cant stop the idiot/'s behind him or something to that effect.
 
Up until this year Mark never compl;ained. Maybe he is old school and believes in courtesy----but then again so am I.

Many of the younger drivers lack courtesy----makes for good copy but more wrecks.

Yeah, Mark complained---anyone would---his car had aero problems in traffic---I seem to recall several instances where Jr. complained about the same thing---still does not excuse his behavior.

I lost some of the respect he had earned from me.
 
well, i've never been a fan of mark any more than I am of anyone else besides my faves, but last year, with the chase, he really started complaining a lot over the radio (nbc's choice to broadcast it, i know) about other cars, not just lap down cars and whatnot, but other cars racing for position. he basically displayed what I felt was a lack of respect to cars not in the chase, which was my problem with the chase. Some of his comments were "get this guy outta my way, doesn't he know what we're racing for?", things like that. If he really wants it to just be ten cars on the track after 26 races, fine, but he knows it ain't gonna happen, so show respect for others who are out there trying to race for 11th, 20th, 35th, to keep their ride, their sponsor, or support their family.
Complaining about a car behind you? C'mon. Even my Dad was appalled by that. I really think it isn't a respect issue, i just really think he's ready to retire. That's why I think its rude of Roush to ask him to stay. Put someone else in the car, let Mark have his time with his family.
 
Handymac said:
On the next to the last restart when he got dead in the way of Mark and Carl??? 2 laps down and he sticks his nose right in front of two cars on the lead lap, racing for position? :confused:

Maybe his driving performance this year is how he really drives??? :bsflag:
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how can he be in the way when he passed them, and then drove away and then passed the 2nd place car. he was faster. its not like he was out there 100 some laps down 3 seconds slower than the leader. he was only 2 down, and one of the fastest cars on the track at that point in the race
 
I heard that replay of Marks radio transmition about getting Jr out of the way cause he was slowing him down. At the time Jr was already way in front of Rusty and I was wondering how he was slowing Mark down. I also wondered how he had the nerve to B**** about Carl racing him 2 wide into a corner. Carl was in 3rd, Mark 4th trying to take the spot, he's the one that took it 2 wide into the corner, why didn't he (Mark) backout of it if he thought it so dangerous. Then his comment about the "idiot" behind him was way out of line.
Mark may be a clean driver as far as bump and runs go, but his constant whinning and expectations for everyone to pull over and bow down to his is getting pretty old.
 
In my opinion, ANYONE running 32nd on a restart with that few of laps to go, needs to get the hell out of the way.
 
yeah but after his pit crew fixed his car. he had a reason to be in the way cause he was just as fast as the leaders.and if he was only one lap down he would have got back on the lead lap and came back and would of had at least a top 15 finish
 
D.E.I Fan said:
yeah but after his pit crew fixed his car. he had a reason to be in the way cause he was just as fast as the leaders.and if he was only one lap down he would have got back on the lead lap and came back and would of had at least a top 15 finish
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That's the way I saw it. The only car in the track yesterday that was faster than Jr at that point in the race was the guy who won it!! :) Any driver in a fast car owes it to his sponsor, team and fans to drive it as fast as it will go..........and pass any other car on the track that he can. No matter how many laps down that driver may be. Any driver who just rolls over because he's a couple laps down doesn't belong in this sport. Sorry, folks, racing any car professionally is not a gentleman's sport!

Jr slowed Mark down? Guess that's why Mark was losing almost a half second a lap to him..........Jr was in his way!! :rolleyes:

And as for the original question......Jr was thinking if he could pass the leader and a caution fell he would be one lap down and able to gain positions. And if he could pass everyone else a lap down he could get back on the lead lap!! That's what he was thinking.
 
yeah that is totally right
and i really wish he would have got back on the lead lap
 
You Jr fans are freaking hilarious !! First off the idiots in the booth were about five minutes late reporting Martins gripe...after Jr cut him off & killed his momentum.Why do you think the 6 was up his azz??You know how the cars push when behind another car ?? Shouldn't have to be a 2 lap down car on fresher tires.Jr was the best besides the winner at the time?? Please.The problem here is.. no way in hell does jr pass Busch to get a lap back. He's not even in the same ballpark as Kurt or Mark or half of the rest of the field. Watch the replay people. I know the red goggles cloud your vision but he put himself in the way & it was wrong to do.Busch wins the race with or without the 8 playing a fool, but it was still very ignorant for him to be in the way of the leaders while they were fighting for the win.Try & justify it all you want, ain't gonna work.
 
So Mark got his aero push when Jr passed him on the restart. I guess that aero thing really screwed him..........Rusty passed him too. :) But, damn that Jr for passing Mark and causing all those problems for poor Mark. :p Mark was on his way to his first ever Pocono victory!! :rolleyes:
 
DE_Wrangler_2 said:
So Mark got his aero push when Jr passed him on the restart. I guess that aero thing really screwed him..........Rusty passed him too. :) But, damn that Jr for passing Mark and causing all those problems for poor Mark. :p Mark was on his way to his first ever Pocono victory!! :rolleyes:
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Yeah...and Jr. was on his way to another 32nd place finish.
 
Just typical crying from a Roach driver.....and this is why Mark will never be anything but a minor league champ in anything.....no Cup, no big wins, no nothing. Gerber and Pampers should sponsor his car.
 
No jealousy, no crying here.
I just don't see why everybody sticks up for Jr. all of the time. How does he get the "Most popular driver" award all the time. Look at his stats, 2 Busch titles and 15 cup victories. Big deal.
There are other drivers out there who, based on their performance and accomplishments, have a far better reason to be named most popular driver. Not just because of their last name.
Don't get me wrong, I like Jr., I just don't think he's done much on the track. And Mark is not my favorite driver, either. I've been a Rusty Wallace fan since July of '93 when Davey died.
Most of the reason that Jr. is popular is because of his name and the relatively recent growing popularity of the sport. Plus he's younger than a lot of the other drivers and there are newer, younger fans who haven't been watching this sport as long as some of us have. Alot of the fans today have never been at a race and watched guys like Richard Petty, David Pearson, Cale Yarborough, Tim Richmond, guys like that. Some of these band-wagoners never even heard of The Alabama Gang. It also has a lot to do with the media, Jr's.on a lot of commercials. It also has to do with his sponser. And, sure, he seems like a really cool guy. But to put him on a pedestal because of his greatness on the track or his long list of accomplisments is unfounded.
 
Bobby, you left out one. You can be damn sure that DW and Benny will keep you constantly updated on his position. Even if it is 32nd, 2 laps down. How many drivers Sunday never got mentioned even once? Hell, Kahne had problems and ended up near the front and nary a word on how he had done that. IMO, too much of the race is being sacrificed for the Lil'E fans. You could count on him being mentioned between every commercial break even tho he wasn't doing squat.
He's not the only one but he is the one the media pushes down our throats the most.
 
"Just typical crying from a Roach driver.....and this is why Mark will never be anything but a minor league champ in anything.....no Cup, no big wins, no nothing. Gerber and Pampers should sponsor his car.".....FERGY

Won't even comment on this one. Truly the stupidest post ever made by anyone.Good Job !! :moon:

Fact is, Junior had no chance to improve his position that late in the race. If some of yall think that he could pass Busch, catch a caution, pass everyone else a lap down & catch another caution to get on the lead lap, you're just dreaming.He was where he shouldn't have been, plain & simple.
 
I remember a similar situation last year where it was Nemechek who screwed JG out of the possible win. Nemechek had no one within even a lap of him, either side, and yet he stuck his car on the inside on a restart with 12-13 laps to go. Sure the rules said he could but why get in the way of the race's outcome. I see this as a similar situation.
Nemechek was defended last year so I expect to see vociferous support for Lil'E on this. Now if it were Lil'E in Mark's place...
 
like i said i think Jr. had plenty of reasons to do what he did. if he could have become only one lap down he would have came back with a good finish
 
hey had a fast enough car.
since his pit crew chaged one of his rubbers
 
CypressTrout Fact is said:
He was two laps down and as made obvious by mark's crying, faster than him. If, and its a big if since busch had the car to beat, Jr did get around him and then caught another caution, he would have been back on the lead lap. But you probably don't understand the concept of racing to the checkerd flag....guess you would rather quit that continue on.
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Which ones Mark and which ones Jr? :boxing:


CypressTrout you crack me up! :beerbang:
 
No, you already earned that one, ferg. I was being funny with the dei kid, you were being serious. Seriously ignorant that is. semper fi
 
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