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...Jeff Gordon would go on to win the championship without winning a race? Sure, it's a longshot, but he's only 34 points back with 4 races left, so it's still a possibility. Despite what they would say, France and Helton would probably be fuming if this were to happen. We all know their philosophy on the importance of wins.

Considering NASCAR's kneejerk reaction to Kenseth running away with the '03 title with only one win, do you think there would be any changes to the 2014 Chase, such as mandating that a driver has to win at least once to make the Chase, or making wins worth more (say, 5 points instead of 3) at the start of the Chase?
 
Answer.... no . The Jeff Gordon fans would be quiet this time :). Nascar only reacted to fan pressure in '03 . That was ridiculous.
 
no.. nope, that will never happen, Jeff's crew chief Alan has already been instructed by Nascar to sabotage Jeff's chances of winning. reck is in on it also, he's really a Kenseth fan in disguise. Gordon/Kenseth rule? no, that doesn't sound right at all. Nascar will change the chase rules again next year anyway as part of the ongoing 100% effort that Brian and friends are monitoring closely.
 
:XXROFL: @ making drivers have at least one win to make the chase.

They'd be like 5-6 drivers tops.

This year you would have had 9 drivers.

Just dispense with the wild card BS. Make it so the top 12 make it in by just being 11 and 12. The end.
 
I don't think it would make nascar change the point system.

I do think what would happen is the people that said Gordon wasn't even worthy of being in the chase to begin with because he wasn't good enough, would come up with ridiculous excuses as to why he was able to win it.

Also, I don't believe it was kenseth's 03 championship that made nascar decide to implement their 'play-off' system. I know lots of people say that's what made nascar do it, but that's just hard for me to believe. That would mean nascar saw Kenseth run away with the championship in 03, and decided to come up with a new point system and implement it in just two or three months time.
I believe nascar had the chase system in the works long before the end of the 03 season, probably even before that season began.
 
reck said:
:XXROFL: @ making drivers have at least one win to make the chase.

They'd be like 5-6 drivers tops.

This year you would have had 9 drivers.

Just dispense with the wild card BS. Make it so the top 12 make it in by just being 11 and 12. The end.
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there you go again, making sense>>>>>
;)
 
One of the issues with that 2003 season is that Newman won 8 races and finished 6th. Kenseth won only 1...Nemechek also won a single race ;)
 
Nothing would "happen" other than people offering opinions on various tv shows, message boards, social media sites and blogs. Jeff and his fans would be happy while others would complain.
 
ToyYoda said:
...Jeff Gordon would go on to win the championship without winning a race? Sure, it's a longshot, but he's only 34 points back with 4 races left, so it's still a possibility. Despite what they would say, France and Helton would probably be fuming if this were to happen. We all know their philosophy on the importance of wins.

Considering NASCAR's kneejerk reaction to Kenseth running away with the '03 title with only one win, do you think there would be any changes to the 2014 Chase, such as mandating that a driver has to win at least once to make the Chase, or making wins worth more (say, 5 points instead of 3) at the start of the Chase?
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why would anything happen if he won by the rules?
 
Matthew2470 said:
Nothing would "happen" other than people offering opinions on various tv shows, message boards, social media sites and blogs. Jeff and his fans would be happy while others would complain.
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Jeff fans happy? That's just as crazy as the whole idea of him winning the 2013 title, neither will happen.
 
The philosophy of putting more importance on wins is a good one IMO, but overall consistency is still the name of the game, as it should be.

If Jeffy won a championship however incredibly unlikely, France and Helton would likely be happy as a couple of pigs in ****. Just means another banner for Chevy, after all they haven't won one since 2011.
 
reck said:
:XXROFL: @ making drivers have at least one win to make the chase.

They'd be like 5-6 drivers tops.

This year you would have had 9 drivers.
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Ok, so maybe that wasn't a good example :) I was just trying to make the point that there may be a kneejerk reaction similar to what we saw in '03, the last time a champion didn't "win enough". I can totally see my second example happening though, maybe awarding more points for wins at the start of the Chase.
 
I supported Gordon being added to the chase and I still do.
1. But I wouldn't mind requiring a win to make the chase regardless of total points.
2. One chase win required to win the title, regardless of total points.
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
why would anything happen if he won by the rules?
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Everyone knows Jeff won in 1995 and 1997 because of traction control, hence why he could never do a burnout. 1998 because he cheated with new gears that could slip into place faster and in 2001 because Evernham was secretly still giving him tips. What rules?
 
ToyYoda said:
Ok, so maybe that wasn't a good example :) I was just trying to make the point that there may be a kneejerk reaction similar to what we saw in '03, the last time a champion didn't "win enough". I can totally see my second example happening though, maybe awarding more points for wins at the start of the Chase.
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To your original post, what makes you think Gordon won win at least one race in the remaining 4?

I'm looking at Martinsville as his best chance to win one this season. If he wins, the momentum can carry to more wins. ;)
 
reck said:
To your original post, what makes you think Gordon won win at least one race in the remaining 4?
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Never said he couldn't. I was just speculating on if he was to win the championship without winning a race.
 
I'd dance in the streets and generally make myself look like a giant loon. I think twelve years of waiting would do that to you.
 
reck said:
I'm looking at Martinsville as his best chance to win one this season. If he wins, the momentum can carry to more wins. ;)
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I agree, if he's going to win one Martinsville would be the place I would bet on. Those Hendrick cars have been absolutely dominant there over the past few years. Although who knows, Gordon pulled a rabbit out of his hat last year at Homestead, who says it couldn't happen again.
 
Greg said:
Jeff fans happy? That's just as crazy as the whole idea of him winning the 2013 title, neither will happen.
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:confused: You don't think Gordon fans would be happy if he won the championship? Have you gone mental or just trolling?
 
You know.. as long as were sittin here talking about eff Gordon coming back to win the cup... well, I have to bring up Harvick. Imo he has a much better shot at it than Gordon. Harvick has 3 wins on the season and is the only driver this season to finish top 10 ten races in a row. He has shown a hell of a lot more reason to think he'll get it than Gordon has and he's 8 points ahead of Gordon right now. I think if Harvick can come out of Martinsville with a good finish then Gordon doesn't stand a chance. Even if JJ and Matt screw themselves. IMO Harvick is much more likely to get it than Gordon.. and this is coming from a guy who doesn't like Harvick at all, he's like third on my list of drivers I don't like... (JJ..Denny..Harvick..) and I like Gordon.. but realistically.. I don't think he has a shot at it unless he wins this weekend.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
You know.. as long as were sittin here talking about eff Gordon coming back to win the cup... well, I have to bring up Harvick. Imo he has a much better shot at it than Gordon. Harvick has 3 wins on the season and is the only driver this season to finish top 10 ten races in a row. He has shown a hell of a lot more reason to think he'll get it than Gordon has and he's 8 points ahead of Gordon right now. I think if Harvick can come out of Martinsville with a good finish then Gordon doesn't stand a chance. Even if JJ and Matt screw themselves. IMO Harvick is much more likely to get it than Gordon.. and this is coming from a guy who doesn't like Harvick at all, he's like third on my list of drivers I don't like... (JJ..Denny..Harvick..) and I like Gordon.. but realistically.. I don't think he has a shot at it unless he wins this weekend.
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I pretty much agree with what you said there. But just to clarify, the reason Gordon was the topic of discussion was whether or not he's still in contention at 34 points behind the leader, not if he will or will not win the Cup. I agree that he likely won't win the Cup unless the 48 and 20 have some problems. But with 4 races left, and just 34 points behind the leader, Gordon is definitely still in it IMO.
 
gordonite said:
I pretty much agree with what you said there. But just to clarify, the reason Gordon was the topic of discussion was whether or not he's still in contention at 34 points behind the leader, not if he will or will not win the Cup. I agree that he likely won't win the Cup unless the 48 and 20 have some problems. But with 4 races left, and just 34 points behind the leader, Gordon is definitely still in it IMO.
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He's definitely still in it. Im just saying that its more than just JJ and Kenseth he needs to have problems.
 
Disregard my previous post. I thought I was on the "is it over" thread. lol

SlicedBread22 said:
He's definitely still in it. Im just saying that its more than just JJ and Kenseth he needs to have problems.
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I pretty confident in how the 24 team have been performing. I think they'll finish 3rd in the final point standings if none of the chase drivers have any problems in the final 4 races.
 
If Gordon won, they would have to make a movie of it, and put the DVD right next to the U.S. Olympic team that beat the Russians back in 80. Because it will take a miracle this year, the horse shoe isn't big enough.
 
I would be perfectly happy if Jeff won the cup. As long as it isnt Kenseth
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I think if Harvick can come out of Martinsville with a good finish then Gordon doesn't stand a chance.
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This statement is false.

If Harvick finishes anywhere the top 10 (Good finish) and Gordon doesn't win the race but finishes 2nd or 3rd (Likely) he woul dhave gained at least 3 or 4 points on Harvick. (Discounting laps led+most led)

But there are more things at play, not just Harvick. There is Kyle, Jimmie, Matt and Kevin himself.

Too much to ask for. I actually just want Gordon to win me one race.

Going winless sucks.
 
Captain Coyfish said:
No one likes denny me included but really, you have to include two of my favorite drivers? Keep im mind OI have been nice to you this whole time ;)
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Yeah lol that's true.. I only don't like JJ and Harvick bc they are the drivers of the ppl I watch the races with and we have this rivalry thing goin. Nothin personal ;)
 
SlicedBread22 said:
You know.. as long as were sittin here talking about eff Gordon coming back to win the cup... well, I have to bring up Harvick. Imo he has a much better shot at it than Gordon. Harvick has 3 wins on the season and is the only driver this season to finish top 10 ten races in a row. He has shown a hell of a lot more reason to think he'll get it than Gordon has and he's 8 points ahead of Gordon right now. I think if Harvick can come out of Martinsville with a good finish then Gordon doesn't stand a chance. Even if JJ and Matt screw themselves. IMO Harvick is much more likely to get it than Gordon.. and this is coming from a guy who doesn't like Harvick at all, he's like third on my list of drivers I don't like... (JJ..Denny..Harvick..) and I like Gordon.. but realistically.. I don't think he has a shot at it unless he wins this weekend.
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Harvick just may shock the racing world and win M'ville. Then it's on.
 
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