What's the deal with Roush and Sponsership?

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He has the most trouble finding a damn sponsor for anyone of his cars. What's that about?
 
There's much speculation on here that it's because he demands too much money. Whether or not any proof of that exists, I don't know.
 
mike honcho said:
Jack is a azz to work with.
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You know, I have met a couple people who were part of Roush (I think it was the people who put together cars at the shop) and they have told me he is very strict and he treats people very poorly within the organization. Besides those couple of people, I have heard numerous similar rumors. So it wouldnt surprise me if he is the same way with sponsors.
 
Roush Fenway may be a victim of their own creation. RFR was the first major team I remember to perfect the art of "sponsor cobbling". 10-15 years ago, when someone had a sponsor, that sponsor was typically on their car for the entire season. But, somewhere around the mid-2000's, RFR started putting a bunch of partial season sponsorships together. IIRC, in 2007, Biffle alone had 6 different sponsors on his car through the season. Then, sponsors started to realize, why not sponsor a team for 6 races instead of a whole season? That's enough to get our brand on commercials, promotional items, etc. Now sponsor cobbling is the norm, and some teams now have gaps in their sponsorships, including RFR.
 
Hard to believe that he hasn't learned to be nice to sponsors . All teams have had their sponsors troubles in this bad economy , but I think Roush and Childress have done the worst. Jack even enlisted Fenway to help with sponsorships , I don't think it did much good .
 
ToyYoda said:
Roush Fenway may be a victim of their own creation. RFR was the first major team I remember to perfect the art of "sponsor cobbling". 10-15 years ago, when someone had a sponsor, that sponsor was typically on their car for the entire season. But, somewhere around the mid-2000's, RFR started putting a bunch of partial season sponsorships together. IIRC, in 2007, Biffle alone had 6 different sponsors on his car through the season. Then, sponsors started to realize, why not sponsor a team for 6 races instead of a whole season? That's enough to get our brand on commercials, promotional items, etc. Now sponsor cobbling is the norm, and some teams now have gaps in their sponsorships, including RFR.
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That makes the most sense to me. Maybe Roush made himself look bad to sponsors back then through doing that. Unreliable? There are actually a lot of teams that have had sponsor issues over the past couple years. It may just be this recession and sponsors can't afford it? Or just want the best of the best of the best drivers to have their company on their car? I'm pretty much just guessing but it kind of makes sense. Im sure there's a lot more to it though.
 
IMO, the merger hasn't been that great for RFR. Since then, their performance has been down, the sponsorship issues have become worse and Jack doesn't seem to have the handle he once did. Doesn't seem that long ago Jack had sponsorship for 5 cars but NASCAR limited him to 4, now he's stretched to make 3 cars work. I think the thing hurting their performance is the amount of cars and motors they supply to other teams. I can't see them keeping up with R&D supplying the volume they do.
 
TchainT said:
You know, I have met a couple people who were part of Roush (I think it was the people who put together cars at the shop) and they have told me he is very strict and he treats people very poorly within the organization. Besides those couple of people, I have heard numerous similar rumors. So it wouldnt surprise me if he is the same way with sponsors.
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I can totally believe that. Roush has always struck me as kind of a jerk. I know he supplies power to all the Ford teams, but it seems to me that because of that, he tries to control ALL the Ford teams, not just his own. Kinda like when he blasted Trevor Bayne at Talladega a couple years ago for hooking up with Jeff Gordon instead of Matt Kenseth, even though TB had a much better shot at at least a top 5 by staying with Gordon. He dropped back to pick up Kenseth, and fell like a rock. All his anti-Toyota sentiments kind of rub me the wrong way too. Do your thing, let Toyota do their thing, and let that be the end of it.
 
Oh that makes sense. Never hear of Jack being a ass, but I could believe that. And the sponsorship patching makes sense...
 
ToyYoda said:
I can totally believe that. Roush has always struck me as kind of a jerk. I know he supplies power to all the Ford teams, but it seems to me that because of that, he tries to control ALL the Ford teams, not just his own. Kinda like when he blasted Trevor Bayne at Talladega a couple years ago for hooking up with Jeff Gordon instead of Matt Kenseth, even though TB had a much better shot at at least a top 5 by staying with Gordon. He dropped back to pick up Kenseth, and fell like a rock. All his anti-Toyota sentiments kind of rub me the wrong way too. Do your thing, let Toyota do their thing, and let that be the end of it.
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Well Ford cant be too happy with him either:





Now I understand that Pastrana basically just buys the 60 ride, but it can't look good for Roush or Ford when one of the most popular NNS drivers is doing commercials for you competitor. Also it doesn't look good when the owner of your number 1 satellite team is in bed with that same competitor manufacturer. Not sure if Roush could control/stop it, but Ford better.
 
I can see Penske and maybe even Petty becoming the top Ford guys. May end up Penske re opens his engine shop and starts supplying the Ford engines within a few years if Roush keeps having these issues...
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I can see Penske and maybe even Petty becoming the top Ford guys. May end up Penske re opens his engine shop and starts supplying the Ford engines within a few years if Roush keeps having these issues...
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I would love to see that happen...
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I can see Penske and maybe even Petty becoming the top Ford guys. May end up Penske re opens his engine shop and starts supplying the Ford engines within a few years if Roush keeps having these issues...
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I think Penske was getting his motors from Dodge. He made a comment at the party last year and thanked Dodge for giving him motors all year without one failure.
 
I would love to see Penske and JGR build their own engines, but I also realize that it would be very expensive.
 
StandOnIt said:
I think Penske was getting his motors from Dodge. He made a comment at the party last year and thanked Dodge for giving him motors all year without one failure.
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Penske Racing will switch from Dodge to Ford racecars next year, but in an odd twist, the organization could continue to build Dodge engines for other teams.
The biggest question surrounding Penske’s switch is whether it will continue to build its own engines or lease Ford motors from Roush Yates Engines or possibly even partner with the organization.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nascar/...k-roush-roush-fenway-racing-roush-yates-engin
 
Nitro Dude said:
I would love to see Penske and JGR build their own engines, but I also realize that it would be very expensive.
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I have a feeling Roger doesn't care too much about the bottom line. He held on to all those engine builders when he knew he wouldn't need them this year, and I doubt that are breaking even after they shifted a few enginers to RY.
 
mike honcho said:
Penske Racing will switch from Dodge to Ford racecars next year, but in an odd twist, the organization could continue to build Dodge engines for other teams.
The biggest question surrounding Penske’s switch is whether it will continue to build its own engines or lease Ford motors from Roush Yates Engines or possibly even partner with the organization.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nascar/...k-roush-roush-fenway-racing-roush-yates-engin
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Strange, I watched him thank the dodge guy at the banquet. Here is another piece which mentions the Andretti going to Dodge/Nascar rumor, and also Petty . It is a year old though.
Dodge buying Penske's engine program? For those worried about Dodge perhaps folding its tent at the end of 2012, without any teams yet on its 2013 NASCAR roster, the good news is that Chrysler officials, according to company sources, have just ordered a full inventory of Penske's NASCAR engine operation (80-men strong), with firm indications the company will buy Penske's Dodge operation and go into the NASCAR 'customer engine' business itself, just as Toyota does with its Los Angeles-based TRD NASCAR engine building program. Such a move by Chrysler would open the door for someone like Michael Andretti to venture into NASCAR with a new Sprint Cup team (even though Penske himself has warned Andretti that running a NASCAR team requires five times as many people and three times as much money to operate as an Indy-car team). One Dodge question is whether the Richard Petty two-car team, currently fielding Fords, with factory support, would stick with Ford or move to Dodge.(MikeMulhern.net)(7-7-2012)
 
Well it may just have been him thanking dodge for the parts? Also I'm sure if these Roush engine's keep having failing parts.. he may get fed up with it.
 
he just has had one failure so far this year, nothing compared to TRD. might be because it happened to your sacred cow?:)
 
StandOnIt said:
he just has had one failure so far this year, nothing compared to TRD. might be because it happened to your sacred cow?:)
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Well it doesn't help.. but BK had engine issues at the end of Auto Club, also him and Biffle changed engines and started from the rear there..I think that was when Biffle's engine blew on the first lap of practice. I'm pretty sure Ambrose blew an engine at one point too. It's not necessarily only the Penske cars blowing up but any Roush engines blowing up that may lead Penske to make his own. Don't get me wrong I know it's not that often that a Ford engine blows up but Roger knows a business opportunity when he sees it.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Well Ford cant be too happy with him either:





Now I understand that Pastrana basically just buys the 60 ride, but it can't look good for Roush or Ford when one of the most popular NNS drivers is doing commercials for you competitor. Also it doesn't look good when the owner of your number 1 satellite team is in bed with that same competitor manufacturer. Not sure if Roush could control/stop it, but Ford better.
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As far as Petty goes, there was nothing Ford could do about the Mopar association of PG, but they did ask that the Mustang be added to the lineup. If SRT has indeed found a suitor to be the lead Mopar team in '14 as the rumors say, don't be surprised if RPM jumps on the train.
 
I'm surprised I didn't see this quote earlier this week. Kyle Petty said this on Wednesday and I think he makes a good point. I know some people don't like him but at least he speaks his mind even if it gets under the skin of some.

“I’m not surprised that Matt and the 20 team got off to this start. Remember that old saying, the only person who could keep Michael Jordan under 40 points was Dean Smith. The only guy that could keep Matt Kenseth from winning races and championships was Jack Roush.”
 
FLRacingFan said:
I'm surprised I didn't see this quote earlier this week. Kyle Petty said this on Wednesday and I think he makes a good point. I know some people don't like him but at least he speaks his mind even if it gets under the skin of some.

“I’m not surprised that Matt and the 20 team got off to this start. Remember that old saying, the only person who could keep Michael Jordan under 40 points was Dean Smith. The only guy that could keep Matt Kenseth from winning races and championships was Jack Roush.”
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Wow , I wonder where that came from?
 
jack strikes me as a guy who is always in the way. he looks to me like he tries to have too much control instead of leaving alot of the engineering to the experts. I have worked for people like this and didn't like it. RFR lost kenseth because they just couldn't keep the car sponsored. I think we are starting to see the effects of money hit the teams. the other thing about a cobbeled together sponsorship is many times they are sold at the last minute for a steep discount. race weekend gets close might as well put someone on the car and get some money out of it.
 
might have something to do with the drivers personality. I don't see Carl, or Gregs or even lil Ricky cars having sponsorship problems. I haven't seen Kenseth give a decent interview until this year, he might have not been a good fit for Roush either. his replacement Stenhouse is doing very well and Carl is ahead of Matt in the points. Right now there is three Roush cars in the top 20, compared to two Gibbs cars. I can't see what all the poor mouthing is all about. the facts and figures show that right now Roush is having a great year.
 
StandOnIt said:
might have something to do with the drivers personality. I don't see Carl, or Gregs or even lil Ricky cars having sponsorship problems. I haven't seen Kenseth give a decent interview until this year, he might have not been a good fit for Roush either. his replacement Stenhouse is doing very well and Carl is ahead of Matt in the points. Right now there is three Roush cars in the top 20, compared to two Gibbs cars. I can't see what all the poor mouthing is all about. the facts and figures show that right now Roush is having a great year.
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The #17 still has at least four different sponsors (Best Buy, Zest, Fifth Third Bank, NOS) and Edwards has a whole bunch (Kellogg's, Fastenal, UPS, Aflac, Subway, Frosted Flakes, Cheez-It, Geek Squad). Biffle is really the only one that has one full sponsor, and I don't think that has much to do with his, uh, personality. Plus, there's a lot more evidence from past years. Ragan got dumped after 2011 because of sponsorship trouble, Burton was forced out in 2003 after sponsorship went away. Bayne could only run the first few races in the Nationwide Series last year even though he was running well because sponsorship dried up. Stenhouse was a contender all year in 2011 in the Nationwide Series and still ran (and won) races in a blank, white, unsponsored car.

As for the points comparison - if Hamlin weren't injured all three Gibbs drivers would be positioned ahead of the second-best Roush driver.
 
so you think that the only way is to have one sponsor for the whole season? and as far as Hamlin goes. if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt when he jumps. The facts say different 2 Gibbs and three Roush. What is so hard to understand about that anyway. there it is in black and white. I don't read anything about Roush, or see any of his cars without sponsors. Bunch of making a mountain out of a molehill
 
If you haven't seen the trouble Roush has with sponsors, you must not be paying attention very well. He's clearly had a bunch of sponsor issues, which some have already been mentioned, that no other top team seem to have. Well, as frequently anyways.
 
StandOnIt said:
so you think that the only way is to have one sponsor for the whole season? and as far as Hamlin goes. if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt when he jumps. The facts say different 2 Gibbs and three Roush. What is so hard to understand about that anyway. there it is in black and white. I don't read anything about Roush, or see any of his cars without sponsors. Bunch of making a mountain out of a molehill
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The only way to what? I think it definitely says something when you can't get a sponsor to commit to full a season and have to put together a bunch of 4- and 6-race deals.

Hilarious. JGR overall is owning Roush right now. Even without Hamlin it's 4 wins to 1 and if we're setting arbitrary boundaries I'll note that JGR has two drivers in the top nine in points while Roush has only one.
 
what difference does it really make, money is money, top twelve make the chase and roush has three cars in there right now to Gibbs 2. I don't want to confuse you with the facts..believe what you want..Denny will make the chase and all will be well right?
 
StandOnIt said:
might have something to do with the drivers personality. I don't see Carl, or Gregs or even lil Ricky cars having sponsorship problems. I haven't seen Kenseth give a decent interview until this year, he might have not been a good fit for Roush either. his replacement Stenhouse is doing very well and Carl is ahead of Matt in the points. Right now there is three Roush cars in the top 20, compared to two Gibbs cars. I can't see what all the poor mouthing is all about. the facts and figures show that right now Roush is having a great year.
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Quite frankly like many others have said, even with arguably their best driver gone, JGR is trumping Roush big time. As for sponsorship issues...Carl, widely considered to be one of the most marketable drivers, is having a patchwork season in terms of sponsorship, Ricky has a large part of the second half of the season unsponsored, and even Greg, who oddly enough has the most sponsorship out of all of them, still had a few races last year where he had to rely on last minute sponsorship and it will likely be the same this year.
 
StandOnIt said:
what difference does it really make, money is money, top twelve make the chase and roush has three cars in there right now to Gibbs 2. I don't want to confuse you with the facts..believe what you want..Denny will make the chase and all will be well right?
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Sure is, but the patchwork deals also probably bring in less money and don't create the same brand or image (DuPont #24, Lowe's #48, Miller Lite #2).
Stenhouse isn't in the Chase right now. And I'll bet Denny makes the Chase too.
 
Captain Coyfish said:
Quite frankly like many others have said, even with arguably their best driver gone, JGR is trumping Roush big time. As for sponsorship issues...Carl, widely considered to be one of the most marketable drivers, is having a patchwork season in terms of sponsorship, Ricky has a large part of the second half of the season unsponsored, and even Greg, who oddly enough has the most sponsorship out of all of them, still had a few races last year where he had to rely on last minute sponsorship and it will likely be the same this year.
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find me some info on that would ya. I know they had trouble last year, but I haven't found a thing this year. And who says that Kenseth was their best driver anyway? His record doesn't show that..personal opinion I guess? Read the facts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Edwards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Kenseth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Busch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny_Hamlin
 
sloggie said:
It's safe to stop blaming the economy guys. Corporation profits are at record highs. You can blame the lack of fans going to races on the economy, but sponsors are swimming in money.
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Race purses have continued to increase so it would seem that you may be correct.
 
StandOnIt said:
find me some info on that would ya. I know they had trouble last year, but I haven't found a thing this year. And who says that Kenseth was their best driver anyway? His record doesn't show that..personal opinion I guess? Read the facts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Edwards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Kenseth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Busch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny_Hamlin
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By my count the #17 is without a primary sponsor for eight races: http://www.jayski.com/news/teams/story/_/page/17-Roush-Fenway-NASCAR-Team-News

For Edwards, no sponsor has been named for the Homestead race.
 
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