When is illegal illegal?

dpkimmel2001

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Seriously, if what I am reading is true, why is the #48 not facing a penalty today? The word is that #48 was outside of the tolerance for the body being off of the center line of the car. The #5 car was just within the tolerance, #48 outside tolerance. Get ready for the fhit to hit the san!

From Jayski.....

Word circulated Wednesday night that NASCAR had found issues with the #48 Chevy as well as the #5 Chevy during inspection at the Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C. The two Hendrick Motorsports teams currently sit atop the points standings. The buzz within the NASCAR community suggests that the offset on the tail, which helps the rear of the car stick to the ground instead of spinning out, of the #5 Kellogg's Chevy just made the tolerance. NASCAR allows a tolerance of 0.070 of an inch for the body off of the center line of the car. Suffice it to say, JJ's #48 car didn't make it. But by how much? NASCAR claims it was .006 over the tolerance. That's about the thickness of two sheets of copier paper. Others in the garage hint at a charitable disposition on the part of the sanctioning body.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Others in the garage hint at a charitable disposition on the part of the sanctioning body.
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if this is true they have to come down on jj/knaus like they would anybody else. the charges of favoritism would be deafening if they don't.
 
SlowNeasy said:
if this is true they have to come down on jj/knaus like they would anybody else. the charges of favoritism would be deafening if they don't.
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:beerbang:

There's no point in risking the integrity of the sport just so Johnson can have a shot at a 4th consecutive title. It's not the first time Knaus has been suspended either.

Remember, this is JJ we're talking about. Even if they dock him 100 points, which would drop him back to 7th, there's no one that has a better chance to make up those points with 8 races left to go than him.

Besides, I think it would make the Chase even more interesting. :D
 
"#5 Kellogg's Chevy just made the tolerance" Interesting wording. If the #5 just made tolerance that means it was within tolerance doesn't it? The #5 team followed the rules and went right up to the line but didn't cross it. If so and within tolerance why is that newsworthy?

Not defending the 48 but how did it pass the 'eggcrate' or 'spider' in pre race insp if out of tolerance? IIRC the 24 and 48 both failed that test a year or two ago and were hit with heavy penalties. Na$car was very vocal about messing with the COT body dimensions then. Wonder if they are they going to be consistant with penalties now with a car in the chase?
 
UPDATE: Claire B. Lang reported on Sirius Satellite NASCAR Radio Channel 128 "Dialed In" show Thursday night that the #48 and #5 Chevy's teams of Hendrick Motorsports were told they cars were too close to NASCAR tolerances at the NASCAR R&D Center in Concord, NC this week. The cars were taken to the R&D Center after Jimmie Johnson won the Sprint Cup race at Dover in the #48 with Mark Martin finishing 2nd in the #5 Chevy. Lang says she heard the teams were told not to bring the cars back to the track. Lang asked NASCAR if this was true and was told: "The 48 and 5 were brought back to the R&D center. We've been doing this since the inception of the new car as a part of routine post-race inspection. We bring the winner and a random pick back to the R&D center after each event. While both cars passed post race inspection, we informed the 48 and 5 they were extremely close on some of the tolerances."(10-1-2009)
UPDATE Word circulated Wednesday night that NASCAR had found issues with the #48 Chevy as well as the #5 Chevy during inspection at the Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C. The two Hendrick Motorsports teams currently sit atop the points standings. The buzz within the NASCAR community suggests that the offset on the tail, which helps the rear of the car stick to the ground instead of spinning out, of the #5 Kellogg's Chevy just made the tolerance. NASCAR allows a tolerance of 0.070 of an inch for the body off of the center line of the car. Suffice it to say, JJ's #48 car didn't make it. But by how much? NASCAR claims it was .006 over the tolerance. That's about the thickness of two sheets of copier paper. Others in the garage hint at a charitable disposition on the part of the sanctioning body. So how did NASCAR view the situation with the Hendrick cars? "The 48 and 5 were brought back to the (Research and Development Center)," according to a NASCAR statement. "We've been doing this since the inception of the new car as a part of routine post-race inspection. We bring the winner and a random pick back to the R&D Center after each event. While both cars passed postrace inspection, we informed the 48 and 5 they were extremely close on some of the tolerances."(in part from FoxSports)(10-2-2009)
 
Read it again. It said it was within tolerance, but barely. I thought that was the purpose of having tolerances.

Johnson has been penalized before. It was 2 years ago at Sonoma, Gordon got nailed too.

If either of these cars were actually illegal, they should be penalized.
 
Try that again......


Suffice it to say, JJ's #48 car didn't make it. But by how much? NASCAR claims it was .006 over the tolerance. That's about the thickness of two sheets of copier paper.
 
Doesn't matter by how much.If it doesn't make it I say drop the hammer on him.Maybe the same one they used on Carl Long.
 
Rules are there for a reason.How many times have teams NOT been caught bending the rules.
Make 'em walk the plank I say!!!!!!!
 
Well if Knaus gets suspended he will have more time to work on that fuel injection system for NASCAR.:sarcasm::sarcasm:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Try that again......


Suffice it to say, JJ's #48 car didn't make it. But by how much? NASCAR claims it was .006 over the tolerance. That's about the thickness of two sheets of copier paper.
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NASCAR you if you are over with the bodies on the COT, you are illegal and will be hammered. If Johnson's car was over, bring out the hammer.
 
Hammer time!

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From Jayski's

UPDATE2: NASCAR has warned Hendrick Motorsports that the cars of Jimmie Johnson and Mark Martin came very close to failing post-race inspection following their 1-2 finish at Dover last week. The two Chevrolets owned by Hendrick Motorsports came within less than an inch of surpassing the tolerated measurements on the body of their cars. Martin is currently leading the points, and three-time defending series champion Johnson is second in the standings. The crew chiefs for both drivers say they weren't cheating, and in-race damage may have caused the cars to creep toward the maximum allowances. NASCAR is not penalizing either team, but they have been warned.(Associated Press)(10-2-2009)
 
NASCAR just went to the last thing for me to look for on tv and I know of 1 less infield pass that will be bought for this years Chase race here in Texas.Guess it goes to show different rules.
 
I'm sorry but .006 OVER the tolerance means you FAIL.In-race damage didn't work for Carl Long and it shouldn't work for Hendrick.I understand the #5 being close to the tolerance limit and giving a warning but when your OVER the tolerance limit no matter by how much your team should be dealt with accordingly.It still STINKS.
 
Wow they just let em off with a warning incredable. We all know if this was a small team not in the chase they would be paying off a fine the rest of the year and they would take more points away than they could earn in 3 races.
 
mike honcho said:
I'm sorry but .006 OVER the tolerance means you FAIL.In-race damage didn't work for Carl Long and it shouldn't work for Hendrick.I understand the #5 being close to the tolerance limit and giving a warning but when your OVER the tolerance limit no matter by how much your team should be dealt with accordingly.It still STINKS.
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Mark Martin's lost the championship twice because of penalties. So, it's not unprecedented.

But if Jimmie's car was over the limit, he should be docked 100 points and be suspended the same way Carl Long was.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
But if Jimmie's car was over the limit, he should be docked 100 points and be suspended the same way Carl Long was.
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I agree. However, there's conflicting info about if Johnson's car was over the limit or not.

Officially, NASCAR says it wasn't over the limit, but it was very close. Several media outlets are confirming this. However, some are saying that his car was over the limit.

Take your pick on who you believe.
 
Does this mean JJ is on his way to his FOURTH Chumpionship this year?

If so, it's gonna be a long harsh winter.

Where is Jeremy Mayfield when yot need him?

Watching Nascar Competition Director John Darby on SPEED this afternoon spew his rhetoric about "close and acceptable" tolerances was a hoot.If it was anybody else but Hendrick Motorsports,heads would've rolled.
 
Anyone surprised NASCAR didn't bring out the hammer? Whenever there's a favorite driver, whether it's be JJ, Mark Martian, or *coughDalecoughJr.cough*, they'll most likely look away because they don't want to deal with the angry rabid fans. Esp when it comes to *coughJrcough*.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Anyone surprised NASCAR didn't bring out the hammer? Whenever there's a favorite driver, whether it's be JJ, Mark Martian, or *coughDalecoughJr.cough*, they'll most likely look away because they don't want to deal with the angry rabid fans. Esp when it comes to *coughJrcough*.
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Of course they do because those drivers make the series money so they can get away with a slap on the wrist for something that if i guy like Robby Gordon or Paul Menard would of done they would of wanted to make an example out of them.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Anyone surprised NASCAR didn't bring out the hammer? Whenever there's a favorite driver, whether it's be JJ, Mark Martian, or *coughDalecoughJr.cough*, they'll most likely look away because they don't want to deal with the angry rabid fans. Esp when it comes to *coughJrcough*.
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Sorry to burst your hate bubble, but NASCAR has never pulled favorites with Junior.

They docked him 25 points for swearing in Victory Lane at Talladega in 2005, and he missed the Chase because of it.
 
Watching qualifying and when JJ took his laps and missed the pole,Jerry Punch replied''With everything going on with the 48 team this week,isn't it ironic that he would miss the pole by "just a few thousandths"":growl:

Pretty funny!
 
The Hendrick cars have be allowed to do anything they want for years now and Nascar just looks the other way.
 
Reading what was on NASCAR.com, I too find it interesting that this is such a hot topic. I can understand why people might point at Knaus because of his past practices, but as long as they were within tolerances, why the big deal? My guess is to get the reaction of the fans just as it has done. The only thing is why would NASCAR want to get a negative reaction from the fans...or is it NASCAR that is really doing this. I've read where they give warnings like this all the time, but I've never read anything about any of those warnings. Is it because those who were warned are now at the top of the points in the Chase? AND are NASCAR reporters becoming more and more like so many of us old school fans who are growing tired of the way things are going in the sport and will find anything to gripe about? Sometimes I wonder...:confused:
 
buckaroo said:
Reading what was on NASCAR.com, I too find it interesting that this is such a hot topic. I can understand why people might point at Knaus because of his past practices, but as long as they were within tolerances, why the big deal? My guess is to get the reaction of the fans just as it has done. The only thing is why would NASCAR want to get a negative reaction from the fans...or is it NASCAR that is really doing this. I've read where they give warnings like this all the time, but I've never read anything about any of those warnings. Is it because those who were warned are now at the top of the points in the Chase? AND are NASCAR reporters becoming more and more like so many of us old school fans who are growing tired of the way things are going in the sport and will find anything to gripe about? Sometimes I wonder...:confused:
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It was first reported that #48 was .006 OVER tolerances.Now it's being said he wasn't OVER.
 
I don't have much problems with the #5.I understand being close on the tolerances and getting a warning like the #5 was reported to be
 
I would venture to say that there was a very recent deduction out of the HMS Corporate account :D...and an eraser smudge where it used to read ".006".
 
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