Where Would NASCAR Be Today?

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Curious what some of you think....


Where would NASCAR be today if 2003 rules were still in place.

(No chase, no stages, no charters, perhaps COT didn't happen)

Ratings/Attendence wise?

Car count, different tracks on the schedule, etc?

I think ratings would be higher than they are in reality right now. I'm not claiming ratings would be 2003-2007 bubble high but maybe more like they were five years ago. I also think those ratings would be a lot more steady and consistent year-to-year.

Thoughts?
 
It's hard to say... honestly for hypotheticals let's say NASCAR did away with the chase and immediately went back to the old style formats with no stages... I don't think the lost viewers would come running back. Something about turning people away... it's hard to get someone like that to care again.

But if NASCAR stayed the same from 2003 I think the opening post would be correct. You'd still most likely have a core fan base. The mainstream fans would have found something else after 05 to 06... but you should still have a core fan base if a bunch of changes didn't run them off.
 
What would Nascar look like if they had not alienated a bunch of longtime fans and a bunch of newbies? I still think Nascar would be in a period of decline but not to the extent they are now. Nascar not only alienated millions of people it also made many of them openly hostile to the series and you can still see that here to some degree. When you run off many of your customers not only do lose them but they will not involve those in their circle of influence and things die on the vine. Nascar has lost a generation of potential fans and is now working on not reaching the next.
 
Ryan McGee wrote we should get over it already, the NASCAR we knew ain't ever coming back. (Eye Roll).
 
And the fans are coming back either.

Especially not new ones.
 
I'm one that thinks the changes made are for the better. Didn't care much for the original chase because there wasnt alot of difference from the regular season. Once they went to the playoff format I loved it as it put an emphasis on winning which is what racing is all about. I'd still be a fan if the changes had not been made but most appeal to me, and I also feel like NASCAR needed to change the format to make the last race of the season meaningful because before now it wasn't guarantee that it would be. Change happens and most the time is needed and has its effects on fans. Way I see it though as long as they're racing V8s every weekend I'll be watching.
 
I just came back from my session with sister Sonja, and for a small fee I can pass on this valuable information of where Nascar would be. Full of if only's, and woulda, coulda, and shoulda's.
 
It'd be just as bad. People seem to think this is an issue with NASCAR primarily, opposed a result of a bigger sociological problem of modern day commercialism.

Rule changes or no rule changes, it's 2017. The sport would be full of gimmicks and NASCAR drivers playing reality tv characters regardless.

It's just 2017 sports entertainment. Track and field may be the only big sport I can think of that isn't tampered with.
 
jaqua19 said:
It'd be just as bad. People seem to think this is an issue with NASCAR primarily, opposed a result of a bigger sociological problem of modern day commercialism.

Rule changes or no rule changes, it's 2017. The sport would be full of gimmicks and NASCAR drivers playing reality tv characters regardless.

It's just 2017 sports entertainment. Track and field may be the only big sport I can think of that isn't tampered with.
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ah so many have been caught doped up over the years and continue to do so, I can't get into it.
 
jaqua19 said:
It'd be just as bad. People seem to think this is an issue with NASCAR primarily, opposed a result of a bigger sociological problem of modern day commercialism.

Rule changes or no rule changes, it's 2017. The sport would be full of gimmicks and NASCAR drivers playing reality tv characters regardless. People need to accept this, and either find the entertainment for what it is worth, move on from this, and sports entertainment, or continue watching while nostalgic feelings interfere with their emotional perception of the sport.

It's just 2017 sports entertainment. Track and field may be the only big sport I can think of that isn't tampered with.
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StandOnIt said:
ah so many have been caught doped up over the years and continue to do so, I can't get into it.
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They have. But atleast it's a simple enough sport where IFAAC (i believe it is), doesnt interfere with the events. The tampering is on the cheating athletes.

Of course I am bias, as I was a sprinter in high school and college
 
Things would be pretty much the same as it is now. Nascar and big block engines served a purpose in the right era. Today kids will take a bus if it has WiFi. Things change and many people refuse to change with it.
Offer a kid a big block street rod OR unlimited everything on his phone and you know the answer.
 
jaqua19 said:
It'd be just as bad. People seem to think this is an issue with NASCAR primarily, opposed a result of a bigger sociological problem of modern day commercialism.

Rule changes or no rule changes, it's 2017. The sport would be full of gimmicks and NASCAR drivers playing reality tv characters regardless.

It's just 2017 sports entertainment. Track and field may be the only big sport I can think of that isn't tampered with.
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I see the problem as mainly as one of auto racing in general.
 
Team Penske said:
Things would be pretty much the same as it is now. Nascar and big block engines served a purpose in the right era. Today kids will take a bus if it has WiFi. Things change and many people refuse to change with it.
Offer a kid a big block street rod OR unlimited everything on his phone and you know the answer.
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Young car people exist. The also like wifi. They also aren't dumb enough to turn away a classic car if offered over some free phone service. Young people aren't why NASCAR is declining in popularity.
 
DUN24 said:
Young car people exist. The also like wifi. They also aren't dumb enough to turn away a classic car if offered over some free phone service. Young people aren't why NASCAR is declining in popularity.
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Would you like unlimited text and 10 gigs or a 69 RS/SS Camaro? :D
 
Someone once said, "The only thing constant is change." (Heraclitus?, Greek philosopher)


We all are subject to change. Change ticks with the seconds. We not only tolerate it - we thrive on it.

However, NASCAR changed for the wrong reasons...to make more and more money for "NASCAR" ....and one of those changes has been to affect the outcome of races to attract new fans.

And in the woo-ing of new fans they have driven away old fans.

Now, aware that their ship is taking on water, they could not go back even if they wanted to.


I predict NASCAR's only hope lies in more changes; changes at the top of the organization this time, not the bottom.
 
DUN24 said:
Young car people exist. The also like wifi. They also aren't dumb enough to turn away a classic car if offered over some free phone service. Young people aren't why NASCAR is declining in popularity.
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I'm young (25) but I'm not real tech savvy. I've never owned a computer and only got a smart phone a couple years ago and its just a cheap one at that. If kids are not introduced to racing its less likely they'll be fans as they grow older. Thats why I believe NASCAR needs to extend their kids get in free promotion to Cup.
 
If the old system remained in place, with just a tweak to the scoring so that wins became a lot more important, like everyone else said, the core fan would have remained and the increased importance of winning would have possibly counteracted some of the COT's problem.
 
Simple Fan said:
I'm young (25) but I'm not real tech savvy. I've never owned a computer and only got a smart phone a couple years ago and its just a cheap one at that. If kids are not introduced to racing its less likely they'll be fans as they grow older. Thats why I believe NASCAR needs to extend their kids get in free promotion to Cup.
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Pretty much same but a bit older.
 
Nichodemus said:
If the old system remained in place, with just a tweak to the scoring so that wins became a lot more important, like everyone else said, the core fan would have remained and the increased importance of winning would have possibly counteracted some of the COT's problem.
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The Latford system worked beautifully for years and years...... as you mentioned.... maybe just a little tweaking for winners scoring more points...... MAYBE..... maybe it was fine..... It sure as hell seemed to work .........
 
Likely only a little better Payton Manning and Tom Brady really changed America from car based to NFL based.
 
Home address would still be Daytona Beach, even if 2003 rules were still in place.
 
I don't think it'd be much different honestly. NASCAR was going to suffer a decline in interest once the bubble burst. For every fan here who says that "the gimmicks" chased them away, others have different stories. I've met people who left because of Toyota coming in or Jimmie Johnson dominating or any reason you can find. NASCAR's boom of the late 90s - mid 00s was an unsustainable bubble that NASCAR thought would last forever.

Look at broader pop culture, during that time period, there was an increased interest in automotives that just didn't last. The Fast and the Furious is about the only thing from that boom period that has managed to last until today.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
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What would the world be like if not for WW2?

What would America be like if Trump never ran for president?

What if the internet was never invented?

What if they never introduced pythons in the Everglades?

What if they stopped making Twinkies?!!?!!!
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basically this. we cant second guess everything. Looking at the past is only helpful if you dont dwell in it. hindisight is always 20-20
 
DUN24 said:
Young car people exist. The also like wifi. They also aren't dumb enough to turn away a classic car if offered over some free phone service. Young people aren't why NASCAR is declining in popularity.
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I would not say that young people are the problem but it is Nascar's inability to attract them that is.

Simple Fan said:
I'm young (25) but I'm not real tech savvy. I've never owned a computer and only got a smart phone a couple years ago and its just a cheap one at that. If kids are not introduced to racing its less likely they'll be fans as they grow older. Thats why I believe NASCAR needs to extend their kids get in free promotion to Cup.
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I agree as Nascar somehow needs to reach kids and get them interested and groom them to be fans as it is not happening organically.

The Nature Boy said:
I don't think it'd be much different honestly. NASCAR was going to suffer a decline in interest once the bubble burst. For every fan here who says that "the gimmicks" chased them away, others have different stories. I've met people who left because of Toyota coming in or Jimmie Johnson dominating or any reason you can find. NASCAR's boom of the late 90s - mid 00s was an unsustainable bubble that NASCAR thought would last forever.

Look at broader pop culture, during that time period, there was an increased interest in automotives that just didn't last. The Fast and the Furious is about the only thing from that boom period that has managed to last until today.
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I agree that people left for a variety of reasons and I know a lot of the older guard exited because they felt they were no longer wanted or needed. A lot of the newer fans would have stuck around if Dale Jr or Jeff had alternated wins and champs but drifted away when that didn't happen.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I agree as Nascar somehow needs to reach kids and get them interested and groom them to be fans as it is not happening organically.
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That sounds kind of terrible and malevolent. Convert or else type of feeling.

When I was a kid my mother made me go to these church conventions that lasted basically the whole day and I hated it so much.

That didn't make me want to become a pastor or be more religious.

NASCAR has issues of their own and should fix itself before doing outreach. It's pointless to try to get people to like your product on their terms. You ain't getting it that way.
 
Reck said:
That sounds kind of terrible and malevolent. Convert or else type of feeling.

When I was a kid my mother made me go to these church conventions that lasted basically the whole day and I hated it so much.

That didn't make me want to become a pastor or be more religious.

NASCAR has issues of their own and should fix itself before doing outreach. It's pointless to try to get people to like your product on their terms. You ain't getting it that way.
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I know what you are saying and many people have been turned off many things by being forced to participate. I didn't mean to suggest that kids should be forced to become Nascar fans but I did mean that an concerted effort should be made to expose and educate young people so they can learn to appreciate the series. IDK what that would look like but the series desperately needs young fans so every effort needs to be made in order to get them.

While the current product may be lacking to us a newbie is may like it as is but there isn't time for Nascar to fix the product and I don't think anyone knows how to fix it because if they did we would not have all these silly gimmicks.
 
bustedknee said:
Someone once said, "The only thing constant is change." (Heraclitus?, Greek philosopher)


We all are subject to change. Change ticks with the seconds. We not only tolerate it - we thrive on it.

However, NASCAR changed for the wrong reasons...to make more and more money for "NASCAR" ....and one of those changes has been to affect the outcome of races to attract new fans.

And in the woo-ing of new fans they have driven away old fans.

Now, aware that their ship is taking on water, they could not go back even if they wanted to.


I predict NASCAR's only hope lies in more changes; changes at the top of the organization this time, not the bottom.
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Nascar is like politics, they change the faces of the people you see and hear but the backroom gang pulling the strings remain.
 
Johali said:
"They" didn't, hurricane Andrew did.
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I seem to remember a breeding facility was wiped out during Hurricane Andrew which released Burmese Pythons but I also thought that they were present in the Everglades prior to that and the release just accelerated the problem.
 
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