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The old metheod of scoring. I'd like to see where these top ten guys would have been under the old (correct) rules.
Betsy :confused:
 
Betsy said:
The old metheod of scoring. I'd like to see where these top ten guys would have been under the old (correct) rules.
Betsy :confused:
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The points, both old and new systems, are on Jayski.com. look at the cup news page, scroll down a little and its on the left.
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Here it is.

Last year's format


1. Jeff Gordon 5,042
2. Jimmie Johnson -47
3. Dale Earnhardt Jr. -173
4. Kurt Busch -247
5. Tony Stewart -341
6. Mark Martin -445
6. Jamie McMurray -445
8. Matt Kenseth -666
9. Ryan Newman -681
10. Elliott Sadler -727
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Congrats to Jeff Gordon on that 5th Championship. :growl: :growl:

He also led the points each and every week during the C4C segment. :)

Under last year's format Kurt Busch would'nt have even had a theortical chance at the Title. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

There would have been 3 drivers alive to race for the Cup in that last race,instead of 5 drivers,but They would have deserved it and not been alive because of a contrived entertainment based points system. :(
 
Man, I was really rooting for Jr to win the Championship this year!! But, after reading a few posts just since the end of yesterday's race I'm sort of glad he didn't! Some of y'all can't accept Kurt Busch's winning the title......wonder how y'all would be whining if Jr had won!!

Never mind.........I don't want to know!! :D

But, all this BS about the "true" Champion being anyone but Kurt Busch is nothing but true BS.........in it's stinkiest form.
 
DE_Wrangler_2 said:
But, all this BS about the "true" Champion being anyone but Kurt Busch is nothing but true BS.........in it's stinkiest form.
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I'm with you on that one.
 
I'd like to see where these top ten guys would have been under the old (correct) rules.
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well i just wonder what the standings would have been like under the system in 1952 or 1971, just so i know who the real champion would have been...

why can't you just accept the change? and whats wrong with an entertainment system, isn't that why we watch races, to be entertained?
 
One question I have is...does the listing of the old system still only giving 175 points for a win? This year they awarded the winner 180 points, so if they continued to give the winners ... well, you get my point. Jimmy Johnson won 8 times, so that is 40 points more than he would have received last year, etc. So my question again, did they take away those points in figuring the old system?
 
Hey! This years champion is crowned by winning the most points in the last 10 races. So he is simply the last 10 race champion! He is not the complete years champion! And we have the total of the points to prove it.
Thay can appoint him KING of the race drivers for all I care, he still will not have added up enough points to be the whole years champion.
Betsy
 
buckaroo said:
One question I have is...does the listing of the old system still only giving 175 points for a win? This year they awarded the winner 180 points, so if they continued to give the winners ... well, you get my point. Jimmy Johnson won 8 times, so that is 40 points more than he would have received last year, etc. So my question again, did they take away those points in figuring the old system?
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Buck, it ain't going to make one bit of difference to the "haters".........they will find a way to justify their displeasure. I sometimes wonder why they even consider themselves fans. :) A fan is usually an enthusist.......but for some the only enthusiasm I see is directed at hating the sanctioning body, it's new fans, the broadcasting media, every driver but their personal favorite, and any changes at all.

In all probability, that old ("true") points system does not take that additional 5 points into count.......they are using last years scoring. Of course they picked up at race 27, which did include the 5 points. But, if they went back and took all those points away, they might be disappointed!! I ain't gonna to take the time to play that game........I'll just let 'em continue to try to pee up that rope. :D
 
Betsy, Thunder, and Maj, I'm with you guys!!!!!

Championships are "generally" based on Performance, and consistancy.
Not this year, though.

I am not gonna even try to come off as pious, or martyred over this years fiasco.
I won't make any bones about it, I do NOT like it!!!!

And just say, "what if" under the old system it was Jr and not Jeff Gordon with all the top consistancy?????
I said 4 years ago that I felt that 2004 would be Jr's year. Well.........it might have been????????????????

I would be just as upset that Jr didn't win the championshipas I am over Jeff not winning!!!!
 
DE_Wrangler_2 said:
Buck, it ain't going to make one bit of difference to the "haters".........they will find a way to justify their displeasure. I sometimes wonder why they even consider themselves fans. :) A fan is usually an enthusist.......but for some the only enthusiasm I see is directed at hating the sanctioning body, it's new fans, the broadcasting media, every driver but their personal favorite, and any changes at all.

In all probability, that old ("true") points system does not take that additional 5 points into count.......they are using last years scoring. Of course they picked up at race 27, which did include the 5 points. But, if they went back and took all those points away, they might be disappointed!! I ain't gonna to take the time to play that game........I'll just let 'em continue to try to pee up that rope. :D
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:rolleyes: The additional 5 points ARE in those numbers. And, please DE_W you can stop wondering why I consider myself a fan. I am enthusiastic about Nascar, as much or more than you. Do not even start that crap again. I dislike parts of the C4C BS, not all of it. And, for the record, there are some other changes that were not needed, but some that were.
And, I KNOW you can't pee up a rope, therefore I'm not trying. :mad:
 
Up a rope? Is that some kind of a southern thing? Or maybe a country boy thing? Then what do you do with the rope?
B.
 
Betsy said:
Hey! This years champion is crowned by winning the most points in the last 10 races. So he is simply the last 10 race champion! He is not the complete years champion! And we have the total of the points to prove it.
Thay can appoint him KING of the race drivers for all I care, he still will not have added up enough points to be the whole years champion.
Betsy
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This years champ won it by doing the best in the last ten races, but at the same time needed to do well enough to get there. I will say it again, every team out there knew exactly what the point situation was from the git-go, although I still like the old system better I am accepting of the way it is.
After all JR. would have been 3rd instead of 5th. but I ain't complaning, thats just the way it is with the new points system.
 
Jeff Gordon amassed more points than any other driver over 36 races,sounds like the Champ to Me. :beerbang:

Hope the new points system blows up in NASCAR's face next season,almost did this season till Kurt Busch's engine blew. :D
 
A question and observation on DEW2 and his posts

DE_Wrangler_2 said:
Buck, it ain't going to make one bit of difference to the "haters".........they will find a way to justify their displeasure. I sometimes wonder why they even consider themselves fans. :) A fan is usually an enthusist.......but for some the only enthusiasm I see is directed at hating the sanctioning body, it's new fans, the broadcasting media, every driver but their personal favorite, and any changes at all.
In all probability, that old ("true") points system does not take that additional 5 points into count.......they are using last years scoring. Of course they picked up at race 27, which did include the 5 points. But, if they went back and took all those points away, they might be disappointed!! I ain't gonna to take the time to play that game........I'll just let 'em continue to try to pee up that rope. :D
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Why is it whenever anyone disagrees or voices an opinion that differs from DEW2, it means they are not "fans", they are "new fans", "haters", "not decent people" and have even been categorized as "not knowing how to support their coountry" ????

This might be a bit of a surprise for DEW2, but there are other valuable and interesting opinions offered on this forum. By people who are new to the sport, decent people, people who have no hate and people who really do know how to support their country. People who offer an opinion in a kind and meaningful manner. People who respect some elses opinion even if they do not agree with it. People who show no malice towrd others with differing opinions. People who might not be new to the sport but have sincere interest and enthusiasum.
This might be a bit of a surprise, but your opinions are not only "opinions" offered here that are important. They do seem to be "shoot from the hip and take no prisoners" if someone fails to share the same opinions you offer.
Unfortunately, in nearly every post wherein you disagree with someone, there is invariably a note of insult, denigration or demeaning undercurrent that is intended to make others feel inferior.

It would be nice to see you post without "peeing on someone" with caustic comments and demeaning remarks directed toward those who disagree with you.

Since you have pointed out the posters who do not agree with your opinions on the new point system/C4C are "not fans", perhaps you will define what makes a NASCAR fan a "real NASCAR fan" according to the gospel of DEW2.
 
Now there goes Whizzer being a player hater...he must not be a "real NASCAR fan"...just one of those wanna-be hater fans... ;)

Oh, and I bet Whizzer can pee up a rope. That's why his nick is Whizzer :eek:
 
"Since you have pointed out the posters who do not agree with your opinions on the new point system/C4C are "not fans", perhaps you will define what makes a NASCAR fan a "real NASCAR fan" according to the gospel of DEW2." By Whizzer


I'd be interested in hearing that myself out of curiosity.
 
I knew at the end of the season this board was gonna be like this....The real champ crap. What Bull sh1t. Kurt won thats all there is to it. GET OVER IT.
 
Bucky Badger said:
I knew at the end of the season this board was gonna be like this....The real champ crap. What Bull sh1t. Kurt won thats all there is to it. GET OVER IT.
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Then I can only suggest that you don't read it. I may not be HAPPY that Jimmie nor Jeff won the Championship, but I certainly don't begrudge Kurt Busch from winning it. This is the FIRST YEAR under new championship rules, and as always with change, folks look at what could have been as a comparison. I don't like the ENTIRE concept of the C4C, but as most of you have so blatantly stated, it ain't gonna change back to the old system. We get it. Doesn't mean we have to LIKE it. Each and every person that is a member or lurker here has their own personal opinion. We may not always agree with each other, but I certainly wouldn't call someone else's opinion bull**** either.

And, believe me. This is NOT the ONLY board that this is happening on. I can guarantee it. :lurk:
 
Ok look at it thisaway. What do you think Jeffy is doing or thinkin in the privicy of his own domain? He's gotta be as dejected over it and more so than any of us.
B.
 
Betsy, I don't think you should limit your comment to just "Jeffy".
I think there may be several of the guys that are thinking the same kinds of things. Several of the drivers maybe could have made it a wee bit higher in the points standings and that means more $$$$.
Good thought there, but broaden your scope a bit. :)
 
It's the same as NASCAR is doing with the other rules. The cars are being ruled to death. It is so that many times the best car/driver/team does not win! The winner is whoever happens to be in front when the checkers fly. Same for the champion, just who happens to get ahead in the last 10 races. Soon we will be watchin Nascar engines, cars and maybe even gasoline. Hell who knows what they think will make em more money.
Betsy
 
majestyx said:
Then I can only suggest that you don't read it. I may not be HAPPY that Jimmie nor Jeff won the Championship, but I certainly don't begrudge Kurt Busch from winning it. This is the FIRST YEAR under new championship rules, and as always with change, folks look at what could have been as a comparison. I don't like the ENTIRE concept of the C4C, but as most of you have so blatantly stated, it ain't gonna change back to the old system. We get it. Doesn't mean we have to LIKE it. Each and every person that is a member or lurker here has their own personal opinion. We may not always agree with each other, but I certainly wouldn't call someone else's opinion bull**** either.

And, believe me. This is NOT the ONLY board that this is happening on. I can guarantee it. :lurk:
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I will read it, and laugh at posters crying about the "Real Champ." It's not gonna change. If Jeffy or Jimmy would have wone the C4C, and Busch would have won under he old system YOUR tune would change. I know you wouldn't say Busch is the "Real Champ."
 
Somehow I've become a focal point of a disagreement on this thread because I happened to voice my opinion about some (note that word is highlighted.......for a reason) fans of this sport we call NASCAR Nextel Cup racing. Please take a minute to go back and read what I said and then read what some have said I said. Sure, I said I'll just sit and watch them try to pee up a rope.........it was a joke!! We even have a little "rolling eyes" emoticon for that exact same sentiment ( :rolleyes: ).
 
Bucky you are WRONG! I betcha NONE of us would disagree with the real champ! We are not upset with Busch. It is the rule that made him champ that we are upset at.
Betsy
 
Oh...........and for that definition a couple or you wanted so badly:

I'm just a fan of racing period and since NASCAR Cup series is at the present, the premier series in this country, it's what I concentrate on. In the old days, old days for me that is, I had to be satisfied with what I could get on the TV and or radio, and that wasn't much. While it's true that I would love for my favorite to win the title of any series he races, I'm just as tickled when he wins a race. I'm one of those guys who can drop in on a race somewhere where I've never been, know nary a soul who is racing and enjoy the action. We attend our local races each and every week while the season is on and we will miss a Cup race, even at Bristol, just to see our own local boys and girls run.
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He goes by the name of Buckaroo on this board!! :)
 
yep, that says it all............... :beerbang: thanks again Buck....... :beerbang: :beerbang: :beerbang: :beerbang:
 
Bucky Badger said:
I will read it, and laugh at posters crying about the "Real Champ." It's not gonna change. If Jeffy or Jimmy would have wone the C4C, and Busch would have won under he old system YOUR tune would change. I know you wouldn't say Busch is the "Real Champ."
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You are wrong my friend. Kurt Busch is the FIRST NASCAR NEXTEL CUP CHAMPION. He won under the system in place NOW. And IF(one of the largest words in the English dictionary) Jeff (no y) or Jimmie (ie not y) had won under the CURRENT system, then I would be elated. BUT neither of them did, so that's that. Kurt Busch is the champion. On to next year! It was just interesting to see what would have been the outcome under the OLD system. Geesh! :rolleyes:
 
I'm going to say something that a lot of people doesn't have the balls to say...












Kurt Busch is the REAL Nextel Champion. And that, my friend, is coming from a Harvick fan.
 
slick-nick said:
I'm going to say something that a lot of people doesn't have the balls to say...












Kurt Busch is the REAL Nextel Champion. And that, my friend, is coming from a Harvick fan.
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Amen to that. He recovered so many times it was ridiculous. Luck? Yes. But Homestead was also his dogged perseverance.
 
Betsy said:
Ok look at it thisaway. What do you think Jeffy is doing or thinkin in the privicy of his own domain? He's gotta be as dejected over it and more so than any of us.
B.
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Yeah, but at least he has that hot blonde model to wipe the tears from his face. Or, is he now dating a brunette? :booya:
Jimmie, well he's probably too busy planning his wedding to an equally hot chick in the next few weeks to give it much thought. (Damn, I wish I'd get an invite to that bachelor party). :jamming:
Lil'E is probably heating up the old hot tub. I'm sure he's got his hands full... :growl:
Mark, now he may be the one wondering what might have been... :(
 
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