Whos the best driver of the decade?

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whos the best driver of the decade?


I think that even though I dispise him :dual9mm: Jeff Gordon diserves all of the credit he has.
 
You mean from 1993-2003?
I would have to say Dale Sr. and Jeff Gordon whoudl have a close fight for it. But i would go with Dale on that one.
If you ment from 2000-2003, I would have to go with Stewart
 
Originally posted by PettyBenson4510@Apr 18 2003, 10:39 PM
You mean from 1993-2003?
I would have to say Dale Sr. and Jeff Gordon whoudl have a close fight for it. But i would go with Dale on that one.
If you ment from 2000-2003, I would have to go with Stewart
I would have to agree with both your choices on this one PB
 
I would have to say Brett Bodine! :p ...No really, I would have to say Jeff Gordon.
 
Dale sr

Year Starts Wins Top 5 Top 10 Money
1993 30 6 17 21 3,353,789
1994 31 4 20 25 3,300,733
1995 31 5 19 23 3,154,241
1996 31 2 13 17 2,285,926
1997 32 0 7 16 2,151,909
1998 33 1 5 13 2,588,400
1999 34 3 7 21 2,682,089
2000 34 2 13 24 2,686,045


Jeff Gordon

Year Races Wins Top5 Top10 Money Won Poles
1993 30 0 7 11 $765,168 1
1994 31 2 7 14 $1,779,523 1
1995 31 7 17 23 $4,347,343 8
1996 31 10 21 24 $3,428,485 5
1997 32 10 22 23 $6,375,658 1
1998 33 13 26 28 $9,306,584 7
1999 34 7 18 21 $5,121,361 7
2000 34 3 11 22 $2,703,586 3
 
It has been said, figures don't lie but liars figure, or to put it another way, a person can make the numbers look anyway they want with percentages. The problem in trying to make the percentages slant in the favor of anyone doesn't seem to work here and we are assuming the numbers provided are correct.

The total number of races for both drivers, 256.

Earnhardt won 8.9 % of those races.
Gordon won 20.3 % of the same races.

Earnhardt finished in the top five 39 % of the time,
Gordon finished in the top five, 50.3 % of the time.


Earnhardt finsihed in the top ten 44 % of the time,
Gordon had a top ten finish in 64.8 % in the same races.

Total winnings for the ten year time frame has
Earnhardt with a total of $22,203,132.
Gordon with a total of $33,277,708.

Average dollar amout of winnings per race,
Earnhardt with $86,703.98
Gordon with $132,139.48

One other interesting fact, the first year and part of the second year Gordon raced, he was not eligible for the Winners Circle and bonus money until he won his first race, which, had he been eligible, would have made his dollar amount of total winnings higher.

Since age and memory loss go hand in hand, the number of poles won by Earnhardt is not recalled, but the numbers posted by Gordon during that time frame indicate, Jeff won 33 poles, winning the pole once in every 7.7 attempts.

Show these figures to someone who has never been to a NASCAR Winston Cup race, has absolutely no interest in automobile racing and has never heard of either Jeff Gordon or Dale Earnhardt, and ask them the same question.

What do you think thier answer might be??? Earnhardt ?? Or Gordon ??

Not trying to create an argument, but as Jack Webb used to say, "just the facts, Ma'm". :D
 
well grodon made more money.......well because he started when the drivers make more money per race, so we cant go by that one.
 
Lap3,

Look at those figures again. The numbers are for the same 10 year period.

Jeff Gordon is a much more talented driver than any Earnhardt; past or present.
 
I am a big Dale Sr. fan. And will always be. But facts are facts. and looks like Gordy wins the cigar.
 
Originally posted by boB@Apr 19 2003, 02:43 PM
Lap3,

Look at those figures again. The numbers are for the same 10 year period.

Jeff Gordon is a much more talented driver than any Earnhardt; past or present.
and its a good thing Ray and the 24 team had gordon too..or they woulda been nothin.... ;)






I'm sorry, but you just cant compare drivers to other drivers....there are too many other factors....neither jeff nor Dale would be where they are in terms of any stat with out the team behind them.... :rolleyes:
 
The 'best' driver is not always the 'winningest' driver.Gordon hands down on money won or races won.Earnhardt on popularity and cult-following status.

But if you want to know who the 'best' driver skill wise was the answer comes from Batesville ,Arkansas and set a record in BGN,won a truck race,set IROC records,won plenty of WC races and had a better average points finish than any driver during the 90's.

When Mark Martin was at his peak,all else being equal,neither Gordon or Earnhardt could beat him.Drop all three in equal circumstances thru-out the 90's with a no holds barred sprint race and Martin could have ate them either one for breakfast.



The REAL 1990 WC champion.
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Apr 20 2003, 07:14 AM
The 'best' driver is not always the 'winningest' driver.Gordon hands down on money won or races won.Earnhardt on popularity and cult-following status.

But if you want to know who the 'best' driver skill wise was the answer comes from Batesville ,Arkansas and set a record in BGN,won a truck race,set IROC records,won plenty of WC races and had a better average points finish than any driver during the 90's.

When Mark Martin was at his peak,all else being equal,neither Gordon or Earnhardt could beat him.Drop all three in equal circumstances thru-out the 90's with a no holds barred sprint race and Martin could have ate them either one for breakfast.



The REAL 1990 WC champion.
Amen brother, I was just about to chime in on that issue but you said it for me.

Mark has to be the most underated driver..I guess that happens when you dont wreck cars to win or dont cheat on your wife...

Opps did I just say that??
 
...best driver, best team, most fortuitous team...?...do we know the difference?
 
Originally posted by danjay6+Apr 20 2003, 12:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danjay6 @ Apr 20 2003, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--97forever@Apr 20 2003, 07:14 AM
The 'best' driver is not always the 'winningest' driver.Gordon hands down on money won or races won.Earnhardt on popularity and cult-following status.

But if you want to know who the 'best' driver skill wise was the answer comes from Batesville ,Arkansas and set a record in BGN,won a truck race,set IROC records,won plenty of WC races and had a better average points finish than any driver during the 90's.

When Mark Martin was at his peak,all else being equal,neither Gordon or Earnhardt could beat him.Drop all three in equal circumstances thru-out the 90's with a no holds barred sprint race and Martin could have ate them either one for breakfast.



&nbsp; The REAL 1990 WC champion.
Amen brother, I was just about to chime in on that issue but you said it for me.

Mark has to be the most underated driver..I guess that happens when you dont wreck cars to win or dont cheat on your wife...

Opps did I just say that?? [/b][/quote]
Ok, but it don't help if you are a big drunk for most of your career! :p
 
Originally posted by Gordon Fan@Apr 21 2003, 12:37 AM
Ok said:
Was that comment necessary Gordon Fan ???????
Mark had a problem with alcohol, willingly admited his weakness, and continues to hold his head high, asking forgivness from no one other than himself. It appears he has beat his demons.
Not everyone is capable of realizing thier shortcomings by looking them in the eye. Mark Martin has.

Rather than being critical of Mark and his problem with alcohol, people should recognize the way he has dealt with adversity in a responsible way.

Mark is not underrated as a driver. People who understand racing know Mark Martin rates with the best drivers in the history of the sport.
 
Originally posted by Whizzer@Apr 21 2003, 07:21 AM
Ok said:
Was that comment necessary Gordon Fan ???????
NO more necessary than Wrecking cars or cheating on your wife. I could see the wrecking cars part because it actually deals with racing. The cheating on the wife part as well as the drinking part has absolutely nothing to do with the racing.
 
Dale Sr.

Dale got hurt in a wreck in talladega in '96. I dont think he fully recovered untill the '98 season and that hurt his performance. Dale was having a great season in 1999 and 2000 and was back on his way to title contention.
 
That is a tough question. It looks like Gordon if you go by the numbers and I would usually do that. However, this time I would have to say Dale Earnhardt Sr. was still the best driver of the decade.
Maybe I'm influenced by the fact I think he is the greatest of all time. That would make a good topic for all of us to answer.
 
Carlos Sainz is a World Rally Driver.And so is another Martin....Markko.Those guys are REAL drivers.Just getting into the World Rally races,Paul could tell you more,but I love those Ford Focus's and the Subaru!Awesome machines.
 
Until Mark wins a Cup he will always be reguarded as just a reg. driver. IROC isn't all it should be. Only 4 races isn't enouh to make a season, much less a Champ. Because Mark wasn't a champ he shouldn't have even been invited to race in IROC. Most wins in Busch- he raced in Busch way past his time in the series. Dale Jr. and Jeff Burton shouldn't run any more Busch races either. If a driver has more that 5 wins in cup, they shouldn't drive on sat. Sorry to bust your bubble there ford guys.
 
Oh,thats ok Tab.Hardly a 'bubble busted 'here.To say that only a 'champ' should race in IROC?Aside from 4 ASA titles,Martin certainly seems as accomplished in that (IROC) series as your 'champs',doesnt he?And to say that Mark is LESS of a driver than some of the folks who have won the Winston Cup?That is laughable,to put it mildly.
As for your BGN rationale....thats rather arbitrary isnt it?Why 5?Why not 1...or 100 wins to race in that series?Just another attempt to elevate Old Dale up there with Pearson or Allison.More urban legend,'Earnhardt was the best crap.'

And of course,that IS what your post was referencing wasnt it?That I said Mark could have beaten the folk hero.Just the way I believe,nothing more.I still think it is accurate,bubble still in fine shape.The point isnt the number of titles...it's who was the BEST.I still say Mark.Cup or no Cup.

And the only ones who regard Martin as a 'regular' driver might be the minority of fans.
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Apr 27 2003, 10:30 PM
Just another attempt to elevate Old Dale up there with Pearson or Allison.More urban legend,'Earnhardt was the best crap.
legends of the sport and writers from different decades voted Dale 2nd to Pearson(by a point) for all time best driver...so I guess THEY put him right up there..wonder what the conspiracy was there/then?..... ;)






PS..For the record. I think Mark is one of the best to ever drive in Nascar, so don't try giving me that pro-Earnhardt, anti-everyone else crap either... :p
 
Originally posted by paul@Apr 27 2003, 03:56 AM
Carlos Sainz or Ayrton Senna.
If we are gonna go there, why not Michael Schumacher?
 
Originally posted by danjay6@Apr 20 2003, 02:45 PM
Mark has to be the most underated driver..I guess that happens when you dont wreck cars to win or dont cheat on your wife...

Opps did I just say that??
Uh-oh. Now I have to chime in on this. Jeff Gordon has never been known as one that wrecks other drivers. He does use the bump and run a lot but seldom does the other driver even lose control.

Now as to cheating on their wives. You are correct. Dale Sr. did plenty of that. But, that has nothing to do with how he raced.
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Originally posted by paul@Apr 26 2003, 10:56 PM
Carlos Sainz or Ayrton Senna.
Ah, now this is a quandary. Both are legends in their own, but I am going to have to go with Senna. Overall, all things considered at his prime he was the best. Not to take anything away from Sainz. He is winning to this day.
 
I AGREE ABOUT GORDON.... JR. IS GOOD BUT HE HAS NOT BEEN RACING LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT THE OUT COME OF HIS CAREER IS GOING TO BE. HE JUST STARTED TO SHOW SOME REAL RACING SKILLS THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND AS YOU ALL KNOW HE HAS NOT WON THAT BIG CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY YET....

......JEFF GORDON RULES...... :wub:
 
I'll have to say Jeff Gordon also,I saw Him save that #24 car in a race in 1999 season,He lost quite a few positions though,thought to Myself that very few other drivers in the series could have saved that one!
 
If you are going to count minor league wins, the best ever hands down Dick Trickle. :rolleyes:
 
Dont see how you can pick dale sr over jeff through those years. Either you must be a dale sr fan, dislike jeff, or useing other years to influence your dicision. Jeff beat him stats wise through those years hands down.

As for acident as an excuse thats rediculous why dont we also add steve park is competition for driver of the year for the 2000s because he was in a wreck if it werent for that he would have multiple cups/wins now. :p

As for the other question I will go with Carlos.
 
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