Will JJ win 106 Cup races and pass Pearson?

FenderBumper said:
The same question has to be asked of the old timers, when there was less oversight. Judging by how many times Earnhardt came out of his last pitstop running a few miles faster than he had all day, I think the RCR rocket fuel bill was quite high.
Click to expand...

And because of this the governing body started taking a closer look at the cars.

I was told JJ's car failed post race inspection the first time through tech after yesterdays race. The car was allowed to "settle down" so it would pass.
 
Whizzer said:
Not sure what happened with the last effort, but let me try it once more. Merle Haggard tells it best with a song:

Click to expand...


I wish Merle could be 30 again, a one of kind

-Swinging doors
-Lonesome Fugitive
-Mama tried
-Mama's hungry eyes
-Okie from Muskoogee
-Branded man
-Sing me back home
-Working man blues
-Pancho and Lefty
-It's not love (but it's not bad)
 
Smoke14 said:
The real question is how many of JJ's wins were accomplished by undetected cheating... ;)
Click to expand...
oh crap, Petty had an engine one time that was 24 C.I. larger than it was supposed to be. All he got was a fine, they didn't take the win away. It is hard to compare any of the older record holders with how it was 10 years ago, much less today. I know this much, JJ is keeping in top shape, and if he doesn't get banged up too bad in the future, he is going to be around for a while. And Knaus won't be going anywhere soon either. I think the more important stat that they are shooting for is 7 time cup champion or higher. That stat is more important as the years roll on by.
 
Smoke14 said:
And because of this the governing body started taking a closer look at the cars.

I was told JJ's car failed post race inspection the first time through tech after yesterdays race. The car was allowed to "settle down" so it would pass.
Click to expand...

What was odd is the car was too light, so they were allowed to add water, fuel and oil. :confused:

Other teams need to take note and run their cars light to catch JJ. I also can see some rear wheel front to rear shifting in the JGR cars. Oddly, the left rear wheel seems to move foward under acceleration off the corners. It sure looks like they found a way to add the crab walk only on exit so nascar can't detect it.
 
There has always been cry babies, their crying is the only sure thing. They cry a lot, they just have no evidence, and of course thats the mans fault too.
Johnson has simply been the best there is for the last 10 years, the revisionist will never change that.
 
FenderBumper said:
What was odd is the car was too light, so they were allowed to add water, fuel and oil. :confused:

Other teams need to take note and run their cars light to catch JJ. I also can see some rear wheel front to rear shifting in the JGR cars. Oddly, the left rear wheel seems to move foward under acceleration off the corners. It sure looks like they found a way to add the crab walk only on exit so nascar can't detect it.
Click to expand...
If JJ had been allowed to add fluids exclusively the story would be front page news
 
  • Like
Reactions: ozz
Greg said:
If JJ had been allowed to add fluids exclusively the story would be front page news
Click to expand...

I guess it's in the rules for sure, but that means teams can start and finish a race with a car that's more than 80 lbs under weight and a little too high.
 
I have been expecting to see more trick rear ends. If they can't make the holes bigger, they can figure out how to make them bend under acceleration. This might be the week. They all said JJ couldn't be matched going thru the middle of the corner. Kahne's broke before he made a lap, and I didn't see Jimmy hammering it out of the pits either.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Wishful thinking? :p
Click to expand...
Nope, I feel certain that JJs horseshoe is going to permanently dislodge soon, may take a couple of years but I think it will happen long before he can win enough races to catch JG much less Pearson. And no I am not a JJ hater or even a disliker.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I hope not. It could happen but I like to think it won't... it's a tall order that's for sure. Look at Gordon.. he's closer by what 25 wins? Not much older and IMO starting to look like his career may be coming to an end before he even gets close. I think the question should be can Jimmie get to 3rd and beat Gordon? That's MUCH more likely than him eclipsing Gordon by 19+ wins in the next 5 or 6 years to get to Pearson.
Click to expand...
I don't think JJ could eclipse Pearson in 5 or 6 years, it'd probably take at least 10. While passing Pearson may be a long shot, I'd be willing to bet that he eclipses Gordon before it's overwith. Gordon isn't winning at anywhere near the regularity he was earlier in his career, while Jimmie is still racking up multiple wins every year. Since the end of the 2007 season, Jeff Gordon has won 6 races. In that same timespan, Jimmie Johnson has won 30. And he's showing no signs of slowing down.
 
ToyYoda said:
I don't think JJ could eclipse Pearson in 5 or 6 years, it'd probably take at least 10. While passing Pearson may be a long shot, I'd be willing to bet that he eclipses Gordon before it's overwith. Gordon isn't winning at anywhere near the regularity he was earlier in his career, while Jimmie is still racking up multiple wins every year. Since the end of the 2007 season, Jeff Gordon has won 6 races. In that same timespan, Jimmie Johnson has won 30. And he's showing no signs of slowing down.
Click to expand...
Exactly.. I think he'll start to decline within the next 5-6 years just like Gordon has been... he's been better throughout his career so I think it might take longer and he'll most likely beat Gordon, but that'll be in the last few years of his career just like when Jeff just passed DW and Bobby Allison... I think he might get 8 championships :confused::confused::confused: ... But I do not think he'll get to 105 wins.
 
Okay so let's say he has about 5-6 strong years left in him.....5-6 years of races is 180-216 races. He would need to win 43 in that which is about 1/4 (25%) of the races in those years. He has won 63 of 413 starts in his career. Which is about 15%... which for anyone is a great number obviously. He is in the mid to late stages of his career, the lieklyhood of him doing so much better now that he will beat his own winning percentage by nearly 10% is next to impossible. He's good.. but he won't get THAT much better, if anything he'll probably start slowing down those numbers before we even get to 5 years from now. So for u JJ fans that think he'll do it. Just think about the numbers...
 
To me no way JJ passes Pearson. The competition is younger and better financed today, and father time always wins. Your hand eye coronation slows down, your reaction time slows down. The wrecks you missed four years ago now you are in them. when the car gets out from underneath you now your hands can't kept up with the steering. You don't drive down into corner as hard as you did before so those top fives turn into 20th or worse finishes. fitness only goes so far, look at Mark Martian who's more fit then him?
 
I see his team breaking up. maybe not all at once but slowly over time. I know if I were a owner he would be the pick for me anywhere he wanted in my race team. Ray Evernham comes to mind, leaving Jeff Gordon.
 
Johali said:
Nope, I feel certain that JJs horseshoe is going to permanently dislodge soon, may take a couple of years but I think it will happen long before he can win enough races to catch JG much less Pearson. And no I am not a JJ hater or even a disliker.
Click to expand...
And he will accidently flush it.
 
There sure has been a push by various forms of media to get the fans liking this Johnson. Strange phenomenon that such a winning and successful team is so disrespected by the fans. I know personally I haven't seen him take a checkers in years, some sort of not seen didn't happen thing :) turned the channel and watched F1 the other day after lap 20, would update myself every so often to see if he lost lead but nope.

I have this disgusted feeling that 48 crew really has no good competition right now. The rest are loosing, he is not winning thing.
 
I would love to see it but I do not see it happeneing. I think he will probably get up to 75 or 80 wins beifre age catches up, then we will be able to muster out 10 or so more before becoming a relative non factor.
 
I honestly think that the answer to the question hinges on how long Chad Knaus will remain his CC. Jimmie can drive, but Chad literally runs the entire operation, and is definitely responsible for the majority of the success of the 48 team.
 
I'd love to see JJ driving a Ford to see how many races he could win. Pearson won most of his races in a Ford.
 
People assume that since I like Jr. and Rick (We both have been to jail LMAO) that I am all things HMS. WTF??? Are you serious? Gordon, retire already like Darrell should have done. Jimmy along with Ky Busch who I both dislike equally are tremendously talented. I think Jimmie can do anything he wants. I think the relationship with Knaus is fading and wouldn't be shocked to see a change in next 2 years but I bet he can if he wants to.
 
88ForLyfe said:
People assume that since I like Jr. and Rick (We both have been to jail LMAO) that I am all things HMS. WTF??? Are you serious? Gordon, retire already like Darrell should have done. Jimmy along with Ky Busch who I both dislike equally are tremendously talented. I think Jimmie can do anything he wants. I think the relationship with Knaus is fading and wouldn't be shocked to see a change in next 2 years but I bet he can if he wants to.
Click to expand...

Gordon is still competitive, unlike Darrell. The last five years of DW's career were just terrible. Two Top 5s and eight Top 10s in 151 starts and 14 DNQs.
 
What Jimmie will always have going for him is his fitness. Like Mark, he exercises often so I wouldn't be surprised if he were able to be competitive and good for a win or two a year well into his 40s.
 
I'm not sure if age really matters, it depends on how well they keep up physically. Daryl Green at 45 was still the fastest runner in the NFL before he retired, Chris Chelios was still a hard hitter at 45 in the NHL.
 
BSDShoes said:
I'm not sure if age eally matters, it depends on how well they keep up physically. Daryl Green at 45 was still the fastest runner in the NFL before he retired, Chris Chelios was still a hard hitter at 45 in the NHL.
Click to expand...

Two thoughts

Bobby Allison oldest champ at 45
With the exception of Harry Gant, no one is as good statistically after 45.
 
Greg said:
Two thoughts

Bobby Allison oldest champ at 45
With the exception of Harry Gant, no one is as good statistically after 45.
Click to expand...
Dale Earnhardt and Dale Jarrett were still pretty good well into their 40's. I think they were both 43 when they won their last championships, and both were still good for several years after that.
 
If he races for the same length of time that Pearson did, Pearson averaged 5.25 wins over a twenty year period I cut it off at the last year he won a race. Johnson would win 97 races in the same period compared to Pearson's 105. Johnson wins averages 4.84 races a year for the last 13 years. Pearson only averaged around 22 races a year, compared to Johnson with approx. 33 races a year. You really can't compare the two fairly IMO Pearson really went part time at the last, and then some seasons in his prime he ran as many as 61 races in a year. It could be close if JJ keeps his win average going like it is. To have 20 years in he is working on 13 this year, so 7 1/2 more years to go, and Johnson would be 44 ish
 
It also depends on the quality of the competition. Nationwide has had fewer rides for the next crop of drivers with all the Cup guys running that series. How much of Johnson's competition will be aging with him?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom