Will there be the changes for the All Star race next year?

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I'm sure there will be some brainstorming to prevent the winners of segments dropping way back to preserve tires, gas, etc. I wonder why they never thought of that in the first place. Does anyone have any ideas what NASCAR might do next year, or do you think they liked what they saw?
 
buckaroo said:
I'm sure there will be some brainstorming to prevent the winners of segments dropping way back to preserve tires, gas, etc. I wonder why they never thought of that in the first place. Does anyone have any ideas what NASCAR might do next year, or do you think they liked what they saw?
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The whole thing was strange, but I liked it for a non-points race. I think the alternative would have been watching JJ run way out front all night because his car was so dominate in such capable hands.

Did Keselowski have his head up his ass while KK was catching him? He kept running the bottom, even though he was much faster when running the top. Brad ended up doing some borderline blocking. I hate mirror driving, and it sure wasn't necessary.

Did anyone else catch Kurt giving Brad a real hard time after one of those restarts? While Brad was trying to pass, Kurt chopped his front end hard 3 times in one straight, and the TV guys never noticed.
 
buckaroo said:
I'm sure there will be some brainstorming to prevent the winners of segments dropping way back to preserve tires, gas, etc. I wonder why they never thought of that in the first place. Does anyone have any ideas what NASCAR might do next year, or do you think they liked what they saw?
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If history is any indication, they'll be changes, lol. I posted earlier I'd like to see the inversion and elimination come back, but with how aero sensitive these cars are on this track IDK if the inversion would do much. We seen it yesterday in the Showdown and the All Star race you could catch him but as soon as you closed up you'd lose the front of the car. As far as the elimination, it'd improve the racing. It also would eliminate the sandbagging we seen yesterday. Can't blame the guys for it though, it worked and it's pretty damn smart. I want to see these guys go after it for a million bucks. These guys were driving their buts off yesterday, no doubt. You just couldn't see it.
 
mike honcho said:
You can tell that the show stunk.They can't even sell out their HOME TRACK for a ALL-STAR RACE.
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Amazing how all those people just knew "that the show stunk" and stayed away.
It's more a indication of the tough times people are facing.
 
132,000 people showed up for the event. I'm not the best at math but that sounds like a lot of fans.

How many showed up for the last NFL All-Star event? How about MLB or the NBA? NHL?

As far as the race being changed again next year. No doubt it will be. The only thing that I though was real bad about this one was the winner of the first three segments of the Sprint All-Star Challenge laid at the back of the field. That was terrible IMO. They have to have a way of getting these drivers to want to win these segments. Like I said in one of the other All-Star threads, I think they should take the average finishing position for each of those drivers in those four segments. Line them up for the final 10 lap shootout by how they produced overall in those four segments. If that doesn't get them to run up front, I don't know what will.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
132,000 people showed up for the event. I'm not the best at math but that sounds like a lot of fans.

How many showed up for the last NFL All-Star event? How about MLB or the NBA? NHL?

As far as the race being changed again next year. No doubt it will be. The only thing that I though was real bad about this one was the winner of the first three segments of the Sprint All-Star Challenge laid at the back of the field. That was terrible IMO. They have to have a way of getting these drivers to want to win these segments. Like I said in one of the other All-Star threads, I think they should take the average finishing position for each of those drivers in those four segments. Line them up for the final 10 lap shootout by how they produced overall in those four segments. If that doesn't get them to run up front, I don't know what will.
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My thoughts also. The only part that stunk was 3 cars saving their stuff on a ride around ( JJ got 3 ride arounds if he wanted) then blowing the field away in the 10 lapper. Ridiculous. The rest of the race was pretty good.
 
The segment stuff is a gimmick that is quickly getting old. I posted in another thread just run a 60-70 lap race and give the car that leads the most laps an extra $250k. That should be enough incentive to make these guys want to run upfront.
 
Johali said:
My thoughts also. The only part that stunk was 3 cars saving their stuff on a ride around ( JJ got 3 ride arounds if he wanted) then blowing the field away in the 10 lapper. Ridiculous. The rest of the race was pretty good.
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The short 10 lap run ruled out any tire strategy. If it were 25, someone may have burned the segment winners by taking 4.
 
FenderBumper said:
The short 10 lap run ruled out any tire strategy. If it were 25, someone may have burned the segment winners by taking 4.
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Haven't they tried about everything by now ? They will never make this silly event as exciting as a points race. Maybe it is time to try the figure eight .
 
Mopardh9 said:
The segment stuff is a gimmick that is quickly getting old. I posted in another thread just run a 60-70 lap race and give the car that leads the most laps an extra $250k. That should be enough incentive to make these guys want to run upfront.
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This is almost exactly what Robin Miller said on Wind Tunnel tonight!
You wouldn't be he, would ye? lol

BTW, I agree! Make it a single race with one manditory green flag 4-tire stop (cause it's a team event).
The Showdown Race was cool. 25, 30 laps is enough to determine a winner.

So, with let's just say, 30 Laps for the Showdown and 70 laps for the AS Race. That's only 100 total laps but it's enough. If they want to have a competition caution with a 10-minute intermission at the halfway point, that's fine too!

We's all just so damn smart, ain't we???!
 
Here's my dream for the allstar race.

Cup regulars run their race. Then they turn their cars over to Nationwide regulars drivers and crews, and they run the Future Allstar race. The fans in the stands decide which group put on the better show, and that group shares twice the purse the other group shares.
 
My idea for the Allstar Race would be to run the cars at the CMS dirt track.

(come on, you all had to know it was coming)
 
And here's my idea for how to run the race itself.

First segment: 50 laps counterclockwise.
Mandatory pit stop.
Second segment: 50 laps clockwise.
Mandatory pit stop.
Third segment: 40 laps in the infield.
Mandatory pit stop.
Final segment: 10 laps in the parking lot.

And if, after half of any of the segments, there isn't a big crash, NASCAR will have snipers on the rooftops shoot Jimmie Johnson's tires out.

:)
 
Softer tire and/or stop allowing teams to let the splitter seal the front end to the track. That will help fix aero everywhere and make for a better racing at cms.
 
Mopardh9 said:
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If i remeember correctly I don't think this race has ever completely sold out and filled the backstretch like the 600.
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It has been a while but I attended both the all star and the 600 events in the same year several times, the 600 always has more in attendance. In addition they kept adding new seats for a long time. Greater capacity than ever magnifies this problem, along with more events in the current era, we didnt have this many events 20 years ago, and we didnt have as many seats to fill per event.
 
Attendance can't be used as an argument to pull the All Star race out of Charlotte. Where are they going to pull in more than the 132,000 that were there on Saturday? Most venues don't hold nearly that many people.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Attendance can't be used as an argument to pull the All Star race out of Charlotte. Where are they going to pull in more than the 132,000 that were there on Saturday? Most venues don't hold nearly that many people.
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My biggest problem with NASCAR. The racing sucks but the superspeedways bring in 100,000+ fans so they'll keep going back. The only way things will ever change is if fans quit going. And even then, it won't matter. Texas sued to get their second date so, even if they only bring in 10 fans, they're guaranteed two dates a year.

As for Charlotte, three races is two too many.
 
When Texas Motor Speedway had only one race per year, it was a complete sellout. That place used to house over 250K. Since the addition of the second race, neither event sells out. They even took away half of the backstretch grandstands and added an high-end, high-dollar RV area. But there are still close to 200K at the track for CUP races. Not too shabby!
 
Here's a solution. Run the 20 lapper same as was done this year.
The next segment will be up to 80 laps with a manditory pitstop for tires and fuel. Second pit stop is optional. Whoever is grand marshall draws the "ping pong" balls with the last lap number but kept under wraps until given to the flagman who will then give 5 to go anytime after lap 35. Race could be 40 laps or 80. OR 41, 49, 51, 56,63,71 laps. No one knows when it'll end until 5 to go. No one can sandbag hanging around in the rear. Pure ballz out racing. Only green flag laps count. Caution laps don't. No Lucky Dog, lapped cars go to the garage.
 
This is still just and all-star event . A lot of sports can't get star players to attend ,let alone get fans to attend . It is really hard for every sport to make an all-star event interesting . Don't try to overthink it , it is just a fun event that it made for prime time tv. Nascar is doing a pretty good job of dressing up the pig.
 
Marcus Smith, President of Charlotte Motor Speedway has said there will be "tweaks" to the 2013 All-Star race.
 
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