Yes or No?

Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
Then we'll blow them up too.

Does no one remember the founding principles of this country?  Freedom.  Liberty.  Independence.  Adherence to the teachings of God.  These ideals were enough for our forefathers to leave the known world and travel at great peril to the complete unknown.  Think about that for one minute.  Once they got here, they became upset because they were asked to financially support a government that refused to recognize their very existence.  They rebelled.  They fought.  They died.  They won.

Every armed conflict this country has involved itself in since that time has involved freedom.  And Liberty.  And independence.  Sadly, we have gotten away from the adherence to the teachings of God part.  When this country opened its borders to one and all, shining a beacon of liberty to be seen the world over, that offer was made with a price.  The price is that all within our borders will be lovers of liberty, freedom, and independence.  Why else would politically correct imbeciles be allowed to rant this country into the shape it's in now?

13 months ago, the rules changed.  We didn't change them; our liberties were used against us to change them.  Forever.  The brainwashed puppets of a madman were sent to destroy as many of us as could be destroyed.  No regard whatsoever was given to a single soul aboard those aircraft, in those buildings, or anywhere else.  We as a nation cannot fathom the depth of outright hatred that single day symbolizes.  

We as a people cry out for consideration for the citizenry of these Arab nations.  What consideration was our citizenry given?

We as a people defy our leaders and the decisions they make.  What defiance did we see in the streets of Afghanistan on September 11, 2001?

We as a people mourn the deaths of innocents on foreign soil.  What mourning did we see when our innocents were slaughtered?

We as a people are indecisive as to how to best protect our very lives.  Did anyone among us notice any indecisiveness when 2 airplanes veered toward our buildings?  Buildings filled with fathers....mothers....brothers and sisters and children and husbands and wives and ministers and policemen and God alone knows who else?

I'll put this as simply as I know how:  These monsters do not play fair.  They hate everything about you, everything about me.  Our very existence is an afront to them.  They hate us enough to die just so they can kill us.  Their opinion of you would not change if they only knew you.  They hate us as we feed them.  They hate us as we spend millions to aid them.  I don't know if you have ever had anyone spit in your face.  I've never felt the moisture, but my face was spit in 13 months ago.  And I for one will be damned if I forget what that felt like.

We got off lucky, you and I.  We weren't in one of those planes.  We weren't in one of those buildings.  Our families don't sit down to dinner and stare at an empty chair.  Our children don't ask where mommy or daddy is, and when are they coming home.  My parents were spared the torture of burying their son.  If we owe anybody anything, it sure as hell ain't the Iraqi people.  

This being America, you have the right to disagree with me.  You have the right to question.  You have the right to access the internet and publicly voice opposition to the will of your government.  Untold thousands have died to provide you with that liberty....that freedom...that level of independence.  How you use it is your business.  I just exercised my right to free speech.  By all means, exercise yours.  

But if you're smart, you'll think twice before walking into my yard and telling me who I owe what to.  

My allegiance is undying because my appreciation for what this country is is undying.  I do not intend to imply that anyone whose opinion on the matter of attacking Iraq differs fom mine has no allegiance.  Be perfectly clear about that.  But I most certainly owe more consideration to our fighting men and women, to the victims who were butchered to satisfy the bloodlust of a madman, and to those four founding principles than I do to those who rejoice at the slaughter of Americans.  To them I say



See you in Hell.

Then we'll blow them up too.

Yea alot of countres but do you seriously think if that terrorist came out of russia or china we would have done the same thing to them as with afganistan??

Again I agree we should attack iraq but we need to watch how far we seperate ourselfs from the world.

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If we owe anybody anything, it sure as hell ain't the Iraqi people.

rejoice at the slaughter of Americans
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While most middle easterners dont really like america or americans the ones you see on tv are a minority they are radicalist most are not that bad.
 
Originally posted by smack500

While most middle easterners dont really like america or americans the ones you see on tv are a minority they are radicalist most are not that bad.


I don't understand this statement.......
 
most middle easterners dislike america in some way but most wouldn't go protest in the streets ( burining flags shouting slogins etc) or commit a terrorist act. I am sure there are some ( note: some not most) that dont dislike america at all.
 
Theres alot of americans that harrass middle eastern americans, just because they are american and do this does that mean they should be associated with you ( because your an american)???
 
I would support a war with Iroc, and I beleive it needs to be done. I do not expect a cake walk. Alot of Americans will die as well as Irocian citizens. Believe it or not, they are victims too. This is the price we pay.
 
I support the war with Iraq. I would just like to know whats going to happen afterwards. We need to make a plan for government, business and military for Iraq. Of course everyone we've ever got into a war with came out economically better off.
 
This is something we should have done when we had a chance. The 1st time we get a shot i say take him out.

and what happand to the orther middle east guy? (the arab i think. the POL or something like that?)
 
Originally posted by DE Wrangler 2
It's ABSOLUTELY necessary right now!  Not when they have nukes.....before they have nukes.  While we are hiding in our closet, trembling, we give Hussein more time to do us worse.  The time has come (actually come and gone) to suck it up and do what has to be done.  Being "Mr. Nice Guy" or "Mr. Trusting" is not protecting you or me......the Arabs and other countries will just have to fend for themselves if they can't see the urgency (emergency!!).  Wake up.....this world is not as nice and friendly as any of us would like.

If we were to go out tommorow and Bomb the hell out of Iraq whose to say that another Arab country wont just call up one of their terrorists in American and tell them to do "the plan" Whatever it may be. Also, Whos to say that there isnt another Arab country with access to nuclear weapons that is willing to bomb us as well. This is a very hard issue to make a yes or no decision on, and I pray that the Weapons inspectors are doing their jobs to the best of their ability...
 
what should have happened was iraqs government should have been taken care of in the gulf war.
 
Originally posted by smack500
what should have happened was iraqs government should have been taken care of in the gulf war.
With all due respect Smack.DO YOU THINK?;)
 
Originally posted by Awesome_Bill
If we were to go out tommorow and Bomb the hell out of Iraq whose to say that another Arab country wont just call up one of their terrorists in American and tell them to do "the plan"  Whatever it may be.  Also, Whos to say that there isnt another Arab country with access to nuclear weapons that is willing to bomb us as well.  This is a very hard issue to make a yes or no decision on, and I pray that the Weapons inspectors are doing their jobs to the best of their ability...


It's not a simple answer Awesome. I don't think anyone here as indicated it was. We don't have any assurances that "another Arab country" won't call up one of their terrorist cells in this country and go for "the plan". Now my question is: Because of this fear that you (and others) have are we to just cower in our corner and hope and pray that nothing bad happens? Isn't that what terrorism is all about? Make us afraid to do anything.....let them have their way with us?

It is a hard issue.......you take all you know, weigh that against what you don't know and take your best shot. We know a lot, we don't know a lot.........but the option is letting terrorist rule our lives. That's not an acceptable option. So the other option is to do something about it.......sooner rather than later. You don't let your enemy get stronger when he's threatening you.........you take him out while he's weaker. War is not being fair......it's being ruthless and taking every advantage of the other's weakness. Kick him in the nuts every chance you get.

And the inspectors. I'm sure they will do their jobs to the best of their abilities. Problem is that if Hussein is not afraid of being taken out, then their abilities are very limited. It's his country and he rules it........they go nowhere without his consent. What are they going to accomplish with rule? At least if we are prepared to go to war, there just might be hope.......otherwise it's just wasted time for us and won time for Saddam.
 
Well you convinced me DE. I guess sooner or later we are going to have to bomb Iraq and Hussein anyway, and as you said, Sooner better than later.
 
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