"Your children are not safe anywhere, at any time."

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Chief Moose says this was the post script to the wriitten message believed to have been left by the sniper at Saturdays shooting.

Probably raining on folks good mood. Sorry. Much of my attention has been on this person(s) for quite a few days now. Now more so than ever.

Stop him, somehow; anyhow.
 
Yeah, it is horrible stuff. It's hard though right now, he was in Richmond now he's back up in Maryland. It was simple cause he was going down I-95. Now he's back up to where he started, who knows where he'll hit next.
 
HS I am with you also. I have thought alot about this and watched the news to the point now that I am sickened by it. I just hope they catch him before anymore innocent people get killed or hurt by him.

TWF and I have talked about this also. I just hope we live far enough away from the nut we won't have to deal with it on a personal level.
 
If you want to stop him shut down the Media,and put every qualified undercover personel in a 100 mile radius of the zone.The American public will have a enough common sense to lay low.The sniper will not.The Chief Moose is taxed to the hilt,and only playing into this game.This is not racial,but just the facts. ;)
 
Don't know pb. Worth a try, but that is a lot of square miles.

Not even sure the public will low in masses. Maybe.

I am unconvinced that law enforcement even knows what they are looking for. Seems they know so little. Hopefully the fact that there appears to be some type of dialogue is the first step. Maybe the first mistake the sniper has made. Hopefully the task force has more evidence than we know of, and evidence that points in some direction, but I am not confident of that.

It is the snipers game rules, or was until the contact. Now the police can perhaps get a few of their rules in place. Chief Moose is likely at this point mainly a point man for media contact, I'm guessing most of the decisions and strategies are coming from elsewhere.

Have a whole little profile of my own on the sniper. Amateur stuff, but I could write for about two pages on what I think. Useless mostly, but that's kinda how ya feel from here. Useless.
 
I am far from being an expert Srab.But I say lay the people low,And the unknown become obvious.Just an armchair opinion at that though.
 
I agree with you PB. He is feeding off this media hype, if the media lays off it will calm down. Or even better claim the next shooting a copycat, that will get to him just as well.
 
This has become a joke at the expense of the next fatality.There are people qualified who should take it from here.Where is our homeland security?This is taking place at home the last time I looked.Terror in it's true form is not a qualifacation I guess in the eyes of our tax dollors,or those who need the votes.;)
 
You're right there pb. Don't really care a whit what the classic definition of "terrorism" is. This is it.

Not sure the media means a dem thing to this cat Ciggie. Haven't really seen one thing in his actions that plays to them. In fact if the story regarding the tarot card is true, the media was never supposed to hear about it, at the sniper's request.

Law enforcement is using the media currently to communicate with the sniper after a fashion. But it doesn't seem as though he/she/it is requesting any publicity at all.
 
The amercan people are caught in a tornado of fright.This is getting to much TV time.OJ must be getting a second wind in the complete stupity of the American way of taking care of killers.
 
Chief Moose was right to put that out under the current situation. There has been so much speculation and fear out there, that parents should at least know the exact quote. The quote is nothing more than saying what the sniper has been doing to the citizens, which is terrorize. But at least they're admitting there is not a direct threat.

I can honestly see what this looks like to people outside of the area, all hype, and it mostly is, but when it happens in your neck of the woods, it's downright scary.
 
Haven' t even thought of the word "hype" in connection with this HH.

Media coverage is intense, as one would expect. My thoughts are strictly along the lines of a way to identify and nail the sniper.

Will not say I can identify with the threat from where I live now, but try to understand, I been there.
 
The ******** sniper needs to stop this now before he ends up causing martial law. Then I'll be really pissed and have to go up there and find his ass myself so I can kick it.

It's bad enough he's ending innocent people's lives, if he ends up making everyone's lives miserable by making USA go martial law, there won't be any hope left for the country :(
 
I live south of richmond I travel to richmond every day probaly and I go in to ashland regularly also. I have not changed anything I do in my life I didn't after 9/11 I havent now. Your always at risk of dieing how many people go missing every year (they all didn't just disapear), how many car acidents are there every year, or how many deaths are there every year from any type of acident. Your always at risk to die this guy shooting people in my area does not scare me. Not to mension I am not afriad to die whats next is heaven why should I be afriad of that. I do hope they catch this murderer though hes hurting alot of families out there not to mension the pain some of these victoms have to go through before they die.
 
HS, I gotta disagree with ya on this one.

I have maintained all along that this person is no longer getting his kicks from the actual killings themselves.

Imagine with me for a minute. You are this sniper. You most likely live in or near one or more of these towns. You walk the streets. Unnoticed. Every diner, hardware store, gas station or anywhere you go in to, what are people - citizens just like us - talking about? They are talking about you. They are afraid of you. And you get to see this without anyone knowing it IS you. As you walk down the street, you see parents ushering their kids along a little faster than normal. You caused that. All the local network affiliates are airing "man on the street" interviews, and you see people's fear. Talk radio, newspapers, network news, news networks....they're all talking about you.

This supplies you with an incredible "buzz", for lack of a better word. And there's really only one way to keep that feeling going, isn't there. You have to kill someone else. Otherwise, people stop talking.

It's the fear he instills that drives him to do this again and again.

To further support this, look at the excerpt itself. Not what it means to you personally. What it says, and what it implies.

Is there a better way to instill fear than to threaten the lives and safety of our children?

Sadly, I fully expect his activity to increase now. The buzz gets harder and harder to feed. It would not surprise me to see him shoot someone once or twice a day over the next 10-14 days. You see, right now he's winning. He has an entire region living in fear of him. He controls who lives and who dies. The collective attention of a nation is on him.

I hope I'm wrong.
 
Hey TW,You woke up just in time to see me go to bed.Have a good evening buddy.I gotta go cut the grass.:p
 
Ouch, I feel for you dude, I just had to get some mowing done today myself... big ass farkin' acre yard. although I got a big part of it done in almost record time cause I didn't want my brothers to be outside too long for fear of someone snatching them up while I was looking the other way.
 
But the simple, plain fact is: This is terrorism. Homegrown or otherwise. His motives don't factor in much (except as a possible means to catch him)......I say, treat this for what it is. I'm still not convinced this person (persons) has not been trained. An amatuer (even a semi-pro) would be hard pressed to have shot 13 people (10 dead) and not leave a single clue. Homegrown or international.......doesn't matter. Every resource available should be put to use to catch this terrorist(s). He's got a good portion of the country altering their way of life....and that is not good.
 
This guy is sick. First he kills innocent people and then he threatens children. He has our nation's capital tied up right now and it needs to be put to an end. Is this terrorism? Yes.
 
We are only caught in a tornado of fright, as pb said, if we let it.

As much as the higher authorities would like us to believe, this is not terrorism, IMO. Getting us to use this word on any new bad thing that comes along will lead to our eventual loss of certain civil rights.

While I agree 100% that this person should be stopped and that this is one of the more horrible serial killers I think has ever existed, I don't think he needs to be stopped "any way possible". He needs to be stopped by normal police measures, nothing more.

The media has us locked into this so tight.
 
True, Paul. It seems the media tend to exploit situations and hype situations. I think this serves to stir up people and get emotions going. Prudent thought and vigilance when out and about are probably the best. We must go on with our lives. To live in fear is a terrible thing. I know I don't live in the area. If I did, I may feel differently. But, the bottom line is, life must go on. To fail to do so would be a disservice to those who have died just living their lives. IMO.
 
Just to add...a local news station here did a poll asking if the media coverage of the killings are a)hindering the investigation b)helping the investigation or c)too early to tell.

Option b got 98% of the vote.

So what did the newscaster say right after reading the result? "Well be back right after this with more information on the serial terrorist sniper."

I nearly vomited onto the TV.
 
Sensationalism got ya down Paul? How about a healthy dose of turning the TV off. Works for me. I figure that, with 80% of the population glued, I'll be alerted when something breaks. Until there is actually something to report (one way or the other) I can do without all the pontification, speculation, dramatizing, fear mongering, and general garden variety ratings boosting they are utilizing.
 
TWF, yep.

If it weren't damn near impossible for law abiding citizens to arm themselves people like this whacko would think twice before deciding to start picking us off at random in the streets.

Gun control laws do nothing, they target the wrong group...criminals don't obey gun control laws.
 
Originally posted by paul
Gun control laws do nothing, they target the wrong group...criminals don't obey gun control laws.
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You don't say? :)
 
Chief Moose is the MAN!!!!! Watching a press conference now with him on. He has so much patience with these idiotic reporters. One reporter asked him a question to was to the effect of asking him why he always sounded apologetic to the sniper when he was addressing him during a news conference. Chief Moose said that his momma always told him to speak to everyone with respect and he thinks that he was just talking respectfully to him. The reporter said something else and the Chief just said, "I answered your question, and that's it."

I guess you had to see, but I thought it was classic. Chief Moose has done a hell of a job.
 
Yes he is, but I don't think people realize that this guy wants media attention. Moose should do the smart thing, and say the next shooting is a copycat.
 
I dont think people having a gun would help anything here unless people are carying a rifle on them this guy doesn't walk up to people and shoot them 3 feet in front of them. most of his victims do not see him actually I would be surprised if any of his victims saw him
 
A defenseless society is one that will be turned into a victim.
 
That's right. If he wasn't able to operate under the assumption that he won't be stopped by civilians then it might make it a little harder for people like this to just do whatever they want.

If we, as a society, we armed and not blocked at every avenue to arm ourselves as per the Second Amendment we wouldn't be the proverbial fish in a barrel.
 
I still say we should put our special forces and marine snipers on extensive training in the woods in the area to find him. Make sure the media doesn't know about it. Make him the hunted.
 
Coonhound, I'm afraid that would be martial law. I don't think that the military policing us is a very good thing. :(
 
Originally posted by coonhound
I still say we should put our special forces and marine snipers on extensive training in the woods in the area to find him.  Make sure the media doesn't know about it.  Make him the hunted.
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Are you kidding me?!!How can people actually want that?!?!
 
My only premise that stating that this one is not overly interested in the media is his actions aside from the shootings.

At least to date, he has made absolutely no contact with any member of the media. Either written or verbal. This is not totally unique, but certainly differs from from others such as Son of Sam, Zodiac, Unabomber, etc. He is sticking strictly to law enforcement channels of communication.

Add to that reports that all of his written communications to law enforcement have been reported to contain a message not to divulge details to the media.

The media coverage being received is a result of the actions and would occurr whether welcomed or not.


fergy - I did see the press conference. The "reporter" who asked the question you refer to seemingly has no clue. I was even more amazed at how many questions were repeated with only slight variations regarding the immigrant status of potential witnesses or tipsters. Obviously the Chief has said all he could possibly could. I do wish some statement had been available at that time from the INS. A statement from them did come very soon after. Reckon it was a timing thing. The medias handling on the point of issuing some type of "heightened peril" notice was little better.

Chief Moose demonstrated remarkable patience throughout the conference IMHO.
 
Along with TN about how he could just be walking the streets unnoticed. Who says he didn't just dump the white van. He killed somebody else and stole their car and is driving it. All the police are looking for a white van when he could be crusing the streets in a Honda Accord. He's not stupid. (well he really is but you know what I mean)
 
That would probably be a bit far, I just want them to catch this guy. If he gets away and kills many more, copycats will spring up all over the country. I just look at history and they usually never catch these guys. This guy isn't stupid, or else he already would have been caught.
 
yea paul I bet if america started shooting people that were prime suspects in an investigation instead of having a trial and conviction would stop alot of crimes too but does that mean we should do it

Im sorry but I dont see how everyone haveing a gun could be a good thing, look at some of these road rage acidents think about how it would have been diffrent if some of these people had a gun at the time.
 
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