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Ok, he goofed and was penalized. But Harvick was right behind him and followed him across the line yet wasn't penalized. Why not?
Did I hear correctly that nascrap acknowledged Harvick's infraction but it was at their discretion to issue a penalty?
 
It was spelled out in the driver’s meeting that the rule applied to cars on the front row only.

Whether or not that is “fair” or doesn’t treat everyone the same way is irrelevant.
 
Bobw said:
Ok, he goofed and was penalized. But Harvick was right behind him and followed him across the line yet wasn't penalized. Why not?
Did I hear correctly that nascrap acknowledged Harvick's infraction but it was at their discretion to issue a penalty?
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it should be a rule
that truex starts back on 1.5m tracks
just to keep the yawns to a minimum.
 
aunty dive said:
It was spelled out in the driver’s meeting that the rule applied to cars on the front row only.

Whether or not that is “fair” or doesn’t treat everyone the same way is irrelevant.
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I agree that all drivers and crew chiefs should have known the rule, but it's still a stupid way to enforce the rule. It would be far easier to make it for EVERYONE. The NASCAR rule book is starting to look like the IRS tax code.
 
Formerjackman said:
I agree that all drivers and crew chiefs should have known the rule, but it's still a stupid way to enforce the rule. It would be far easier to make it for EVERYONE. The NASCAR rule book is starting to look like the IRS tax code.
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So many of Nascar's policies and rules are absurd and I file this incident under that category. They strain gnats and swallow camels.
 
Formerjackman said:
I agree that all drivers and crew chiefs should have known the rule, but it's still a stupid way to enforce the rule. It would be far easier to make it for EVERYONE. The NASCAR rule book is starting to look like the IRS tax code.
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Skoalbandit33 said:
So many of Nascar's policies and rules are absurd and I file this incident under that category. They strain gnats and swallow camels.
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There are almost always 2 or 3 procedural differences from race to race to accomodate track configuration and conditions. Those things are always covered in the driver's meetings.

Whether or not something about the procedure is stupid or absurd is a matter of conjecture for observers. They are useful in that they provide even more reasons for the endless kvetching that goes on here and elsewhere.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
So many of Nascar's policies and rules are absurd and I file this incident under that category. They strain gnats and swallow camels.
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You can call them absurd if you want, but if you dont break the rule we arent talking about this. If they claim they didnt know the rule, then someone needs to pay attention during the drivers meeting. The Driver, Crew Chief and the Spotter all attend so blame them, not NASCAR.
 
aunty dive said:
There are almost always 2 or 3 procedural differences from race to race to accomodate track configuration and conditions. Those things are always covered in the driver's meetings.

Whether or not something about the procedure is stupid or absurd is a matter of conjecture for observers. They are useful in that they provide even more reasons for the endless kvetching that goes on here and elsewhere.
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For sure as Nascar provides enough material on its own to keep a forum going.
 
I don't have ANY issue with the rule, other than it is not across the board. To me, NASCAR just opens themselves up needlessly to second guessing and confusion by making muddy rules, and then not really talking about the nuances of the rule until it pops up in the middle of the race. It's the same deal as the Jimmie Johnson lug nut deal. There were probably 2-3 other ways to write that rule that would have been more consistent and more logical than the one NASCAR chose.
 
Spotter22 said:
You can call them absurd if you want, but if you dont break the rule we arent talking about this. If they claim they didnt know the rule, then someone needs to pay attention during the drivers meeting. The Driver, Crew Chief and the Spotter all attend so blame them, not NASCAR.
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I am not making any excuses as it doesn't matter how crazy some of Nascar's rules are you have to follow them. Win a race in a cheated up car and you keep the victory and leave the pits with a lug nut loose and be prepared for hell's fury. Them's the rules.
 
Formerjackman said:
I don't have ANY issue with the rule, other than it is not across the board. To me, NASCAR just opens themselves up needlessly to second guessing and confusion by making muddy rules, and then not really talking about the nuances of the rule until it pops up in the middle of the race. It's the same deal as the Jimmie Johnson lug nut deal. There were probably 2-3 other ways to write that rule that would have been more consistent and more logical than the one NASCAR chose.
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JMO but the people who make up most of Nascar's rules come from a heavily concentrated gene pool.
 
Formerjackman said:
I don't have ANY issue with the rule, other than it is not across the board.
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Very poorly written. Open to misinterpretation. Confusing and creates second guessing opportunity.

An application to NASCAR for a position in the rules-writing department would be well received.
 
aunty dive said:
Very poorly written. Open to misinterpretation. Confusing and creates second guessing opportunity.

An application to NASCAR for a position in the rules-writing department would be well received.
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I'm thinking they should have pinned a note on Truex
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I am not making any excuses as it doesn't matter how crazy some of Nascar's rules are you have to follow them. Win a race in a cheated up car and you keep the victory and leave the pits with a lug nut loose and be prepared for hell's fury. Them's the rules.
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You can put the blame for the lugnut rule where it belongs, Tony Stewart, as for the winner cheating and keeping the win, its as old as the sport, why so surprised?
 
Spotter22 said:
You can put the blame for the lugnut rule where it belongs, Tony Stewart, as for the winner cheating and keeping the win, its as old as the sport, why so surprised?
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That should be one of the myriad of reasons for Nascar losing popularity
 
Don't want them to go below the line? Put up a wall, just a foot high would do it. Or spike strips.
Even better if a driver goes below the line the drivers wife, girlfriend or Mom has to watch Brain dance to ''I'm too sexy for my shirt" in a speedo. :)
 
Spotter22 said:
You can put the blame for the lugnut rule where it belongs, Tony Stewart, as for the winner cheating and keeping the win, its as old as the sport, why so surprised?
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A classic case of NASCAR over-reacting. Tony was right, a penalty is in order for that infraction. The problem is the penalty goes WAY overboard. It seems their only answers to anything is to be absurdly lenient, or absurdly harsh.
 
Spotter22 said:
You can put the blame for the lugnut rule where it belongs, Tony Stewart, as for the winner cheating and keeping the win, its as old as the sport, why so surprised?
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The problem with Nascar is that they don't think things through and that often leads to them having their pants around their ankles. If Nascar was in charge of the NFL they would give a 20 yard penalty for being offside and a 5 yard penalty for bumping an official.
 
Spotter22 said:
You can put the blame for the lugnut rule where it belongs, Tony Stewart, as for the winner cheating and keeping the win, its as old as the sport, why so surprised?
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It put a part end (pit guns next) to the ridiculous things pit crews were doing. 200 MPH with three lugs soon would be two with a loose third the way it was going. All it would take was a tire climbing the fence in the crowd after bouncing of a car and killing somebody.
 
Bobw said:
Don't want them to go below the line? Put up a wall, just a foot high would do it. Or spike strips.
Even better if a driver goes below the line the drivers wife, girlfriend or Mom has to watch Brain dance to ''I'm too sexy for my shirt" in a speedo. :)
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If Danica goes below the line, does Ricky have to watch that?
 
StandOnIt said:
It put a part end (pit guns next) to the ridiculous things pit crews were doing. 200 MPH with three lugs soon would be two with a loose third the way it was going. All it would take was a tire climbing the fence in the crowd after bouncing of a car and killing somebody.
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The Crews arent going to nail 3 at Talladega or Daytona or really any other high speed track. They dont want to crash and hurt their driver anymore then seeing a loose tire on the track. I've been around this sport for a long time and I cant recall but just a couple of wheels coming off due to loose lugs.
 
Formerjackman said:
A classic case of NASCAR over-reacting. Tony was right, a penalty is in order for that infraction. The problem is the penalty goes WAY overboard. It seems their only answers to anything is to be absurdly lenient, or absurdly harsh.
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Agreed. Some form of the lug nut rule existed before Tony said anything. It was dropped temporarily when the new pit box monitoring system couldn't visually see both sides of the car. Tony only pointed out the potential safety hazards. NASCAR could have reinstated the previous rule with the previous penalties.
 
Formerjackman said:
A classic case of NASCAR over-reacting. Tony was right, a penalty is in order for that infraction. The problem is the penalty goes WAY overboard. It seems their only answers to anything is to be absurdly lenient, or absurdly harsh.
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Tony wasnt right, Tony was tired of getting his ass beat on pit road.
 
Spotter22 said:
The Crews arent going to nail 3 at Talladega or Daytona or really any other high speed track. They dont want to crash and hurt their driver anymore then seeing a loose tire on the track. I've been around this sport for a long time and I cant recall but just a couple of wheels coming off due to loose lugs.
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B.S. with a green white checker situation it would happen.
 
Spotter22 said:
The Crews arent going to nail 3 at Talladega or Daytona or really any other high speed track. They dont want to crash and hurt their driver anymore then seeing a loose tire on the track. I've been around this sport for a long time and I cant recall but just a couple of wheels coming off due to loose lugs.
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might have been before they went to the goons in the trailer they had officials watching all four sides ya think?
 
StandOnIt said:
B.S. with a green white checker situation it would happen.
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lol. No, no it wouldnt and you cant even give me an example of a tire coming off non crash related under speed, not KB leaving pit road on a bad pit call..
 
Funny, I seem to recall several broken wheels over the years. I can't say that they were due to loose nuts, but I remember at least one had the holes rounded out.
 
StandOnIt said:
Tony probably didn't like running around with thee lugs on his car, as long as we know what Tony motives were. :confused:
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Tony was getting "smoked" week in and out on pit road and started complaining about somebody getting hurt or killed in the stands and he forced NASCAR to react. NASCAR let the teams police themselves and the teams couldnt handle that without somebody crying. Oh and I like Tony, but what I'm telling you is fact.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Funny, I seem to recall several broken wheels over the years. I can't say that they were due to loose nuts, but I remember at least one had the holes rounded out.
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Center sections may break due to defect or a crash, loose wheels are a different story, they feel that immediately and hit pit road.
 
All pretty much true, but if a team knows they can go two laps with only three tight, somebody would likely do it. How many loose wheel have we seen just since the playoffs started? Pretty soon you've wiped out the margin for error. The wheel has five lug nuts, and I have no issue with making the teams have five on tight at the end of the race, but the penalty should be reasonable.
 
Regardless of its origins or the teams' intentions, can we all agree that the current penalty is too harsh? Not that NASCAR cares what we agree on...
 
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