The penalties came hot and heavy

StandOnIt said:
He really isn't, Suarez has one less DNF and he is in 20th compared to Jones in 13th
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On Sunday Suarez is usually outraces Jones, but that's most of the time I see it. They have the same amount of top 10s and top 5s this year. They are neck to neck statistically.

I must be wearing sunglasses and not know it during races.:p
 
Kiante said:
On Sunday Suarez is usually outraces Jones, but that's most of the time I see it. They have the same amount of top 10s and top 5s this year. They are neck to neck statistically.

I must be wearing sunglasses and not know it during races.:p
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Jones is 39 points ahead, led 75 to 6 laps, pretty good sunglasses :D
 
More false information and sinister innuendo has been posted to the internet concerning Daniel Suarez than any other current Nascar driver, I believe. You'd have to go back to stories about Jeff Gordon's sexual orientation to come close, IMO. Much of this drivel originates from racism and xenophobia, and then other people believe it and repeat it and it just spirals. SMH.

The Suarez family has no wealth, no family connections or friends with wealth, owns no conglomerates, etc, etc. What Daniel Suarez has going for him is talent and determination and willingness to chase a dream that most of us would avoid as too risky. His story is a compelling bootstrap story. It began with no resources, and the sponsorship attracted has come just one way... from on-track success with potential to advance further. You know... attracting sponsorship the old fashioned way.

It is easy to learn the truth about the Carlos Slim connection. It is business, not birthright. Escudería Telmex-Telcel was established in 2002 as part of the Telmex business plan. It's not unlike the Coca-Cola Family or the Gillette Young Guns. Numerous Mexican and Latin American drivers have been supported over the years. This program is part of the Telmex marketing plan, as passion for motorsports is deeply embedded in the Latin culture.

Imagine a large, prominent company that integrates racing into its business plan. Yeah, we hate that. Let's make up derisive trash about a company like that. SMH.

@DIDIT is correct that the Telmex support does not assure success on the track. He doesn't think Suarez has what it takes. I believe Daniel's career is tracking the right way. I predict he will be a Nascar star for a long time. But that's just my opinion, and time will answer that question.
 
Spotter22 said:
I think it is, but our biggest problem today compared to 25 years ago is with social media its overblown and talked to death which creates the illusion that back in the day people didnt cheat like and NASCAR has too many rules.
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Damn good point.
 
LewTheShoe said:
More false information and sinister innuendo has been posted to the internet concerning Daniel Suarez than any other current Nascar driver, I believe. You'd have to go back to stories about Jeff Gordon's sexual orientation to come close, IMO. Much of this drivel originates from racism and xenophobia, and then other people believe it and repeat it and it just spirals. SMH.

The Suarez family has no wealth, no family connections or friends with wealth, owns no conglomerates, etc, etc. What Daniel Suarez has going for him is talent and determination and willingness to chase a dream that most of us would avoid as too risky. His story is a compelling bootstrap story. It began with no resources, and the sponsorship attracted has come just one way... from on-track success with potential to advance further. You know... attracting sponsorship the old fashioned way.

It is easy to learn the truth about the Carlos Slim connection. It is business, not birthright. Escudería Telmex-Telcel was established in 2002 as part of the Telmex business plan. It's not unlike the Coca-Cola Family or the Gillette Young Guns. Numerous Mexican and Latin American drivers have been supported over the years. This program is part of the Telmex marketing plan, as passion for motorsports is deeply embedded in the Latin culture.

Imagine a large, prominent company that integrates racing into its business plan. Yeah, we hate that. Let's make up derisive trash about a company like that. SMH.

@DIDIT is correct that the Telmex support does not assure success on the track. He doesn't think Suarez has what it takes. I believe Daniel's career is tracking the right way. I predict he will be a Nascar star for a long time. But that's just my opinion, and time will answer that question.
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This. Thank you.
 
LewTheShoe said:
More false information and sinister innuendo has been posted to the internet concerning Daniel Suarez than any other current Nascar driver, I believe. You'd have to go back to stories about Jeff Gordon's sexual orientation to come close, IMO. Much of this drivel originates from racism and xenophobia, and then other people believe it and repeat it and it just spirals. SMH.

The Suarez family has no wealth, no family connections or friends with wealth, owns no conglomerates, etc, etc. What Daniel Suarez has going for him is talent and determination and willingness to chase a dream that most of us would avoid as too risky. His story is a compelling bootstrap story. It began with no resources, and the sponsorship attracted has come just one way... from on-track success with potential to advance further. You know... attracting sponsorship the old fashioned way.

It is easy to learn the truth about the Carlos Slim connection. It is business, not birthright. Escudería Telmex-Telcel was established in 2002 as part of the Telmex business plan. It's not unlike the Coca-Cola Family or the Gillette Young Guns. Numerous Mexican and Latin American drivers have been supported over the years. This program is part of the Telmex marketing plan, as passion for motorsports is deeply embedded in the Latin culture.

Imagine a large, prominent company that integrates racing into its business plan. Yeah, we hate that. Let's make up derisive trash about a company like that. SMH.

@DIDIT is correct that the Telmex support does not assure success on the track. He doesn't think Suarez has what it takes. I believe Daniel's career is tracking the right way. I predict he will be a Nascar star for a long time. But that's just my opinion, and time will answer that question.
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Thanks for the insight, my perception was obviously wrong. Having a better understanding of his background definitely will shed a different light on him for me going forward...I am assuming what you posted was factual.
 
an L1 without any points taken away and the fines probably go into the manufactures points pool. Elliott got 15 championship and 15 owner points and 25 thousand fine for a second place finish for a piece of tape on the spoiler
Larson lost 35 points last year after qualifying on the pole and started in the back, lost his lead over Truex, and lost his crew chief for the race because of his deck fin lid
 
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StandOnIt said:
an L1 without any points taken away and the fines probably go into the manufactures points pool. Elliott got 15 championship and 15 owner points and 25 thousand fine for a second place finish for a piece of tape on the spoiler
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The infraction on the 24 was found after the race, it was a blatant attempt at cheating as the tape was applied after inspection. The Gibbs cars were sent to the back for splitter infractions discovered BEFORE the race.
 
kyle18fan said:
The infraction on the 24 was found after the race, it was a blatant attempt at cheating as the tape was applied after inspection. The Gibbs cars were sent to the back for splitter infractions discovered BEFORE the race.
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Interesting, this fact was never covered in Claire B. Lang's "Chasing Legality" show.....
I'm cuddling my points right now.
 
  • L1 penalties concern areas of minimum heights and weights, the Laser Inspection Station (LIS), gear ratios, and flagrant lug nut violations where 17 or fewer are properly secured. Penalties will be a 10-40 point deduction, suspension for 1-3 races, plus a fine up to $75,000.
Don't understand why no points deduction.
 
rd45usa said:
  • L1 penalties concern areas of minimum heights and weights, the Laser Inspection Station (LIS), gear ratios, and flagrant lug nut violations where 17 or fewer are properly secured. Penalties will be a 10-40 point deduction, suspension for 1-3 races, plus a fine up to $75,000.
Don't understand why no points deduction.
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Nobody is showing up at a pre-practice, pre-qualifying or pre-race inspection with loose lug nuts. The infraction occurred pre-race, not post.

The cars were sent to the rear of the field as part of the penalty.
 
aunty dive said:
Nobody is showing up at a pre-practice, pre-qualifying or pre-race inspection with loose lug nuts. The infraction occurred pre-race, not post.

The cars were sent to the rear of the field as part of the penalty.
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Somehow a pre race infraction got compared to the 24 taping up a spoiler during a race o_O
 
Again if every car was same manuf. , like all Fords the cheating woulds be less.
 
sloggie said:
If NASCAR really wanted to stop stuff like this, they wouldn't have let them race.

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Cue Dave Moody screaming at you about how that would be too unfair for the 27 fans that actually attend the race...
 
kyle18fan said:
Somehow a pre race infraction got compared to the 24 taping up a spoiler during a race o_O
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Was it during the race? I thought teams were complaining all through practices to NASCAR about it. (Or was that the strategically placed razor slit in the wrap?)
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Was it during the race? I thought teams were complaining all through practices to NASCAR about it. (Or was that the strategically placed razor slit in the wrap?)
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The 24 crew was filmed trying to remove the clear tape after the race.





Watch the crew guys standing behind Chase
 
kyle18fan said:
The 24 crew was filmed trying to remove the clear tape after the race.





Watch the crew guys standing behind Chase
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I remember the removal. Reddit claimed credit for spotting it, but NASCAR had been watching all weekend because teams complained in practices. Which begs the question as to why they didn’t pop them prerace, but I digress. What I don’t know is WHEN that tape was applied. The teams may have been complaining about the wrap deforming due to being cut instead of the tape, I can’t say for sure.
 
Point is that the 24 got nailed and lost points for an obvious infraction. The tape wasn’t applied in a pit stop, so was it applied after inspection somehow or did NASCAR ignore it prerace and slap them post race? Anyways, back to the weekly JGR penalty thread. Sorry to derail...
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
I remember the removal. Reddit claimed credit for spotting it, but NASCAR had been watching all weekend because teams complained in practices. Which begs the question as to why they didn’t pop them prerace, but I digress. What I don’t know is WHEN that tape was applied. The teams may have been complaining about the wrap deforming due to being cut instead of the tape, I can’t say for sure.
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Must have been after final inspection, but that is just a guess.
 
aunty dive said:
Nobody is showing up at a pre-practice, pre-qualifying or pre-race inspection with loose lug nuts. The infraction occurred pre-race, not post.

The cars were sent to the rear of the field as part of the penalty.
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But intent is there, correct? If it’s not within the rules, the assumption is it was intentional so I don’t get why no points either?
 
I’m sure there would have been a points penalty if the infraction had been discovered post-race.

Personally, I think pre-race inspection failures shouldn’t be penalized at all.
 
aunty dive said:
I’m sure there would have been a points penalty if the infraction had been discovered post-race.

Personally, I think pre-race inspection failures shouldn’t be penalized at all.
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I agree and Definitely dont agree with a points penalty on a car that never turned a lap
 
Really? Not me, you get caught with something that obviously would help you in the speed/handling dept before/after/during a race should be a punishment that would keep you from trying it again...
 
It would be interesting to know what order of penalty magnitude would accomplish that.

So far, obviously, we haven’t seen it.
 
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