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Being reported now
Say what?Being reported now
He was gone anyways, Lilly pulled the plug on him in October.Well that's one way to get rid of Ryan Reed.
Carl leaving for "the dark side" was the deathknell imo. They might physically be around as an actual race team for a while longer but they're a shell of their former selves at this point.Roush racing has been dying since about 2012. as SHR adds another car to the Xfinity series this year
So? That doesn't diminish the fact that an icon of the sport is lost in this series.Roush racing has been dying since about 2012. as SHR adds another car to the Xfinity series this year
RFR were going downhill even when things were better than they are now. Much of it lays on them in their failure to evolve and adapt as a team IMO.So? That doesn't diminish the fact that an icon of the sport is lost in this series.
Since Carl left....it still is rough to see IMO. It boggles my mind to see where Roush is today, just 10 years ago Carl just got done battling JJ for the Championship.Roush racing has been dying since about 2012. as SHR adds another car to the Xfinity series this year
Kenseth was talking about having a job after he raced at Roush, Looks like he took a look and bailed.RFR were going downhill even when things were better than they are now. Much of it lays on them in their failure to evolve and adapt as a team IMO.
I also would not be surprised to see them just be an engine builder once Stenhouse's contract is up in a few years. Ford will continue to invest more in SHR and Penske, they are clearly the flagship teams there.
True, but losing them is still a huge deal.RFR were going downhill even when things were better than they are now. Much of it lays on them in their failure to evolve and adapt as a team IMO.
I also would not be surprised to see them just be an engine builder once Stenhouse's contract is up in a few years. Ford will continue to invest more in SHR and Penske, they are clearly the flagship teams there.
I rooted against Yates and Roush, I was equally sad to see Yates wither away much like Roush is now. They were once the flagship team of FordMan, to know that the program Mark Martin and company with the likes Biffle, Edwards, Kenseth... This is truly sad and honestly Reed leaving with Lilly's out was the nail in the coffin.
Roush is turning more into Robert Yates Racing every year. I would not be surprised to see Roush focus truly on engines in the next five years or so.
I rooted against Yates and Roush, I was equally sad to see Yates wither away much like Roush is now. They were once the flagship team of Ford
I agree. It’s great hey SHR is adding a car in the series but it’s sad to see the team that had Mark Martin in the 60 Winn Dixie Ford die.I fondly remember a very young Davey Allison and Joey Knuckles taking the Yates/Havoline Thunderbird to the front. Winning two races as a rookie in 1987, and only running 22 of the 29 scheduled events. Also remember the Stroh Light Blue Thunderbirds with Mark Martin behind the wheel. Those guys were just tough. I hate to see Roush slowly go the same way as Yates, but time passes on.
RFR were going downhill even when things were better than they are now. Much of it lays on them in their failure to evolve and adapt as a team IMO.
I also would not be surprised to see them just be an engine builder once Stenhouse's contract is up in a few years. Ford will continue to invest more in SHR and Penske, they are clearly the flagship teams there.
WOW, didn't see that coming. Be great to see that series replicate the old ASA series. Short tracks, Independent teams. Make it affordable. Avoid the spec crap .Ain't gonna happen.
Jack may decide to go alone in another form of racing.Crash Reed lost his sponsor for his buy a ride, and the 60 car was infamous this year. it hurt that 60 car was so bad, they must have been training monkeys to set up that car. I think Jack and his partner Fenway are about thru with the racing business.
In it's last two decades, ASA was VERY spec, and it WORKED. They adopted common chassis center sections and tightly controlled bodies in 1992 and spec engines in 1998. The only things that killed ASA was losing their TV deal when TNN was sold and Rex Robbins selling out.
It always seemed coincidental to me that IROC died along with ASA and both were spec series. That's just my take on it. If NASCAR wanted to buy another series, I would have rather them bought whatever is left of the ASA series, and had a touring short track series. There's a ton of venues that could possibly put on great shows at the local level. To me, that's where racing will get revitalized, the local level. Doesn't matter, ASA is long gone .
I believe there were NUMUROUS reasons why IROC died. Because of schedule conflicts, it became harder to find dates that would allow non-NASCAR drivers to participate. Then you had drivers from certain series like Formula One that would NOT participate. Then you had star drivers who decided they no longer WANTED to participate. Then you have the fact that the more specialized drivers have become, you had fewer and fewer drivers from outside NASCAR that had ever driven a car of that type, and couldn't put on a very good show. So you ended up with race that looked like just another NASCAR race that was often held at dull venues. Finally, they lost manufacturer support and then sponsor support and that finally killed it. I think the lack of star participation was the biggest single nail in the coffin. Imagine an IROC with Kyle, Kevin, Martin and Chase, with Scott Dixon, Simon Pagenaud, Will Power and Josef Newgarden, Hamilton and Alonso and Jordan Taylor and Jan Magnussen in interesting cars on tracks like Watkins Glen and VIR or Mid-Ohio and say Darlington and Richmond. I think you could sell THAT.
Carl leaving for "the dark side" was the deathknell imo.
interesting cars
In it's last two decades, ASA was VERY spec, and it WORKED. They adopted common chassis center sections and tightly controlled bodies in 1992 and spec engines in 1998. The only things that killed ASA was losing their TV deal when TNN was sold and Rex Robbins selling out.
That didn't kill it, Jack fell behind in the egineering a leadership of the team. I think other teams found speed and handling, whereas his organization just fell behind. Fenway, if anything interjected more money into the equation improving Jack's chances at success.Jack may decide to go alone in another form of racing.
His sale to Fenway is what killed his racing program.
How can you say that ASA worked and they lost their TV deal in the same post?
That just look like a bunch of Dodge MagnumsSince people don't buy cars these days, turn the Xfinity series into racing SUVs.
I think you're onto something here. A lot of women drive SUV's.Since people don't buy cars these days, turn the Xfinity series into racing SUVs.
Walmart or Costco could sponsor it.I think you're onto something here. A lot of women drive SUV's.
Imagine an IROC with Kyle, Kevin, Martin and Chase, with Scott Dixon, Simon Pagenaud, Will Power and Josef Newgarden, Hamilton and Alonso and Jordan Taylor and Jan Magnussen in interesting cars on tracks like Watkins Glen and VIR or Mid-Ohio and say Darlington and Richmond. I think you could sell THAT.