Roush closes doors on Xfinity Series

MRM said:
Since people don't buy cars these days, turn the Xfinity series into racing SUVs.
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No ****, Lamborghini is starting a racing series with their Urus crossover/SUV thing. Or so they plan to.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Carl leaving for "the dark side" was the deathknell imo. They might physically be around as an actual race team for a while longer but they're a shell of their former selves at this point.

That #60 team was a total disaster and with Briscoe going to SHR, Cindric to Penske, and Reed's money gone there's not much reason to keep that thing afloat. Too bad Majeski never got a proper shot though.
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That #60 team became a meme more than anything else. No matter who was behind the wheel, it ended up in the wall.
 
Mopardh9 said:
That didn't kill it, Jack fell behind in the egineering a leadership of the team. I think other teams found speed and handling, whereas his organization just fell behind. Fenway, if anything interjected more money into the equation improving Jack's chances at success.
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I am not going to get into any argument with you, my memory is failing me these days in that they have changed so much I am now a very mellow, humble person. :D

So here is what I remember and ONLY statement made by Jack or his partner can shake them.

Jack was a very successful business man who had many ties with Ford. Jack also loved racing and did own teams in other types of racing. The biggest challenge for him was to be the biggest and best in Nascar. To stop his war, Nascar changed all the rules and forced him to cut teams and drop sponsors. ( most sponsors in those days were for a whole season).
Jack made a very smart business move and sold half his team and cashed out his investment. His partner took over all the office work, investments and sponsor duties. Jack looked after the cars. RFR spent millions on their computer program, the same one RCR had. It proved to be a very bad investment Fenway would NOT write of the loss and spend millions more on one that worked. ( RCR did). When Richard Petty switched back to Ford they had to change the entire front clip to accommodate the deep Ford oil pan. Right off the bat Petty was beating Roush on the track and that was because they were not using the shaker/computer program. RFR then dropped it.
The only team owner in Nascar to rival Jack was Hendrick, all the others closed shop and left while selling their assets for a dime on the dollar. Jack has already sold all his assets and got all his investment back. Now the team only operates on income which Fenway uses mostly to pay the share holders.
Now you know why Roush was so successful and RFR is failing so badly.
Fenway will go back to baseball and Jack will do whatever he wants ( except fly his beloved Jet fighter).
Hope you enjoyed my memory and remember it is mine, you can create your own.
 
Team Penske said:
I am not going to get into any argument with you, my memory is failing me these days in that they have changed so much I am now a very mellow, humble person. :D

So here is what I remember and ONLY statement made by Jack or his partner can shake them.

Jack was a very successful business man who had many ties with Ford. Jack also loved racing and did own teams in other types of racing. The biggest challenge for him was to be the biggest and best in Nascar. To stop his war, Nascar changed all the rules and forced him to cut teams and drop sponsors. ( most sponsors in those days were for a whole season).
Jack made a very smart business move and sold half his team and cashed out his investment. His partner took over all the office work, investments and sponsor duties. Jack looked after the cars. RFR spent millions on their computer program, the same one RCR had. It proved to be a very bad investment Fenway would NOT write of the loss and spend millions more on one that worked. ( RCR did). When Richard Petty switched back to Ford they had to change the entire front clip to accommodate the deep Ford oil pan. Right off the bat Petty was beating Roush on the track and that was because they were not using the shaker/computer program. RFR then dropped it.
The only team owner in Nascar to rival Jack was Hendrick, all the others closed shop and left while selling their assets for a dime on the dollar. Jack has already sold all his assets and got all his investment back. Now the team only operates on income which Fenway uses mostly to pay the share holders.
Now you know why Roush was so successful and RFR is failing so badly.
Fenway will go back to baseball and Jack will do whatever he wants ( except fly his beloved Jet fighter).
Hope you enjoyed my memory and remember it is mine, you can create your own.
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Ok guess i got schooled there, thanks for the info.
 
Formerjackman said:
They lost their TV deal because the TNN network was sold and rebranded, and the new network had no interest in televising the racing series. They tried to cobble a TV deal together, but it didn't really go anywhere. Add into this that this was about the time that the founding Robbins family sold the series and also when title sponsor AC Delco pulled out when GM began having financial troubles. When I say it worked, the on track product was quite good, there were full fields of cars, and the crowds seemed pretty decent, considering that during this time frame (late 90's early 2000's) the economy had started to sour and NASCAR was still going strong enough to suck all of the air out of the room. ASA ultimately died for several reasons, but I don't think for one second that the cars they used or the product they put on the track was responsible for the demise. The final season (2004) featured nine different winners in fourteen events and the last two events ever held had 38 and 37 cars. The ONLY mistake I see that was made from a technical standpoint was that the Ford teams should have had the choice of an equal Ford spec motor to use instead of ALL cars having to use the spec Lingenfelter GM LS V8.
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If the Ford teams would have a choice to run Fords instead of GM, you are no longer spec....unless I am missing something.:confused:
 
In the era fuel injection and electronic engine controls, Lingenfelter or some other vendor COULD have produced crate spec engines of two or more different brands with basically the same torque curve and HP numbers. Yes, it would take a little experimentation, but it CAN be done. I have never liked the idea of a single brand spec engine ANYWHERE. Perhaps Toyota would be more agreeable to a spec engine in the Truck Series if the engines their teams used was actually a Toyota engine. Yes, they would likely have to be built and certified by someone other than TRD or JGR, but at least it would be a Toyota engine. All you have to do is lock in the specifications and set the pricing so ALL engine brands would cost ALL teams the same price, and there you go.
 
The hardest working pit crew in the Xfinity series by far was the 60 car. They wrecked about every race.

There was one race (forget the track) my boys and I were like....wow the 60 car made it to the end. Then the 60 car crashed hard right after the checkered flag, we were hysterical laughing.
 
Formerjackman said:
In the era fuel injection and electronic engine controls, Lingenfelter or some other vendor COULD have produced crate spec engines of two or more different brands with basically the same torque curve and HP numbers. Yes, it would take a little experimentation, but it CAN be done. I have never liked the idea of a single brand spec engine ANYWHERE. Perhaps Toyota would be more agreeable to a spec engine in the Truck Series if the engines their teams used was actually a Toyota engine. Yes, they would likely have to be built and certified by someone other than TRD or JGR, but at least it would be a Toyota engine. All you have to do is lock in the specifications and set the pricing so ALL engine brands would cost ALL teams the same price, and there you go.
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To my knowledge any team could run a factory engine in the trucks. The spec engine is cheaper and was supposed to have more HP and displacement and was a cheaper alternative for teams that have less funds. That proved to be the case. Nobody twisted Toyota's arm like some are crying about. During the year in certain races the Toyota's ran their engines, and they appeared to have more HP than the 40 HP+ the spec engines had. Gilliland and Gragson ran a couple at Canadian tire, and ran away from the field, but they had a little problem at the last turn of the race.:D The big money teams who custom build their engines, got beat by the spec engine. Here is what Moffitt had to say bout it

Ilmor Engine in NASCAR Truck Series
The team has taken the 2018 NASCAR Truck Series championship with a spec engine. The Imore was introduced earlier this year. It was a way of helping the smaller teams reduce engine costs.
The big teams still run custom built engines. Yet, the spec engine beat them all. That didn’t come without complaints from the teams with custom engines.
And some of those teams have converted to Ilmor engines along the way. It didn’t help.
“As the season went on, it didn’t bother us. But, it was more and more of a joke when they were complaining about the rules changes.”

“We won Phoenix. The guy that ran 7th, wanted to complain about it when he got beat by five other Ilmor motors. He had an Ilmor in it tonight. I don’t know where he finished. But, he didn’t beat us.”

Related: Phoenix Raceway Results: NASCAR Truck Series

“So, I don’t know what his excuse is now,” the 2018 NASCAr champion driver concluded.

https://racingnews.co/2018/11/17/sh...8-nascar-truck-series-champion-brett-moffitt/
 
StandOnIt said:
To my knowledge any team could run a factory engine in the trucks. The spec engine is cheaper and was supposed to have more HP and displacement and was a cheaper alternative for teams that have less funds. That proved to be the case. Nobody twisted Toyota's arm like some are crying about. During the year in certain races the Toyota's ran their engines, and they appeared to have more HP than the 40 HP+ the spec engines had. Gilliland and Gragson ran a couple at Canadian tire, and ran away from the field, but they had a little problem at the last turn of the race.:D The big money teams who custom build their engines, got beat by the spec engine. Here is what Moffitt had to say bout it

Ilmor Engine in NASCAR Truck Series
The team has taken the 2018 NASCAR Truck Series championship with a spec engine. The Imore was introduced earlier this year. It was a way of helping the smaller teams reduce engine costs.
The big teams still run custom built engines. Yet, the spec engine beat them all. That didn’t come without complaints from the teams with custom engines.
And some of those teams have converted to Ilmor engines along the way. It didn’t help.
“As the season went on, it didn’t bother us. But, it was more and more of a joke when they were complaining about the rules changes.”

“We won Phoenix. The guy that ran 7th, wanted to complain about it when he got beat by five other Ilmor motors. He had an Ilmor in it tonight. I don’t know where he finished. But, he didn’t beat us.”

Related: Phoenix Raceway Results: NASCAR Truck Series

“So, I don’t know what his excuse is now,” the 2018 NASCAr champion driver concluded.

https://racingnews.co/2018/11/17/sh...8-nascar-truck-series-champion-brett-moffitt/
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All I'm saying that IF there was a spec Chevy engine, a spec Ford engine and a Spec Toyota engine, and each engine was certified by a neutral third party to be within the same performance parameters as all of the other engines, I think there would be a lot LESS complaints over the spec engine issue. If I were Toyota or Ford, I wouldn't want somebody else's engine in my race car no matter what the hell the valve covers said.
 
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