Christopher Bell Appreciation Thread

Formerjackman said:
I don't even get what you two are arguing about. NASCAR issued a penalty, HMS appeals, the panel reduces the penalty from points an money to only money. Why is this HMS's fault? And of course HMS pays the fine, which means X% Rick and Y% Jeff, at least in theory. Why is this even an issue?
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He's trying to say Mr. H bought the points back. Paid a bigger fine to reduce/eliminate the points penalty.

I don't even care is that's true, really. But our buddy @Revman looooves to ask others to cite their source when they say something that cannot be proven. Just giving him a taste of his own medicine.
 
Revman said:
Be careful. If I told you that somebody would turn somebody under yellow with 0 consequence, would you have believed me before last week? ....and please with the monetary fine.....although I find it flat out hilarious that on the same week the Ex Con writes a bigger check in favor of getting his points back, he meets with NASCAR and pleads that he isn't able to make money in the sport. What an amazing week it has been.
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It wasn't like HMS was given an option, points or money, the panel decided on money only. How is this HMS's fault? How could HMS know what the decision would be? Most of the people I talked to thought they would cut the points penalty in half and leave the fine as is.
 
Formerjackman said:
It wasn't like HMS was given an option, points or money, the panel decided on money only. How is this HMS's fault? How could HMS know what the decision would be? Most of the people I talked to thought they would cut the points penalty in half and leave the fine as is.
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HMS appealed....which was a joke. They all saw what their driver did....WE all saw what their driver did. This panel is bull**** too. No explanation. They don't owe anybody an explanation? Everybody owes everybody an explanation.
 
2 Sweet said:
He's trying to say Mr. H bought the points back. Paid a bigger fine to reduce/eliminate the points penalty.

I don't even care is that's true, really. But our buddy @Revman looooves to ask others to cite their source when they say something that cannot be proven. Just giving him a taste of his own medicine.
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I am not trying to say that--although I have joked about it. The net effect of the appeal bull**** was that the Ex Con ended up paying more in the same week his minion said that the company wasn't making money.
 
2 Sweet said:
Sooo, no source then, and you're just speculating? Yeah.
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You misunderstood me. I do believe in the integrity of this sport--although I did joke about the Ex Con paying the panel off....because he has a history of that sort of thing. I am merely pointing out that they paid more in the same week Jeffy was whining about their loses.
 
Formerjackman said:
Yes, the broken toe link that put him in points danger was from hitting the wall all by himself. If he doesn't do that, Byron's non-penalty and all of the crap that happened on the late race debacle would have mattered to him at all.
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Well, there will certainly be screeching about all of this. I found yesterday to be amazing--even before the result. I love this sport.
 
I don’t think Bell is going to make the Championship 4 this year, still think he’s a year away. But next year? I’d have expectations of him making a challenge to being the lead car for JGR and being a problem for all competitors involved. That 20 team is giving him fast cars every week and he’s figuring out what do with them. Fun to see it happen.
 
Revman said:
HMS appealed....which was a joke. They all saw what their driver did....WE all saw what their driver did. This panel is bull**** too. No explanation. They don't owe anybody an explanation? Everybody owes everybody an explanation.
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Why is it a joke to appeal a penalty that they thought was too harsh? Why was Hamlin not penalized for hitting William after William spun him? I'm not sure where the explanation thing comes into this, but generally I agree. Do whatever you are going to do, but be prepared to defend your words and actions.
 
Revman said:
Well, there will certainly be screeching about all of this. I found yesterday to be amazing--even before the result. I love this sport.
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I'm not quite sure what you found amazing. I saw a snoozefest followed by the dumbest need to throw a caution ever, followed by a bunch of people driving like driver's ed rejects. Sorry, I'm just not seeing it. Even when I thought Chase was going to win I was bored to tears with the race.
 
Revman said:
You misunderstood me. I do believe in the integrity of this sport--although I did joke about the Ex Con paying the panel off....because he has a history of that sort of thing. I am merely pointing out that they paid more in the same week Jeffy was whining about their loses.
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So it would have been better to not appeal the penalty and for Byron to miss the playoffs based on the off chance that the panel MIGHT increase the monetary fine? I'm not sure I follow that line of thought. Out of about a half dozen ways that appeal COULD have gone, what actually happened was the LEAST likely in my opinion, one probably nobody, even HMS ever considered. While we are at it, Jeff wasn't the ONLY one complaining about the finances. One of YOUR guys was right there saying the same things, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
 
Revman said:
The weather wasn't the issue. The response was the issue. Are you arguing that the signage should not have resulted in a yellow?
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You can deny it all you want, and so can my good pal @BobbyFord but if it was Bell leading, and Chase Elliott won because of it, you two and many others would be claiming NASCAR helped him win.

That’s not me saying the yellow shouldn’t have came out, because it should’ve. But yeah a lot of folks okay here would be PISSED and calling favorites.
 
I mean I'm all on board with trashing on HMS today and the appeal because Byron, who will never sniff a title, got his 25 points back, effectively costing my driver the round of 8.

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jaqua19 said:
I mean I'm all on board with trashing on HMS today and the appeal because Byron, who will never sniff a title, got his 25 points back, effectively costing my driver the round of 8.

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YOUR driver ran himself into the wall, Byron's appeal would have meant nothing if Kyle had just taken care of business. If Byron sucks so much, then the world greatest driver shouldn't have had any trouble outpointing him, penalty or not.
 
Formerjackman said:
Tell why there isn't signs tacked onto the safer barriers around the ovals.
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It wasn't cloudy that day

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Spotter22 said:
Its a conspiracy, Marcus planned it all. He is waiting for you to come shove that sign up his ass though. A little tip, you dont wanna go that route
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Well, tell us why it is OK to put signs that can fall off onto the racetrack in the infield part of the course, but not on the oval. By the way, I'm not going to shove anything anywhere. That's Chase's issue to deal with. BUT, if I were him, I'd be burning up some phone lines Monday morning.
 
Formerjackman said:
Well, tell us why it is OK to put signs that can fall off onto the racetrack in the infield part of the course, but not on the oval. By the way, I'm not going to shove anything anywhere. That's Chase's issue to deal with. BUT, if I were him, I'd be burning up some phone lines Monday morning.
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Didnt you tell me that sign got knocked off? Chase Elliott isnt thinking about the sign, he's moving on to Las Vegas. Making sure the Bus is loaded, Driver is getting his groceries for the weekend, fuel card is loaded, where he is meeting the boys to gamble and play golf.
 
Revman said:
HMS appealed....which was a joke. They all saw what their driver did....WE all saw what their driver did. This panel is bull**** too. No explanation. They don't owe anybody an explanation? Everybody owes everybody an explanation.
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Not appealing would have been a joke, I mean come on.... The appeal was successful, so how was appealing a joke??????
 
Blaze said:
You can deny it all you want, and so can my good pal @BobbyFord but if it was Bell leading, and Chase Elliott won because of it, you two and many others would be claiming NASCAR helped him win.

That’s not me saying the yellow shouldn’t have came out, because it should’ve. But yeah a lot of folks okay here would be PISSED and calling favorites.
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Have you ever heard me claim that a race was fixed for Chase or anybody else?
 
Daytripper said:
Not appealing would have been a joke, I mean come on.... The appeal was successful, so how was appealing a joke??????
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What was the basis of the appeal? That it didn't happen? The Ex Con put his money on the panel being a collection of clowns. He won. bull****.
 
Revman said:
What was the basis of the appeal? That it didn't happen? The Ex Con put his money on the panel being a collection of clowns. He won. bull****.
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The basis of the appeal was that the penalty was too harsh, and the panel agreed. If you have a problem with the panel, that's fine, but that's not HMS's fault.
 
Revman said:
What was the basis of the appeal? That it didn't happen? The Ex Con put his money on the panel being a collection of clowns. He won. bull****.
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But how was him appealing a joke? He won the appeal and you think he shouldn't of appealed. That's a joke. Whether you agree with the outcome of the appeal doesn't matter, he won the appeal so making the appeal was the correct move.
 
Formerjackman said:
The basis of the appeal was that the penalty was too harsh, and the panel agreed. If you have a problem with the panel, that's fine, but that's not HMS's fault.
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It's HMS's fault that it came to this in the first place. Geez. I think stripping a guy of a win is too harsh, but the team I root for recognized that they did something wrong, and chose to accept the consequence. Should be interesting to see how ole Rodney makes out, shouldn't it? I feel for NASCAR on this kind of....the appeals process is crap. The message has been sent $100,000 buys you the opportunity to take a leader out. Period. Good for the sport? Not so much.
 
Daytripper said:
But how was him appealing a joke? He won the appeal and you think he shouldn't of appealed. That's a joke. Whether you agree with the outcome of the appeal doesn't matter, he won the appeal so making the appeal was the correct move.
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For somebody without character, and a sense of fair play. The message is clear.....Take the leader out under yellow for $100,000. Interesting.
 
Revman said:
For somebody without character, and a sense of fair play. The message is clear.....Take the leader out under yellow for $100,000. Interesting.
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What does that have to do with making the appeal? Those are two separate incidents.
 
Revman said:
It's HMS's fault that it came to this in the first place. Geez. I think stripping a guy of a win is too harsh, but the team I root for recognized that they did something wrong, and chose to accept the consequence. Should be interesting to see how ole Rodney makes out, shouldn't it? I feel for NASCAR on this kind of....the appeals process is crap. The message has been sent $100,000 buys you the opportunity to take a leader out. Period. Good for the sport? Not so much.
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Why is it so wrong to dispute whether a penalty is too harsh or not? That's a LOT different than denying that a rule was broken. NASCAR wrote the rule and as per usual they did a piss poor job of it and left an avenue open for the appeals court to come up with a different penalty. NASCAR has apparently closed that loophole, we shall see. If there is ANYBODY to blame for this entire mess, it is NASCAR, and NASCAR alone. You act like Rick walked into a room and said, I'll pay twice the fine if you eliminate the points penalty". That's NOT how it works, no matter how much you want it to be true.
 
Formerjackman said:
Why is it so wrong to dispute whether a penalty is too harsh or not? That's a LOT different than denying that a rule was broken. NASCAR wrote the rule and as per usual they did a piss poor job of it and left an avenue open for the appeals court to come up with a different penalty. NASCAR has apparently closed that loophole, we shall see. If there is ANYBODY to blame for this entire mess, it is NASCAR, and NASCAR alone. You act like Rick walked into a room and said, I'll pay twice the fine if you eliminate the points penalty". That's NOT how it works, no matter how much you want it to be true.
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Too harsh? Spinning a guy under yellow? Are we listening to ourselves?
 
StandOnIt said:
Somebody named All New Camaro was mentioned a whole lot. :dunce:
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Never said they cheated. I have always been pissed that NASCAR allowed it--particularly after the COVID freeze, and you know that. You also know that I have a good point, but....the narrative. Manufacturers should have been allowed to develop while Chevy sat there with the advantage. Larson agrees. Kind of a drop off in performance if you didn't notice. WE accept the fact that a couple of pieces of tape could influence speed....imagine what a whole new car does. You know this stuff though.
 
Formerjackman said:
YOUR driver ran himself into the wall, Byron's appeal would have meant nothing if Kyle had just taken care of business. If Byron sucks so much, then the world greatest driver shouldn't have had any trouble outpointing him, penalty or not.
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But that's what happened. And without the ridiculous penalty pay back, there would have been enough room for such a mistake..pretty clear that's what I was implying.

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Revman said:
For somebody without character, and a sense of fair play. The message is clear.....Take the leader out under yellow for $100,000. Interesting.
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I don't like the example being set

JoLo is in the final 4 most likely, imo. Someone is getting dumped by him. Whether it's Elliott, Bell or Hamlin (all locks imo), this board should likely be prepared.

Whoever is in front of him for the final 25 lap go go restart (which WILL happen somehow), they're getting dumped.

I hope Logano plows through the field and wrecks everyone. It will be most in-line with what we've seen lol

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Revman said:
Too harsh? Spinning a guy under yellow? Are we listening to ourselves?
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I never said I agreed or disagreed with the penalty, I'm just telling you what the argument was, that HMS had every right to make that appeal, and evidently the appeals board thought that it WAS too harsh. I do have to say that on the long laundry list of things to get and not to get worked up about around here, William spinning Denny or Denny hitting William back just doesn't rank all that far up my give a crap list. I guess growing up in the Earnhardt/Waltrip/ Spencer/Irvan/Ellis/Lajoie and on and on era of NASCAR has left me a little numb to such things. Should it happen? No. Should there be a penalty for it? Yes. Is it a BIG deal? No, not really. It's just like the Custer penalty. Yes, stuff like that shouldn't happen, but I think if you pursue it too far, you open up a can of worms that has no bottom. What are we, TEN years or more after the MWR fiasco, and neither the principles involved, or the fans for that matter can agree on exactly what happened, why, and what should have been done about it.
 
I see a concfict of rules right now between what is considered blocking (no penalty) and not giving 100% rule. Enforcing Custers lack of 100% and all these other examples pop up, some are blatant as hell. I think they should have non called it, made it a product of the mickey mouse Chase.
 
Formerjackman said:
I never said I agreed or disagreed with the penalty, I'm just telling you what the argument was, that HMS had every right to make that appeal, and evidently the appeals board thought that it WAS too harsh. I do have to say that on the long laundry list of things to get and not to get worked up about around here, William spinning Denny or Denny hitting William back just doesn't rank all that far up my give a crap list. I guess growing up in the Earnhardt/Waltrip/ Spencer/Irvan/Ellis/Lajoie and on and on era of NASCAR has left me a little numb to such things. Should it happen? No. Should there be a penalty for it? Yes. Is it a BIG deal? No, not really.
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But but but Willy ROBBED a GUARANTEED victory from Hamlin!!! And he did it for no reason!!! He wasn't provoked or anything, because Denny is the cleanest racer on earth and Byron's retaliation was unjustified!!! Willy is clearly just jealous of Denny/Gibbs/Toyota/TRD and he should be thrown in jail along with Hendrick for having the gall to appeal the penalty!!!!!!
 
You could almost argue that he WAS giving 100% For His Team
 
hmmm298 said:
You could almost argue that he WAS giving 100% For His Team
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To add I’m definitely not a SHR fan (even though I’m a Smoke fan) and do support the penalty because it was so blatant when watching the race
 
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