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StandOnIt said:
This should be worth a watch.
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One of the funniest part of this clip was a story of when Rick Hendrick was talking about Chad Knaus and Jim France. Hendrick said look at those two being all buddy buddy, Chad was the arch enemy of Nascar and look at those two all buddy buddy now.
 
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Every time I see an unshaded hard-surface patio, my first thought is, "Damn, that must get too hot to be on for six months out of the year." I'd have gone with a deck to get some air flow. The ground under there would stay cool. Instead of those large white tiles, I'd have gone with turf around the ... pool? I hope that's not a fountain; the last thing he'd need living in that area is a source of more humidity.

Must be 45 years of living in the Carolinas influencing me. You'd think a Memphis boy would know better.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Every time I see an unshaded hard-surface patio, my first thought is, "Damn, that must get too hot to be on for six months out of the year." I'd have gone with a deck to get some air flow. The ground under there would stay cool. Instead of those large white tiles, I'd have gone with turf around the ... pool? I hope that's not a fountain; the last thing he'd need living in that area is a source of more humidity.

Must be 45 years of living in the Carolinas influencing me. You'd think a Memphis boy would know better.
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Money can't buy taste, or logical home design
 
StandOnIt said:
You kidding? He tripled his money. You wouldn't have it, I wouldn't have it, but he tripled his damn money lol.
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Yeah, but that was over 12 years in the Charlotte area. It's a great increase but it isn't that surprising in that market. My parents built this house on the NC coast six years ago and I could sell it now for double what they spent. The undeveloped lot next door has quadrupled in value in the same period.

Oh, and I thought the house looked quite tasteful. My issue was only that the outdoor areas didn't appear to take Southern summers into consideration.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Yeah, but that was over 12 years in the Charlotte area. It's a great increase but it isn't that surprising in that market. My parents built this house on the NC coast six years ago and I could sell it now for double what they spent. The undeveloped lot next door has quadrupled in value in the same period.

Oh, and I thought the house looked quite tasteful. My issue was only that the outdoor areas didn't appear to take Southern summers into consideration.
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Dude, you were looking at a better homes and garden poser magazine house. Those have a following for people who like to buy the latest trends and will pay good money for them. My sis was a broker, I have watched her absolutely demolish houses in my eyes and make a bundle doing it.
 
Interesting chart. The COTA isn't accurate BUT look at the number of cautions for Bristol and Martinsville comparing the new car to the modern era car and then look at Kansas, Charlotte and Texas and it's pretty telling why the 1.5 are proving to be more exciting than the short tracks with the new car. They aren't wrecking each other as much on the short tracks (driver code). We need more Hocevars and Chastain needs to wake up lol.
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StandOnIt said:
Interesting chart. The COTA isn't accurate BUT look at the number of cautions for Bristol and Martinsville comparing the new car to the modern era car and then look at Kansas, Charlotte and Texas and it's pretty telling why the 1.5 are proving to be more exciting than the short tracks with the new car. They aren't wrecking each other as much on the short tracks (driver code). We need more Hocevars and Chastain needs to wake up lol.
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Since drivers and teams are well aware of when the stage break caution will come out there isn't the same incentive to really push the limits until the final stage. Before stage breaks drivers constantly battled with the unknown and teams were forced to the edge because going a lap down and losing track position was a constant with no known reset.
 
DIDIT said:
Since drivers and teams are well aware of when the stage break caution will come out there isn't the same incentive to really push the limits until the final stage. Before stage breaks drivers constantly battled with the unknown and teams were forced to the edge because going a lap down and losing track position was a constant with no known reset.
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Stage breaks do the opposite I believe. You can't lay back and wait until the last few laps to race. Important points are at stake for each stage now. There is no time to lay back and rest. That is why the green flag passing statistics are way up in the races these days.
 
But I suppose backmarkers who don't have a chance at getting any stage points can lay back and wait to hustle in the end laps of a race, but that isn't any difference than it was in the old days when they all could choose to if they wanted. The faster cars can't really afford to do much of that now with playoff points on the line.
 
StandOnIt said:
You can't lay back and wait until the last few laps to race. Important points are at stake for each stage now.
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Drivers already in the playoffs often short pit, valuing track position for the restart as more important than stage points. If they can't win the stage and get the extra playoff point, there's no incentive to stay out for the end of the stage.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Drivers already in the playoffs often short pit, valuing track position for the restart as more important than stage points. If they can't win the stage and get the extra playoff point, there's no incentive to stay out for the end of the stage.
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I wouldn't call that laying back trying to come out in front of the pack. Usually behind others who have stayed out to try to get points though. I've noticed that even though they are trying to flip the stage they still try to race like hell to try to get what stage points they can and sometimes they do pretty well on 4 fresh ones. I do like the stages and it would be easy to keep them if they went to a different point system I believe.
 
StandOnIt said:
Eh, I'm for not counting the laps at all. I get erked every time they run the laps down. They would get off their asses quick if they weren't counting laps to get the show back going.
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I can happily accept that. Nothing like seeing a '20 lap' second stage in X or Trucks that finally restarts with only 13 to go.

I've been pondering a rule requiring all pit stops to be made under green. Pitting under yellow would be allowed only for crash damage. Otherwise, two gallons max and restart in the back.
 
Eh, stuff like that is hard to keep up with for everybody. You are going to pit after a wreck, or spin of something safety. The yellow is going to come out. Not everybody comes in when the pits are open sometimes anyway. Too much control from Nascar for me anyway. I like to see them come in, see who is getting out first, see if any are getting the wrench. Just shut the lap counting down. Clean up trucks would be hauling ass, lineups and picking a lane wold be happening faster and the race would be ready to go faster. Dirt tracks do it right. With dirt tracks if you don't get lined up right you get set back and behind you get moved up no questions asked.
 
StandOnIt said:
But I suppose backmarkers who don't have a chance at getting any stage points can lay back and wait to hustle in the end laps of a race, but that isn't any difference than it was in the old days when they all could choose to if they wanted. The faster cars can't really afford to do much of that now with playoff points on the line.
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Here is where I am going with this. Teams that are running a bit off the leaders pace want to stay on the lead lap. The stage cautions lets everyone know exactly when it will happen. If your not near the top ten but a reasonable distance ahead of the leader you don't really need to push your equipment and driving ability to keep from going a lap down. But, if you didn't have stage cautions the teams don't know when a yellow might come out and continue to push as fast as they can go for as long as they can. It might just be me, but generally I don't recall that many cautions for equipment failures or drivers making mistakes in the first two stages.
 
DIDIT said:
Here is where I am going with this. Teams that are running a bit off the leaders pace want to stay on the lead lap. The stage cautions lets everyone know exactly when it will happen. If your not near the top ten but a reasonable distance ahead of the leader you don't really need to push your equipment and driving ability to keep from going a lap down. But, if you didn't have stage cautions the teams don't know when a yellow might come out and continue to push as fast as they can go for as long as they can. It might just be me, but generally I don't recall that many cautions for equipment failures or drivers making mistakes in the first two stages.
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Yeah I see your point. But in years of old because of dependability problems, drivers would save their cars until the end stages of the race because there were drop outs and finishing the race meant something. Those days are pretty much gone and track position is everything. The closer the front the better the car drives. I mean hardly anybody (I know, lucky dogs help) is a lap down anymore. It used to be cars were multiple laps down in 10th or so.

And cautions. They screw off so many laps with cautions.

And this brings us to the last whammy. Stage breaks are commercial breaks. No way to slice it. I wish there weren't any commercials like everybody else but with billions on the line it ain't going to happen. If I had the wand, my improvement would be to shut off the lap scoring. They burn up sometimes 6, 8 minutes of running caution laps that are scored for the total laps giving us two long stage caution periods of less racing.

One big benefit of not counting caution laps would be that the tracks would be forced to get the race ready to go back to racing much quicker after wrecks and other pauses so the laps can get run inside the TV window the networks provide. They can't burn the laps up under commercial breaks.
 
StandOnIt said:
One big benefit of not counting caution laps would be that the tracks would be forced to get the race ready to go back to racing much quicker after wrecks and other pauses so the laps can get run inside the TV window the networks provide.
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Sounds good until some whiz kid in Daytona suggests reducing race distances even further, or going to timed races.

Aother advantage to streaming - no TV window to limit coverage.
 
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