Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

The CooterJohnsonsJuniorsIII Foundation's proposed 36 race point system.

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One stage only at the halfway point with 10 points for the stage winner, 9 points for second.... 1 point for 10th.
If a driver wins the race and stage they would recieve 100 points.

This point system would always ensure that the first and second place car always earned the most points and the third place car would almost always recieve the third most points.

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Greg said:
The CooterJohnsonsJuniorsIII Foundation's proposed 36 race point system.

Highlights

One stage only at the halfway point with 10 points for the stage winner, 9 points for second.... 1 point for 10th.
If a driver wins the race and stage they would recieve 100 points.

This point system would always ensure that the first and second place car always earned the most points and the third place car would almost always recieve the third most points.

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I’m on board with this completely, but only if NASCAR announces the format with that exact name in the press release.
 
StandOnIt said:
The president of Nascar, Steve O'Donnell on Jr's podcast yesterday said they are changing the points system. He wants us know that, but nothing is going to happen until the end of this season. I wish they would come up with different point systems and let the fans vote, instead of cramming their best thinking down our throats, here it is, take it or leave it like it has been their practice for years.
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Like a fan vote for the championship?
 
Greg said:
The CooterJohnsonsJuniorsIII Foundation's proposed 36 race point system
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It's a bit top-heavy*. I'll go with it because NASCAR won't cut back to one stage, so the higher top-end points will compensate for the second stage points.

*I likes my wimmens like I likes my point systems.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
It's a bit top-heavy*. I'll go with it because NASCAR won't cut back to one stage, so the higher top-end points will compensate for the second stage points.

*I likes my wimmens like I likes my point systems.
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In hindset it is top heavy. I wanted it to reward 100 points if a driver won and led the most laps, while also preventing stage points from outdoing a poduim finish.
 
hmmm298 said:
Like a fan vote for the championship?
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Well, that's kind of what it is becoming isn't it? SOU or MOU or whatever are screeching, and NASCAR is reacting like always....so we will have a new championship based on a perceived preference.....translated.....if a ChevroRick can't win it, we will change it again until it can.
 
To me, one of the advantages of the Latford system was last place got more than 1 point. I recall it was around 30 or so. With first around 175, last place earned about 17% of first. Under the current system (1 point for last, 40 for first), last place is 2.5% of first. The current system penalizes a last place finish far more than the old one, and that's not even taking stage points into account. Nowadays attrition is less and more cars are running at the end, so having a problem is more likely to result in finishing in the mid-30s.

Three stages but only points for the top 5 - 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. Making gaining a position mean more. (Oh, and only two stages for Trucks and Xfinity; those races are too short to disrupt the flow twice. Drivers can hardly get into a rhythm, and there are usually plenty of cautions in those series anyway.)

Finish first and get 100 points regardless of any stage points earned. Last place gets 20% of first, assuming no stage points earned by last.

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IDK Charlie, you mean every driver gets to compete for positions the whole season?? Blasphemy without game 7 moments.
I was thinking about this last night, it shows to me how bogus game seven moments are in Nascar. When Larson won his Championship, it was of course in the lottery race. It went down to the last pit stop I believe it was in overtime or at least in the closing laps. The pit stop won the race. So game 7 it went down to the last race the last pit stop, the last lap. Nobody talks about it.
Now if that was stick n ball, they would still be talking about that on their 24/7 sports shows. Those guys go year round talking about football and apparently lots of football fans watch the shows, they are everywhere, replay after replay and they are glued watching the TV.. Just spell bound.
Race fans are different, I think maybe the networks and even Nascar are figuring it out...finally.
 
StandOnIt said:
it shows to me how bogus game seven moments are in Nascar.
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What France didn't understand is Game 7 Moments can't be forced. Most '4 of 7' series don't get to a seventh game. The ones that do get that far are special partly because they're rare and don't happen every year. Even some of those seventh games aren't special because they turn out to be forgettable blow-outs.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
What France didn't understand is Game 7 Moments can't be forced. Most '4 of 7' series don't get to a seventh game. The ones that do get that far are special partly because they're rare and don't happen every year. Even some of those seventh games aren't special because they turn out to be forgettable blow-outs.
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After so many years of "cut off" rounds and the constant gerbil Jeff hype (everything is cut off with Burton) I think the fans are suffering burnout. I know I am.
 
My game seven moment would be all the spotters talking about points during the whole (even if they get a warning) race.
 
Revman said:
Sure are...they spend more time bitching than enjoying their sport.
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I can't say. I don't watch anything else other than golf, and I'm not interested enough in that to hang out on its forums. For all I know, race fans may even be more reasonable than those of other sports. I -suspect- they're all pretty much the same, though.
 
I’ll definitely take some modified version of the Latford system over the current format. I don’t like awarding stage points & of course I don’t like stage breaks either but can live with them if I must. It would be fun to go back to bogus caution stoppages for a little while for the sake of variety.

A modified Latford system would increase the enjoyment of the races for me but I don’t think it would significantly alter attendance or viewership. NASCAR has spent the last 30 years alienating its core fan base & those people are either long gone or deceased. IMO NASCAR could improve things greatly by having professional broadcasts & an even application of rules.
 
AlTerego said:
I’ll definitely take some modified version of the Latford system over the current format. I don’t like awarding stage points & of course I don’t like stage breaks either but can live with them if I must. It would be fun to go back to bogus caution stoppages for a little while for the sake of variety.

A modified Latford system would increase the enjoyment of the races for me but I don’t think it would significantly alter attendance or viewership. NASCAR has spent the last 30 years alienating its core fan base & those people are either long gone or deceased. IMO NASCAR could improve things greatly by having professional broadcasts & an even application of rules.
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I'll never be a fan of Nascar deciding to find me a caution, we need a commercial break boys.
I want a points system that a person who is into the Nascar race can at least have a pretty good idea that when a driver wins the race they earn the most points AND a person watching can figure out pretty close how many points a driver gets. It's almost impossible now AND there are times that they don't get the most points for winning and that is confusing.
 
StandOnIt said:
I'll never be a fan of Nascar deciding to find me a caution, we need a commercial break boys.
I want a points system that a person who is into the Nascar race can at least have a pretty good idea that when a driver wins the race they earn the most points AND a person watching can figure out pretty close how many points a driver gets. It's almost impossible now AND there are times that they don't get the most points for winning and that is confusing.
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I wasn’t being serious about bringing back bogus cautions. I’m just a little frustrated with things.
 
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