2025 seasons are over. Where in Hell is our new format announcement??? 
Don't tell me NASCAR is still sitting on the pot?
Don't tell me NASCAR is still sitting on the pot?
Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.
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DaleJrFan2003
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After this weekend's atrocity, we should've gotten a full season points announcement like 5 minutes after the checkard flag waved.2025 seasons are over. Where in Hell is our new format announcement???
Naitch
Reads history books
This feels like a dishonest comparison.
Jarrett entered this race 231 points over Labonte so there was no real championship battle by that point. Labonte needed Jarrett to massively screw up to make it close for Atlanta.
Go back to any year with a close points battle and you’ll see an emphasis on the championship fight.
Was it more balanced? Sure. But the championship was still a disproportionate focus.
That being the case, good TV should be focused on field battles.
Naitch
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Absolutely. The race is the product. Even FOX, who doesn’t have the playoffs, is bad at highlighting battles deep in the field.
Greg
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I know people get tired of the good old days stories. But MRN would cover what every body was doing throughout the field. They routinely provided a complete run down with the attaboys.
The advantage they had was being the only game in town. If they made a snoozer sound like a barn burner you had no reason to doubt them.
The advantage they had was being the only game in town. If they made a snoozer sound like a barn burner you had no reason to doubt them.
HoneyBadger
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Having a points battle come down to the wire like in 1992 and 2002, it was worthy of that type of disproportionate coverage.
And it still is nowhere near as bad as now. NBC didn’t even tell us who won the ****** race!
HoneyBadger
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Go to NBC’s Facebook and you won’t see anything about who won. Just about Kyle Larson.
Blaze
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Were you not paying attention? I saw Ryan had won the race by looking at the TV.
Naitch
Reads history books
I went to NASCAR on NBC’s page and it is mentioned, not prominently, but it’s there.
HoneyBadger
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Buried completely behind an image of Larson.
Fox does have the playoffs for the trucks. Until this year, probably because of Heim they didn't spend every other word talking about it.
Nothing like being way over the line with the Hamlin thing. That was ridiculous coverage IMO.
HoneyBadger
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FOX is just bad as a general rule.
HoneyBadger
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Yeah, fans were adamantly opposed to the changes NASCAR was making in 2003-2004. The Chase, closing The Rock, moving the Southern 500 to Fontana. All deeply unpopular.
Billy done messed up...
DaleJrFan2003
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Bill jinxed us!
NASCAR didn't close Rockingham, SMI didn't apply for a race.
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That was music to my ears “there are no playoffs in the Winston Cup schedule, just a grueling 36 race schedule.” 48 hours later and no points format update. The suspense is legit stressing me out, I keep checking my phone every hour or so. When do you all think the NASCAR Honchos hammer this out and announce it ? Do you think the longer the silence the more likely a full season format will be used?
Full season is dead. They've already announced Cup drivers won't be allowed to run Truck or O'Reilly playoff races next year. I doubt they'll go to full season for Cup while keeping playoffs for the lower series, but I'll be delighted to be proven wrong.
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Wait, Kyle Larson didn't win the race this past weekend? I just assumed NASCAR had the finalists up in spots 1-3 (since Byron hit the wall).
(I'm not kidding. I really had no idea Kyle Larson didn't win the Phoenix race. Who did? I seriously don't know.)
(I'm not kidding. I really had no idea Kyle Larson didn't win the Phoenix race. Who did? I seriously don't know.)
One must remember that this is a small family that makes decisions. What worked last week doesn't necessarily work for this one after the complete cluster of the playoffs.
Bottom line, besides seconds from tragedy in the Truck series, the other two larger series once again saw the calamity unfold.
In Cup, the driver who won with a third place finish? in more same points systems should have been the Champion anyway.
I would think the ratings will have something to do with it also.
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I discovered last month that AAA's championship records were/are a complete mess. Some guys working there literally just started making people champion pre-WW2 based on their own criteria and reformulated the championship schedule to fit their needs. Maybe that's how NASCAR "fixes" the chase - they opt for scoring the season under the old PRIDE Fighting Championships rules: three judges who pick a winner based on no scoring criteria other than "they were the best".
Very close to what happened. NBC and the gerbils had determined the winner before the race was run. Of course they were at the center of this cluster puck. I wonder who's idea it was to run the win one for the gipper in the hospital story. Terrible decision.
MRM
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Any format change will not be announced this week. They'll want all the focus on the champ for a week or so.
Blaze
The Midnight Rider
Makes this system and what happened even more bull****
racer.com
RACER.com understands that the Cadillac test was meant to be a reward for the 19-year-old, widely considered to be the most outstanding prospect in NASCAR, while also serving as a milestone in his brief but accomplished sports car racing career.
But by missing out on the championship title on Saturday, RACER has learned that Zilisch does not have the required number of ACCUS (Automobile Competition Committee for the United States) license points to test the Hypercar, and has been scratched from the entry as a result.
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racer.com
RACER.com understands that the Cadillac test was meant to be a reward for the 19-year-old, widely considered to be the most outstanding prospect in NASCAR, while also serving as a milestone in his brief but accomplished sports car racing career.
But by missing out on the championship title on Saturday, RACER has learned that Zilisch does not have the required number of ACCUS (Automobile Competition Committee for the United States) license points to test the Hypercar, and has been scratched from the entry as a result.
Makes this system and what happened even more bull****
Zilisch loses WEC Hypercar test chance but still in line for IMSA run | RACER
If narrowly missing out on the 2025 NASCAR Xfinity Series Championship to Jesse Love over the weekend in heartbreaking fashion wasn't difficult enough for fans to come to grips with, the defeat means that Connor Zilisch has also lost an opportunity to test for Cadillac Hertz Team JOTA in the...
RACER.com understands that the Cadillac test was meant to be a reward for the 19-year-old, widely considered to be the most outstanding prospect in NASCAR, while also serving as a milestone in his brief but accomplished sports car racing career.
But by missing out on the championship title on Saturday, RACER has learned that Zilisch does not have the required number of ACCUS (Automobile Competition Committee for the United States) license points to test the Hypercar, and has been scratched from the entry as a result.
I think it more underpins how moronic the FIA is. What the hell do license points matter for a test anyway; not even a real race.
On a related-ish note, at the extreme other end of the spectrum- there was a driver in Cup who only had a couple late model starts before jumping full-time straight to Cup. I remember a Kyle Busch interview calling him out. I can't remember who the driver is and it's been bugging me a few days now. I want to say this is 2014-2019 or so. It was a buy-a-ride driver and I think NASCAR tightened race eligibility after that.
One I remember in Xfinity. Pastrana was pretty embarrassing. I'm with you, it's FIA's loss. One more reason they are a lower level racing series. Zilisch is a superstar.
ToyYoda
Team Owner
Every other format change wasn’t announced until January, so I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t hear anything before then.2025 seasons are over. Where in Hell is our new format announcement???
donthaveanickname
Team Owner
I remember Kyle Busch once called out Garrett Smithley but Smithley ran several full seasons in Xfinity before he made his Cup début.
Blake Jones or Quinn Houff maybe?
Yeah they probably packed their bags and have planes to catch, it's vacation time. I wouldn't doubt it.
Blaze
The Midnight Rider
It can be that also. But the stupid playoffs stop him from being seen as "good enough" like that's just the dumbest **** in the world.
Connor will be in a GTP at the Rolex. Bet on it, although you won't get long odds.
FLRacingFan
Team Owner
I think anyone who even vaguely followed the Colton Herta F1 rumors for the past several years knows the FIA licensing requirements can be frustrating. So now we have him going over to race F2 for a season, a multi-time IndyCar race winner competing against mostly teenagers in a less powerful car to fulfill the licensing requirements. Goofy but it is what it is.Makes this system and what happened even more bull****
Zilisch loses WEC Hypercar test chance but still in line for IMSA run | RACER
If narrowly missing out on the 2025 NASCAR Xfinity Series Championship to Jesse Love over the weekend in heartbreaking fashion wasn't difficult enough for fans to come to grips with, the defeat means that Connor Zilisch has also lost an opportunity to test for Cadillac Hertz Team JOTA in the...
RACER.com understands that the Cadillac test was meant to be a reward for the 19-year-old, widely considered to be the most outstanding prospect in NASCAR, while also serving as a milestone in his brief but accomplished sports car racing career.
But by missing out on the championship title on Saturday, RACER has learned that Zilisch does not have the required number of ACCUS (Automobile Competition Committee for the United States) license points to test the Hypercar, and has been scratched from the entry as a result.
Fortunately the expectation is still for Connor to be able to test for Cadillac in Daytona later this month, as IMSA obviously does not have the same requirements.
Blaze
The Midnight Rider
Definitely will watch and cheer him and his team on.
It has to do with the USA does not have a governing body over all Motorsports in our country. Most other countries do have one in their country, and they report to the FIA. All we have are sanctioning bodies here, Nascar, Indycar and so on.Makes this system and what happened even more bull****
Zilisch loses WEC Hypercar test chance but still in line for IMSA run | RACER
If narrowly missing out on the 2025 NASCAR Xfinity Series Championship to Jesse Love over the weekend in heartbreaking fashion wasn't difficult enough for fans to come to grips with, the defeat means that Connor Zilisch has also lost an opportunity to test for Cadillac Hertz Team JOTA in the...
RACER.com understands that the Cadillac test was meant to be a reward for the 19-year-old, widely considered to be the most outstanding prospect in NASCAR, while also serving as a milestone in his brief but accomplished sports car racing career.
But by missing out on the championship title on Saturday, RACER has learned that Zilisch does not have the required number of ACCUS (Automobile Competition Committee for the United States) license points to test the Hypercar, and has been scratched from the entry as a result.
donthaveanickname
Team Owner
NASCAR Ready to Move on from One-Race Championship Format | FOX Sports
NASCAR's one-race championship format isn't working, and it seems like the league is ready to make some necessary changes.
www.foxsports.com
Bob says it's certain that they will abandon the current format.
I see so many of mine and others complaints in these articles, it's uncanny sometimes. I do think they monitor the racing forums. I think they would be wise to do so if they aren't.NASCAR Ready to Move on from One-Race Championship Format | FOX Sports
NASCAR's one-race championship format isn't working, and it seems like the league is ready to make some necessary changes.
Bob says it's certain that they will abandon the current format.
O'Donnell said With so many eliminations, there has been a feeling that the top drivers weren’t getting enough attention and that the attention fell to those on the bubble in each round.
I have carped on the gerbils doing this until I was exhausted from carping about it. It at least indicates that fans are being heard.
How long has it taken them to figure this out? We have had numerous conversations about stick n ball and racing are not the same. We don't need a playoff, the whole season is.
O' Donnell said. Ultimately, fans did not gravitate to this format as they do in other sports tournaments that have a single-event champion, such as the Super Bowl, the World Cup final and the NCAA championships.
"Our fans, right or wrong, are different than other stick-and-ball sports," O’Donnell said. "That's OK. When the Giants win the Super Bowl, I'm a Giants fan — nobody questions it. Everyone says, ‘Giants are Super Bowl champions.’
"Our fans don't do that. That's been a learning process for us as well."
O' Donnell said. Ultimately, fans did not gravitate to this format as they do in other sports tournaments that have a single-event champion, such as the Super Bowl, the World Cup final and the NCAA championships.
"Our fans, right or wrong, are different than other stick-and-ball sports," O’Donnell said. "That's OK. When the Giants win the Super Bowl, I'm a Giants fan — nobody questions it. Everyone says, ‘Giants are Super Bowl champions.’
"Our fans don't do that. That's been a learning process for us as well."
Zerkfitting
Team Owner
I think consistency over a long season is more significant than wins. Winning one race doesn’t equal the consistency of a team over 26 races. The top 16 in points should be in the playoffs. Winning is important so award more points for it.
I feel sorry for the 17th place team, they have no possibility to advance their season standing but they can lose positions. The playoff teams should not get a big point bonus; when they are eliminated from the playoff they should continue to compete with the rest of the field for their final standing.
I feel sorry for the 17th place team, they have no possibility to advance their season standing but they can lose positions. The playoff teams should not get a big point bonus; when they are eliminated from the playoff they should continue to compete with the rest of the field for their final standing.
Steve, you dummy, that's because the Giants played only a select number of opponents, one at a time. Our competitors are all out there against each other, every week. That's why one-on-one team sports need playoffs, and why most motorsports don't. It's not that difficult to understand.