Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

HoneyBadger said:
Objectively false.

For reference, here’s the 1999 Homestead-Miami 400 where Dale Jarrett clinched the championship.

There’s plenty of focus on Jarrett but the coverage is much more balanced than what we get from the same network now.

And there are actually more points battles going on in this race too, because it’s more than just the final four. You have guys trying to get in the top 10 in points down the stretch.

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This feels like a dishonest comparison.

Jarrett entered this race 231 points over Labonte so there was no real championship battle by that point. Labonte needed Jarrett to massively screw up to make it close for Atlanta.

Go back to any year with a close points battle and you’ll see an emphasis on the championship fight.

Was it more balanced? Sure. But the championship was still a disproportionate focus.
 
Naitch said:
This feels like a dishonest comparison.

Jarrett entered this race 231 points over Labonte so there was no real championship battle by that point. Labonte needed Jarrett to massively screw up to make it close for Atlanta.

Go back to any year with a close points battle and you’ll see an emphasis on the championship fight.

Was it more balanced? Sure. But the championship was still a disproportionate focus.
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That being the case, good TV should be focused on field battles.
 
I know people get tired of the good old days stories. But MRN would cover what every body was doing throughout the field. They routinely provided a complete run down with the attaboys.

The advantage they had was being the only game in town. If they made a snoozer sound like a barn burner you had no reason to doubt them.
 
Naitch said:
This feels like a dishonest comparison.

Jarrett entered this race 231 points over Labonte so there was no real championship battle by that point. Labonte needed Jarrett to massively screw up to make it close for Atlanta.

Go back to any year with a close points battle and you’ll see an emphasis on the championship fight.

Was it more balanced? Sure. But the championship was still a disproportionate focus.
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Having a points battle come down to the wire like in 1992 and 2002, it was worthy of that type of disproportionate coverage.

And it still is nowhere near as bad as now. NBC didn’t even tell us who won the ****** race!
 
HoneyBadger said:
Having a points battle come down to the wire like in 1992 and 2002, it was worthy of that type of disproportionate coverage.

And it still is nowhere near as bad as now. NBC didn’t even tell us who won the ****** race!
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Were you not paying attention? I saw Ryan had won the race by looking at the TV. 😅
 
Naitch said:
Absolutely. The race is the product. Even FOX, who doesn’t have the playoffs, is bad at highlighting battles deep in the field.
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Fox does have the playoffs for the trucks. Until this year, probably because of Heim they didn't spend every other word talking about it.
Nothing like being way over the line with the Hamlin thing. That was ridiculous coverage IMO.
 
DaleJrFan2003 said:
Nobody is saying we need to return to the "Winston Cup system." Full season points =/= Winston Cup system. Also, the "hate" that system received has been greatly exaggerated.
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Yeah, fans were adamantly opposed to the changes NASCAR was making in 2003-2004. The Chase, closing The Rock, moving the Southern 500 to Fontana. All deeply unpopular.

Billy done messed up...

 
HoneyBadger said:
Yeah, fans were adamantly opposed to the changes NASCAR was making in 2003-2004. The Chase, closing The Rock, moving the Southern 500 to Fontana. All deeply unpopular.

Billy done messed up...

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That was music to my ears “there are no playoffs in the Winston Cup schedule, just a grueling 36 race schedule.” 48 hours later and no points format update. The suspense is legit stressing me out, I keep checking my phone every hour or so. When do you all think the NASCAR Honchos hammer this out and announce it ? Do you think the longer the silence the more likely a full season format will be used?
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Do you think the longer the silence the more likely a full season format will be used?
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Full season is dead. They've already announced Cup drivers won't be allowed to run Truck or O'Reilly playoff races next year. I doubt they'll go to full season for Cup while keeping playoffs for the lower series, but I'll be delighted to be proven wrong.
 
Wait, Kyle Larson didn't win the race this past weekend? I just assumed NASCAR had the finalists up in spots 1-3 (since Byron hit the wall).

(I'm not kidding. I really had no idea Kyle Larson didn't win the Phoenix race. Who did? I seriously don't know.)
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Full season is dead. They've already announced Cup drivers won't be allowed to run Truck or O'Reilly playoff races next year. I doubt they'll go to full season for Cup while keeping playoffs for the lower series, but I'll be delighted to be proven wrong.
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One must remember that this is a small family that makes decisions. What worked last week doesn't necessarily work for this one after the complete cluster of the playoffs.
Bottom line, besides seconds from tragedy in the Truck series, the other two larger series once again saw the calamity unfold.
In Cup, the driver who won with a third place finish? in more same points systems should have been the Champion anyway.
I would think the ratings will have something to do with it also.
 
I discovered last month that AAA's championship records were/are a complete mess. Some guys working there literally just started making people champion pre-WW2 based on their own criteria and reformulated the championship schedule to fit their needs. Maybe that's how NASCAR "fixes" the chase - they opt for scoring the season under the old PRIDE Fighting Championships rules: three judges who pick a winner based on no scoring criteria other than "they were the best".
 
virtualbalboa said:
I discovered last month that AAA's championship records were/are a complete mess. Some guys working there literally just started making people champion pre-WW2 based on their own criteria and reformulated the championship schedule to fit their needs. Maybe that's how NASCAR "fixes" the chase - they opt for scoring the season under the old PRIDE Fighting Championships rules: three judges who pick a winner based on no scoring criteria other than "they were the best".
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Very close to what happened. NBC and the gerbils had determined the winner before the race was run. Of course they were at the center of this cluster puck. I wonder who's idea it was to run the win one for the gipper in the hospital story. Terrible decision.
 
Any format change will not be announced this week. They'll want all the focus on the champ for a week or so.
 
Makes this system and what happened even more bull****

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If narrowly missing out on the 2025 NASCAR Xfinity Series Championship to Jesse Love over the weekend in heartbreaking fashion wasn't difficult enough for fans to come to grips with, the defeat means that Connor Zilisch has also lost an opportunity to test for Cadillac Hertz Team JOTA in the...
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RACER.com understands that the Cadillac test was meant to be a reward for the 19-year-old, widely considered to be the most outstanding prospect in NASCAR, while also serving as a milestone in his brief but accomplished sports car racing career.

But by missing out on the championship title on Saturday, RACER has learned that Zilisch does not have the required number of ACCUS (Automobile Competition Committee for the United States) license points to test the Hypercar, and has been scratched from the entry as a result.
 
Blaze said:
Makes this system and what happened even more bull****

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If narrowly missing out on the 2025 NASCAR Xfinity Series Championship to Jesse Love over the weekend in heartbreaking fashion wasn't difficult enough for fans to come to grips with, the defeat means that Connor Zilisch has also lost an opportunity to test for Cadillac Hertz Team JOTA in the...
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RACER.com understands that the Cadillac test was meant to be a reward for the 19-year-old, widely considered to be the most outstanding prospect in NASCAR, while also serving as a milestone in his brief but accomplished sports car racing career.

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I think it more underpins how moronic the FIA is. What the hell do license points matter for a test anyway; not even a real race.


On a related-ish note, at the extreme other end of the spectrum- there was a driver in Cup who only had a couple late model starts before jumping full-time straight to Cup. I remember a Kyle Busch interview calling him out. I can't remember who the driver is and it's been bugging me a few days now. I want to say this is 2014-2019 or so. It was a buy-a-ride driver and I think NASCAR tightened race eligibility after that.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
I think it more underpins how moronic the FIA is. What the hell do license points matter for a test anyway; not even a real race.


On a related-ish note, at the extreme other end of the spectrum- there was a driver in Cup who only had a couple late model starts before jumping full-time straight to Cup. I remember a Kyle Busch interview calling him out. I can't remember who the driver is and it's been bugging me a few days now. I want to say this is 2014-2019 or so. It was a buy-a-ride driver and I think NASCAR tightened race eligibility after that.
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One I remember in Xfinity. Pastrana was pretty embarrassing. I'm with you, it's FIA's loss. One more reason they are a lower level racing series. Zilisch is a superstar.
 
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